The possibility of this virus having an origin outside of China is an infinitely small number, and the epidemiological data does not support any origin outside of China. The fact that China spent such a high level of effort in Wuhan and the Huawei province to mitigate the spread of the virus, while the rest of the world was basically unaware of it, is telling.
It absolutely did not originate in the U.S. ...
Really? You sure about that?
Then how did it show up here at the same time that it showed up in China?
The fact that China identified it and alerted the world to it while it took us a year to identify those earliest cases (using stored blood samples from research studies) doesn't change anything. As in so many things, they were just better at it than us.
No, that doesn't mean that it originated here just as it doesn't mean it originated in China. it could have originated anywhere and traveled to both places - it is a very global world. The fact that China was the only one to identify it and alert the world does not, in itself, mean that it originated there.
The U.S. may be right that we need a Phase 2 to better identify where it came from -- but perhaps that phase 2 study should start in the U.S.
Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, China, reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province. A novel coronavirus was eventually identified.
1 January 2020
WHO had set up the IMST (Incident Management Support Team) across the three levels of the organization: headquarters, regional headquarters and country level, putting the organization on an emergency footing for dealing with the outbreak.
4 January 2020
WHO reported on social media that there was a cluster of pneumonia cases – with no deaths – in Wuhan, Hubei province.
5 January 2020
WHO published our first Disease Outbreak News on the new virus. This is a flagship technical publication to the scientific and public health community as well as global media. It contained a risk assessment and advice, and reported on what China had told the organization about the status of patients and the public health response on the cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan.
10 January 2020
WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries.
Based on experience with SARS and MERS and known modes of transmission of respiratory viruses, infection and prevention control guidance were published to protect health workers recommending droplet and contact precautions when caring for patients, and airborne precautions for aerosol generating procedures conducted by health workers.
12 January 2020
China publicly shared the genetic sequence of COVID-19.
13 January 2020
Officials confirm a case of COVID-19 in Thailand, the first recorded case outside of China.
14 January 2020
WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens.
First case in U.S., as originally reported by the New England Journal of Medicine on Jan 31, 2020
"On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider."
He traveled to the U.S. from Wuhan on Jan 15.
What exactly are you unable to understand about timelines?
What do not understand? The part of that timeline you leave out.
You seem unable to read the link;
"On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider.
Apart from a history of hypertriglyceridemia, the patient was an otherwise healthy nonsmoker. The physical examination revealed a body temperature of 37.2°C, blood pressure of 134/87 mm Hg, pulse of 110 beats per minute, respiratory rate of 16 breaths per minute, and oxygen saturation of 96% while the patient was breathing ambient air. Lung auscultation revealed rhonchi, and chest radiography was performed, which was reported as showing no abnormalities (Figure 1). A rapid nucleic acid amplification test (NAAT) for influenza A and B was negative. A nasopharyngeal swab specimen was obtained and sent for detection of viral respiratory pathogens by NAAT; this was reported back within 48 hours as negative for all pathogens tested, including influenza A and B, parainfluenza, respiratory syncytial virus, rhinovirus, adenovirus, and four common coronavirus strains known to cause illness in humans (HKU1, NL63, 229E, and OC43).
Given the patient’s travel history, the local and state health departments were immediately notified. Together with the urgent care clinician, the Washington Department of Health notified the CDC Emergency Operations Center. Although the patient reported that he had not spent time at the Huanan seafood market and reported no known contact with ill persons during his travel to China, CDC staff concurred with the need to test the patient for 2019-nCoV on the basis of current CDC “persons under investigation” case definitions.8 Specimens were collected in accordance with CDC guidance and included serum and nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swab specimens. After specimen collection, the patient was discharged to home isolation with active monitoring by the local health department.
On January 20, 2020, the CDC confirmed that the patient’s nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swabs tested positive for 2019-nCoV by real-time reverse-transcriptase–polymerase-chain-reaction (rRT-PCR) assay. In coordination with CDC subject-matter experts, state and local health officials, emergency medical services, and hospital leadership and staff, the patient was admitted to an airborne-isolation unit at Providence Regional Medical Center for clinical observation, with health care workers following CDC recommendations for contact, droplet, and airborne precautions with eye protection.9
It didn't take a year to diagnose that first patient, it took a single day.
How you are unable to comprehend that is beyond me.
Let me explain it to you again: the part you left out is that the first cases in the U.S. have now been identified back into December 2019 -- the same time they arose in China. And, it is likely there were other cases in other countries at the same time. There's no good way to know where this virus arose -- or even when.
Sorry if that disrupts your "China is the root of all evil" story.
The HIV virus outbreak happened in SF in the 80s. But its source is traced tback o Africa.
There wasn't an immune-deficiency disease research lab in San Francisco in the 80s that I know of.
The HIV outbreak shows that the place that happens does not necessarily be the origin.
Of course not. But if there’s lava in the street then the obvious assumption will be that it’s from the nearby volcano, and evidence is required to prove otherwise.
Of course. The truth has to be verified scientifically not politically. The world is very patient waiting for the scientists to find the origin of HIV. Nobody else is entitled to jump to conclusion before science.
The world has also been more than patient in waiting for China to comply with health investigations. The fact (see George!) that they haven't is inviting people to jump to conclusions.
The world has to wait until the pandemic is over. China is still focusing its efforts in fighting covid-19. The impatient people has other motives. China knows. Shi, the central figure in WIV just gave an interview with New York Times. Have you seen it?
Yes. But she's hardly a reliable source, she has an interest in the lab leak theory being discredited. And since China is blocking any independent investigation of the lab, it's just a single, compromised opinion.
She is a scientist. For the whole history of science, there is no scientist that make false scientific claims without being caught.
That seems very unlikely.
Tom Cotton and Pompeio has claimed virus is from the lab a year ago. Also nation security advisor and defense department. Have they ever relayed any convincing evidence? So the world does not need to investigate further? They don't. So these are just speculation and accusation. Why the world allow speculation and accusation to spread?
Absolutely no one, zero people, have said that there is no need to investigate further. Oh, apart from GeorgeBMac the PRC's fan club president, who doesn't think there is any point, we should just believe China.
What I said is Tom Cotton and Pompeio already said they have ample 'evidence'. Why don't we first start the investigation from these two people. They HAD ample evidence.
Obviously I put the same or less stock in the opinions of Trump sycophants than I do in the PRC's propaganda machine. Neither of them are significant.
Thank God! They are no longer in office. Although they still have supporters as long as they have no political power they cannot do any more harm to American people.
Don't bet on that.
They are playing the long game. None of them went away.
Can they do more harm? Yeh, gullible fish like Crowley are doing their work for them -- propagating their lies.
Grow up again. I have never said the case is settled, all I have ever said is that there is a likely hypothesis, and that needs to be fully investigated in an apolitical and independent way. I'd rather the investigation was done by European or otherwise neutral scientists, to avoid this USA-China bickering.
LOL... Quite the opposite: You have been a megaphone for Trumpian lies and propaganda.
The only part not clear is whether you have been an unwitting fool or an intentional soldier in his web of lies.
I cite my sources. I tel you where I get my information. I’m very clear about what I believe and what I consider facts, and who I believe and who I consider with scepticism. I don’t dabble in inclarity.
Tell me a single information source you use George. Educate me.
Spin is still spin. Lies are still lies and propaganda is still propaganda - no matter how you rationalize it.
You are a megaphone for Trumpian lies and propaganda -- except even Trump has mostly moved from the bullshit you spout.
Still no source. Not credible.
Said the guy spouting Trumpian lies, bullshit and propaganda.
Ranting and attacking opponents with no research or understanding seems to be far more Trumpian to me. If you're not going to explain the thought behind your theories or indicate where your information is coming from then you simply aren't a credible person on the subject. Or any subject.
Have you read the Nine Commentaries? Do you know the history of the CCP? If you do, then you'd know that coverup is in their nature. Propaganda and diversion is in. their nature. And it has been since well before 2016. Sure, you can accuse Donald Trump of that too, but Donald Trump is not in power any more, and was in power for a fraction of the time that the CCP have been. I don't think you truly realise that yet, as you keep coming back to him. It's some sort of PTSD-induced obsession or something.
You'd be best to move on from Trump George. He's not the problem any more and you can't blame everything on him. And he wasn't totally wrong on everything.
Your accusations of CCP is the norm of politics. The truth of the fact is if you interchange CCP with US government most accusations are still valid. lol
Maybe, though the US hasn't had anything nearly as traumatic as the Cultural Revolution, Great Leap Forward, Tianeman Square, or the Uyghur incarcerations in living memory. And in any case "they do it too" is a playground defence.
I'm not here to defend the USA, it isn't my country.
US has really used slaves. Uyghur incarceration is only rhetoric.
If there was slavery in the USA today then I'd be joining the chorus of people speaking out about it, but there isn't. Attacking another country in defence of your own is a poor argument of distraction.
The possibility of this virus having an origin outside of China is an infinitely small number, and the epidemiological data does not support any origin outside of China. The fact that China spent such a high level of effort in Wuhan and the Huawei province to mitigate the spread of the virus, while the rest of the world was basically unaware of it, is telling.
It absolutely did not originate in the U.S. ...
Really? You sure about that?
Then how did it show up here at the same time that it showed up in China?
The fact that China identified it and alerted the world to it while it took us a year to identify those earliest cases (using stored blood samples from research studies) doesn't change anything. As in so many things, they were just better at it than us.
No, that doesn't mean that it originated here just as it doesn't mean it originated in China. it could have originated anywhere and traveled to both places - it is a very global world. The fact that China was the only one to identify it and alert the world does not, in itself, mean that it originated there.
The U.S. may be right that we need a Phase 2 to better identify where it came from -- but perhaps that phase 2 study should start in the U.S.
Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, China, reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province. A novel coronavirus was eventually identified.
1 January 2020
WHO had set up the IMST (Incident Management Support Team) across the three levels of the organization: headquarters, regional headquarters and country level, putting the organization on an emergency footing for dealing with the outbreak.
4 January 2020
WHO reported on social media that there was a cluster of pneumonia cases – with no deaths – in Wuhan, Hubei province.
5 January 2020
WHO published our first Disease Outbreak News on the new virus. This is a flagship technical publication to the scientific and public health community as well as global media. It contained a risk assessment and advice, and reported on what China had told the organization about the status of patients and the public health response on the cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan.
10 January 2020
WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries.
Based on experience with SARS and MERS and known modes of transmission of respiratory viruses, infection and prevention control guidance were published to protect health workers recommending droplet and contact precautions when caring for patients, and airborne precautions for aerosol generating procedures conducted by health workers.
12 January 2020
China publicly shared the genetic sequence of COVID-19.
13 January 2020
Officials confirm a case of COVID-19 in Thailand, the first recorded case outside of China.
14 January 2020
WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens.
First case in U.S., as originally reported by the New England Journal of Medicine on Jan 31, 2020
"On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider."
He traveled to the U.S. from Wuhan on Jan 15.
What exactly are you unable to understand about timelines?
What do not understand? The part of that timeline you leave out.
You seem unable to read the link;
"On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider.
Apart from a history of hypertriglyceridemia, the patient was an otherwise healthy nonsmoker. The physical examination revealed a body temperature of 37.2°C, blood pressure of 134/87 mm Hg, pulse of 110 beats per minute, respiratory rate of 16 breaths per minute, and oxygen saturation of 96% while the patient was breathing ambient air. Lung auscultation revealed rhonchi, and chest radiography was performed, which was reported as showing no abnormalities (Figure 1). A rapid nucleic acid amplification test (NAAT) for influenza A and B was negative. A nasopharyngeal swab specimen was obtained and sent for detection of viral respiratory pathogens by NAAT; this was reported back within 48 hours as negative for all pathogens tested, including influenza A and B, parainfluenza, respiratory syncytial virus, rhinovirus, adenovirus, and four common coronavirus strains known to cause illness in humans (HKU1, NL63, 229E, and OC43).
Given the patient’s travel history, the local and state health departments were immediately notified. Together with the urgent care clinician, the Washington Department of Health notified the CDC Emergency Operations Center. Although the patient reported that he had not spent time at the Huanan seafood market and reported no known contact with ill persons during his travel to China, CDC staff concurred with the need to test the patient for 2019-nCoV on the basis of current CDC “persons under investigation” case definitions.8 Specimens were collected in accordance with CDC guidance and included serum and nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swab specimens. After specimen collection, the patient was discharged to home isolation with active monitoring by the local health department.
On January 20, 2020, the CDC confirmed that the patient’s nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swabs tested positive for 2019-nCoV by real-time reverse-transcriptase–polymerase-chain-reaction (rRT-PCR) assay. In coordination with CDC subject-matter experts, state and local health officials, emergency medical services, and hospital leadership and staff, the patient was admitted to an airborne-isolation unit at Providence Regional Medical Center for clinical observation, with health care workers following CDC recommendations for contact, droplet, and airborne precautions with eye protection.9
It didn't take a year to diagnose that first patient, it took a single day.
How you are unable to comprehend that is beyond me.
Let me explain it to you again: the part you left out is that the first cases in the U.S. have now been identified back into December 2019 -- the same time they arose in China. And, it is likely there were other cases in other countries at the same time. There's no good way to know where this virus arose -- or even when.
Sorry if that disrupts your "China is the root of all evil" story.
The HIV virus outbreak happened in SF in the 80s. But its source is traced tback o Africa.
There wasn't an immune-deficiency disease research lab in San Francisco in the 80s that I know of.
The HIV outbreak shows that the place that happens does not necessarily be the origin.
Of course not. But if there’s lava in the street then the obvious assumption will be that it’s from the nearby volcano, and evidence is required to prove otherwise.
Of course. The truth has to be verified scientifically not politically. The world is very patient waiting for the scientists to find the origin of HIV. Nobody else is entitled to jump to conclusion before science.
The world has also been more than patient in waiting for China to comply with health investigations. The fact (see George!) that they haven't is inviting people to jump to conclusions.
The world has to wait until the pandemic is over. China is still focusing its efforts in fighting covid-19. The impatient people has other motives. China knows. Shi, the central figure in WIV just gave an interview with New York Times. Have you seen it?
Yes. But she's hardly a reliable source, she has an interest in the lab leak theory being discredited. And since China is blocking any independent investigation of the lab, it's just a single, compromised opinion.
She is a scientist. For the whole history of science, there is no scientist that make false scientific claims without being caught.
That seems very unlikely.
Tom Cotton and Pompeio has claimed virus is from the lab a year ago. Also nation security advisor and defense department. Have they ever relayed any convincing evidence? So the world does not need to investigate further? They don't. So these are just speculation and accusation. Why the world allow speculation and accusation to spread?
Absolutely no one, zero people, have said that there is no need to investigate further. Oh, apart from GeorgeBMac the PRC's fan club president, who doesn't think there is any point, we should just believe China.
What I said is Tom Cotton and Pompeio already said they have ample 'evidence'. Why don't we first start the investigation from these two people. They HAD ample evidence.
Obviously I put the same or less stock in the opinions of Trump sycophants than I do in the PRC's propaganda machine. Neither of them are significant.
Thank God! They are no longer in office. Although they still have supporters as long as they have no political power they cannot do any more harm to American people.
Don't bet on that.
They are playing the long game. None of them went away.
Can they do more harm? Yeh, gullible fish like Crowley are doing their work for them -- propagating their lies.
Grow up again. I have never said the case is settled, all I have ever said is that there is a likely hypothesis, and that needs to be fully investigated in an apolitical and independent way. I'd rather the investigation was done by European or otherwise neutral scientists, to avoid this USA-China bickering.
LOL... Quite the opposite: You have been a megaphone for Trumpian lies and propaganda.
The only part not clear is whether you have been an unwitting fool or an intentional soldier in his web of lies.
I cite my sources. I tel you where I get my information. I’m very clear about what I believe and what I consider facts, and who I believe and who I consider with scepticism. I don’t dabble in inclarity.
Tell me a single information source you use George. Educate me.
Spin is still spin. Lies are still lies and propaganda is still propaganda - no matter how you rationalize it.
You are a megaphone for Trumpian lies and propaganda -- except even Trump has mostly moved from the bullshit you spout.
Still no source. Not credible.
Said the guy spouting Trumpian lies, bullshit and propaganda.
Ranting and attacking opponents with no research or understanding seems to be far more Trumpian to me. If you're not going to explain the thought behind your theories or indicate where your information is coming from then you simply aren't a credible person on the subject. Or any subject.
Have you read the Nine Commentaries? Do you know the history of the CCP? If you do, then you'd know that coverup is in their nature. Propaganda and diversion is in. their nature. And it has been since well before 2016. Sure, you can accuse Donald Trump of that too, but Donald Trump is not in power any more, and was in power for a fraction of the time that the CCP have been. I don't think you truly realise that yet, as you keep coming back to him. It's some sort of PTSD-induced obsession or something.
You'd be best to move on from Trump George. He's not the problem any more and you can't blame everything on him. And he wasn't totally wrong on everything.
Your accusations of CCP is the norm of politics. The truth of the fact is if you interchange CCP with US government most accusations are still valid. lol
Maybe, though the US hasn't had anything nearly as traumatic as the Cultural Revolution, Great Leap Forward, Tianeman Square, or the Uyghur incarcerations in living memory. And in any case "they do it too" is a playground defence.
I'm not here to defend the USA, it isn't my country.
US has really used slaves. Uyghur incarceration is only rhetoric.
If there was slavery in the USA today then I'd be joining the chorus of people speaking out about it, but there isn't. Attacking another country in defence of your own is a poor argument of distraction.
China has been attacked by haters for several hundred years and the attacks has never stopped.
The possibility of this virus having an origin outside of China is an infinitely small number, and the epidemiological data does not support any origin outside of China. The fact that China spent such a high level of effort in Wuhan and the Huawei province to mitigate the spread of the virus, while the rest of the world was basically unaware of it, is telling.
It absolutely did not originate in the U.S. ...
Really? You sure about that?
Then how did it show up here at the same time that it showed up in China?
The fact that China identified it and alerted the world to it while it took us a year to identify those earliest cases (using stored blood samples from research studies) doesn't change anything. As in so many things, they were just better at it than us.
No, that doesn't mean that it originated here just as it doesn't mean it originated in China. it could have originated anywhere and traveled to both places - it is a very global world. The fact that China was the only one to identify it and alert the world does not, in itself, mean that it originated there.
The U.S. may be right that we need a Phase 2 to better identify where it came from -- but perhaps that phase 2 study should start in the U.S.
Wuhan Municipal Health Commission, China, reported a cluster of cases of pneumonia in Wuhan, Hubei Province. A novel coronavirus was eventually identified.
1 January 2020
WHO had set up the IMST (Incident Management Support Team) across the three levels of the organization: headquarters, regional headquarters and country level, putting the organization on an emergency footing for dealing with the outbreak.
4 January 2020
WHO reported on social media that there was a cluster of pneumonia cases – with no deaths – in Wuhan, Hubei province.
5 January 2020
WHO published our first Disease Outbreak News on the new virus. This is a flagship technical publication to the scientific and public health community as well as global media. It contained a risk assessment and advice, and reported on what China had told the organization about the status of patients and the public health response on the cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan.
10 January 2020
WHO issued a comprehensive package of technical guidance online with advice to all countries on how to detect, test and manage potential cases, based on what was known about the virus at the time. This guidance was shared with WHO's regional emergency directors to share with WHO representatives in countries.
Based on experience with SARS and MERS and known modes of transmission of respiratory viruses, infection and prevention control guidance were published to protect health workers recommending droplet and contact precautions when caring for patients, and airborne precautions for aerosol generating procedures conducted by health workers.
12 January 2020
China publicly shared the genetic sequence of COVID-19.
13 January 2020
Officials confirm a case of COVID-19 in Thailand, the first recorded case outside of China.
14 January 2020
WHO's technical lead for the response noted in a press briefing there may have been limited human-to-human transmission of the coronavirus (in the 41 confirmed cases), mainly through family members, and that there was a risk of a possible wider outbreak. The lead also said that human-to-human transmission would not be surprising given our experience with SARS, MERS and other respiratory pathogens.
First case in U.S., as originally reported by the New England Journal of Medicine on Jan 31, 2020
"On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider."
He traveled to the U.S. from Wuhan on Jan 15.
What exactly are you unable to understand about timelines?
What do not understand? The part of that timeline you leave out.
You seem unable to read the link;
"On January 19, 2020, a 35-year-old man presented to an urgent care clinic in Snohomish County, Washington, with a 4-day history of cough and subjective fever. On checking into the clinic, the patient put on a mask in the waiting room. After waiting approximately 20 minutes, he was taken into an examination room and underwent evaluation by a provider. He disclosed that he had returned to Washington State on January 15 after traveling to visit family in Wuhan, China. The patient stated that he had seen a health alert from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) about the novel coronavirus outbreak in China and, because of his symptoms and recent travel, decided to see a health care provider.
Apart from a history of hypertriglyceridemia, the patient was an otherwise healthy nonsmoker. The physical examination revealed a body temperature of 37.2°C, blood pressure of 134/87 mm Hg, pulse of 110 beats per minute, respiratory rate of 16 breaths per minute, and oxygen saturation of 96% while the patient was breathing ambient air. Lung auscultation revealed rhonchi, and chest radiography was performed, which was reported as showing no abnormalities (Figure 1). A rapid nucleic acid amplification test (NAAT) for influenza A and B was negative. A nasopharyngeal swab specimen was obtained and sent for detection of viral respiratory pathogens by NAAT; this was reported back within 48 hours as negative for all pathogens tested, including influenza A and B, parainfluenza, respiratory syncytial virus, rhinovirus, adenovirus, and four common coronavirus strains known to cause illness in humans (HKU1, NL63, 229E, and OC43).
Given the patient’s travel history, the local and state health departments were immediately notified. Together with the urgent care clinician, the Washington Department of Health notified the CDC Emergency Operations Center. Although the patient reported that he had not spent time at the Huanan seafood market and reported no known contact with ill persons during his travel to China, CDC staff concurred with the need to test the patient for 2019-nCoV on the basis of current CDC “persons under investigation” case definitions.8 Specimens were collected in accordance with CDC guidance and included serum and nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swab specimens. After specimen collection, the patient was discharged to home isolation with active monitoring by the local health department.
On January 20, 2020, the CDC confirmed that the patient’s nasopharyngeal and oropharyngeal swabs tested positive for 2019-nCoV by real-time reverse-transcriptase–polymerase-chain-reaction (rRT-PCR) assay. In coordination with CDC subject-matter experts, state and local health officials, emergency medical services, and hospital leadership and staff, the patient was admitted to an airborne-isolation unit at Providence Regional Medical Center for clinical observation, with health care workers following CDC recommendations for contact, droplet, and airborne precautions with eye protection.9
It didn't take a year to diagnose that first patient, it took a single day.
How you are unable to comprehend that is beyond me.
Let me explain it to you again: the part you left out is that the first cases in the U.S. have now been identified back into December 2019 -- the same time they arose in China. And, it is likely there were other cases in other countries at the same time. There's no good way to know where this virus arose -- or even when.
Sorry if that disrupts your "China is the root of all evil" story.
The HIV virus outbreak happened in SF in the 80s. But its source is traced tback o Africa.
There wasn't an immune-deficiency disease research lab in San Francisco in the 80s that I know of.
The HIV outbreak shows that the place that happens does not necessarily be the origin.
Of course not. But if there’s lava in the street then the obvious assumption will be that it’s from the nearby volcano, and evidence is required to prove otherwise.
Of course. The truth has to be verified scientifically not politically. The world is very patient waiting for the scientists to find the origin of HIV. Nobody else is entitled to jump to conclusion before science.
The world has also been more than patient in waiting for China to comply with health investigations. The fact (see George!) that they haven't is inviting people to jump to conclusions.
The world has to wait until the pandemic is over. China is still focusing its efforts in fighting covid-19. The impatient people has other motives. China knows. Shi, the central figure in WIV just gave an interview with New York Times. Have you seen it?
Yes. But she's hardly a reliable source, she has an interest in the lab leak theory being discredited. And since China is blocking any independent investigation of the lab, it's just a single, compromised opinion.
She is a scientist. For the whole history of science, there is no scientist that make false scientific claims without being caught.
That seems very unlikely.
Tom Cotton and Pompeio has claimed virus is from the lab a year ago. Also nation security advisor and defense department. Have they ever relayed any convincing evidence? So the world does not need to investigate further? They don't. So these are just speculation and accusation. Why the world allow speculation and accusation to spread?
Absolutely no one, zero people, have said that there is no need to investigate further. Oh, apart from GeorgeBMac the PRC's fan club president, who doesn't think there is any point, we should just believe China.
What I said is Tom Cotton and Pompeio already said they have ample 'evidence'. Why don't we first start the investigation from these two people. They HAD ample evidence.
Obviously I put the same or less stock in the opinions of Trump sycophants than I do in the PRC's propaganda machine. Neither of them are significant.
Thank God! They are no longer in office. Although they still have supporters as long as they have no political power they cannot do any more harm to American people.
Don't bet on that.
They are playing the long game. None of them went away.
Can they do more harm? Yeh, gullible fish like Crowley are doing their work for them -- propagating their lies.
Grow up again. I have never said the case is settled, all I have ever said is that there is a likely hypothesis, and that needs to be fully investigated in an apolitical and independent way. I'd rather the investigation was done by European or otherwise neutral scientists, to avoid this USA-China bickering.
LOL... Quite the opposite: You have been a megaphone for Trumpian lies and propaganda.
The only part not clear is whether you have been an unwitting fool or an intentional soldier in his web of lies.
I cite my sources. I tel you where I get my information. I’m very clear about what I believe and what I consider facts, and who I believe and who I consider with scepticism. I don’t dabble in inclarity.
Tell me a single information source you use George. Educate me.
Spin is still spin. Lies are still lies and propaganda is still propaganda - no matter how you rationalize it.
You are a megaphone for Trumpian lies and propaganda -- except even Trump has mostly moved from the bullshit you spout.
Still no source. Not credible.
Said the guy spouting Trumpian lies, bullshit and propaganda.
Ranting and attacking opponents with no research or understanding seems to be far more Trumpian to me. If you're not going to explain the thought behind your theories or indicate where your information is coming from then you simply aren't a credible person on the subject. Or any subject.
Have you read the Nine Commentaries? Do you know the history of the CCP? If you do, then you'd know that coverup is in their nature. Propaganda and diversion is in. their nature. And it has been since well before 2016. Sure, you can accuse Donald Trump of that too, but Donald Trump is not in power any more, and was in power for a fraction of the time that the CCP have been. I don't think you truly realise that yet, as you keep coming back to him. It's some sort of PTSD-induced obsession or something.
You'd be best to move on from Trump George. He's not the problem any more and you can't blame everything on him. And he wasn't totally wrong on everything.
Your accusations of CCP is the norm of politics. The truth of the fact is if you interchange CCP with US government most accusations are still valid. lol
Maybe, though the US hasn't had anything nearly as traumatic as the Cultural Revolution, Great Leap Forward, Tianeman Square, or the Uyghur incarcerations in living memory. And in any case "they do it too" is a playground defence.
I'm not here to defend the USA, it isn't my country.
US has really used slaves. Uyghur incarceration is only rhetoric.
If there was slavery in the USA today then I'd be joining the chorus of people speaking out about it, but there isn't. Attacking another country in defence of your own is a poor argument of distraction.
China has been attacked by haters for several hundred years and the attacks has never stopped.
This isn't Taylor Swift's twitter. "Haters" ffs. Grow up.
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