Hands on: Everything new with CarPlay in iOS 16

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• Reply 1 of 19

  gregoriusm Posts: 513member

  June 10, 2022 7:36PM

  “ RPMs”
  
  

  Aaaaah!!!

  
• Reply 2 of 19

  MplsP Posts: 3,925member

  June 10, 2022 11:09PM

  AppleInsider said:

  
  This is a huge departure and is what is most likely to give automakers pause. By ceding the entirety of the vehicle to CarPlay, they don't get to highlight their systems.
  
  

  It’s not the inability to ‘highlight their systems’ that will give the carmakers pause. How many carmakers view their heater controls as a source of pride or brand identity? What will give them pause is the fact that instead of being a simple extension of the display CarPlay will now be able to directly control some of the cars systems. That’s a huge change both in terms of functionality and in terms of access and security. 

  
• Reply 3 of 19

  CheeseFreeze Posts: 1,249member

  June 10, 2022 11:33PM

  MplsP said:

  AppleInsider said:

  
  This is a huge departure and is what is most likely to give automakers pause. By ceding the entirety of the vehicle to CarPlay, they don't get to highlight their systems.
  
  

  It’s not the inability to ‘highlight their systems’ that will give the carmakers pause. How many carmakers view their heater controls as a source of pride or brand identity? What will give them pause is the fact that instead of being a simple extension of the display CarPlay will now be able to directly control some of the cars systems. That’s a huge change both in terms of functionality and in terms of access and security. 

  Many carmakers do. And in fact, as a consumer, one of the main things I look at when buying a new car is dashboard ergonomics, usability and functionality.
  Unlike the old days, all cars look alike. All the parts are made in the same type of factory. 
  The same car shapes, the same boring colors. They all have become uniform, dull, set aside the occasional exception. Each brand has the same set of user segments they sell to. They compete but whatever you choose, within any given price range, you’ll be fine. 
  

  Left to differentiate with is the ‘inside’ of the car. Until that gets taken over by a tech company like Apple, who are much better at it vs car companies who design looking back 10-years.   

  
• Reply 4 of 19

  wood1208 Posts: 2,913member

  June 11, 2022 4:04AM

  One thing I always wanted in MAP App is easy creation of multi-stop customized(drag around) route on your desktop map and send it to phone. The phone/carplay map should follow that exact route.
  

  Article says Apple is updating routes can be created on your Mac with macOS Ventura before being sent to your iPhone. Question is people using Windows and iPhone, how will it work for them ?
  

  Another important iPhone Map function needed is ability to drag route to create your own customized route like we can do on desktop version of Map.
  

  
  

  edited June 2022
• Reply 5 of 19

  entropys Posts: 4,166member

  June 11, 2022 4:31AM

  I would hope you could do it in a browser for windows machines.

  
• Reply 6 of 19

  StrangeDays Posts: 12,877member

  June 11, 2022 5:00AM

  CheeseFreeze said:

  MplsP said:

  AppleInsider said:

  
  This is a huge departure and is what is most likely to give automakers pause. By ceding the entirety of the vehicle to CarPlay, they don't get to highlight their systems.
  

  It’s not the inability to ‘highlight their systems’ that will give the carmakers pause. How many carmakers view their heater controls as a source of pride or brand identity? What will give them pause is the fact that instead of being a simple extension of the display CarPlay will now be able to directly control some of the cars systems. That’s a huge change both in terms of functionality and in terms of access and security. 

  Many carmakers do. And in fact, as a consumer, one of the main things I look at when buying a new car is dashboard ergonomics, usability and functionality.
  Unlike the old days, all cars look alike. All the parts are made in the same type of factory. 
  The same car shapes, the same boring colors. They all have become uniform, dull, set aside the occasional exception. Each brand has the same set of user segments they sell to. They compete but whatever you choose, within any given price range, you’ll be fine. 
  

  Left to differentiate with is the ‘inside’ of the car. Until that gets taken over by a tech company like Apple, who are much better at it vs car companies who design looking back 10-years.   

  No, the reason cars look similar is due to streamlining for fuel efficiency - random shapes & fins don’t work as well as shapes with less drag. Which still doesn’t mean they all look exactly the same, of course. A Porsche, Subaru, Ford, all have their own look. 
  

  
• Reply 7 of 19

  StrangeDays Posts: 12,877member

  June 11, 2022 5:03AM

  entropys said:

  I would hope you could do it in a browser for windows machines.

  I would be willing to bet my phone they are not going to develop a web tool for Windows users to plan multi-stop routes to send to their iPhone. I believe you’ll be able to plan stops just fine from the device itself; the sending from a desktop Mac is just a value-add for those in the walled garden. 

  
• Reply 8 of 19

  rob53 Posts: 3,251member

  June 11, 2022 3:00PM

  MplsP said:

  AppleInsider said:

  
  This is a huge departure and is what is most likely to give automakers pause. By ceding the entirety of the vehicle to CarPlay, they don't get to highlight their systems.
  
  

  It’s not the inability to ‘highlight their systems’ that will give the carmakers pause. How many carmakers view their heater controls as a source of pride or brand identity? What will give them pause is the fact that instead of being a simple extension of the display CarPlay will now be able to directly control some of the cars systems. That’s a huge change both in terms of functionality and in terms of access and security. 

  How many cars, other than Tesla, use electronically/computer controlled car functions (like heater controls) instead of mechanical/electronic controls? Yes, you can press a button on your dash to turn on your heater but how much of that is controlled by the car's computer? The ODB port allows a lot of diagnostic access, including engine speed, RPM, calculated MPG (if you set the fuel tank size properly), along with TPMS values and a host of other, primarily, engine-related status features. I can display some of these on my Alpine deck so CarPlay should be able to access those if the car manufacturer allows access to them with their manufacturer-unique CarPlay interface (in other words, access to the ODB port. I presume Apple wants more than just simple ODB access, like on my Alpine deck, but I don't believe Apple is attempting to provide an entire vehicle operational connection. Of course, most non-EVs don't have many things to really control. CarPlay already extends the car's features, providing better access to music and car directions than the garbage most car manufacturers put into their current systems. I'm already paying for cellular data, I really don't want to also have to pay for a car cellular data plan. The only good way CarPlay can be integrated into new vehicles is for the manufacturer to make a major change in how everything electronic works in their car while also trying to get the manufacturer to get rid of the majority of their push buttons and dials. That said, my Alpine iLX107 continues to drop connection with my iPhone and the only way to get it back is to stop my truck, turn if off to turn all power to the Alpine deck off, then turn my truck back on. Sooner or later, I'm going to add another pushbutton to my truck to intercept the power going to the Alpine deck so I don't have to stop. My connection is via WiFi and I've seen it drop while going past the same location, making me wonder if there's a business or the police blocking all WiFi signals. This "feature" of my Alpine deck using CarPlay worries my greatly about using an external device or even a combination internal and external device to operate my truck. Tesla controls everything so nothing is left to an external device. Unless the new CarPlay is an embedded device that doesn't actually require an iOS device to function, I don't see it passing NHTSA regulations. If we read the fine print, the new version of CarPlay isn't going to be ready for at least a few years.

  
• Reply 9 of 19

  linguist Posts: 11member

  June 11, 2022 5:18PM

  I'm amazed at the amount of hype for the supposedly new and revolutionary features that may be coming to CarPlay in the future. My new Volvo XC40 Recharge EV already has most of this, running on the Android Automotive Operating System (not quite the same as Android Auto): voice control of climate controls, navigation system, seat position, some driving functions ("Hey Google! Turn on one pedal drive!"), infotainment system, reading text messages on my iPhone, etc. The possibility of setting up a route in Google Maps on my desktop and transferring it to the car is promised for a future version of Volvo Cars (their iOS app). Since I prefer Google Maps to Apple Maps (and accessed via Google Assistant in the car, it's really very smart), that's quite enough in that area.
  
  I will yield to no one in my long time enthusiasm for Apple's ecosystem, but I don't see the future functionality of CarPlay as something I need to hold my breath for. I was sorry Volvo didn't have CarPlay when I bought the car --- the current version is supposed to arrive via an automatic over-the-air update by the end of this month (it was scheduled earlier, but pulled for engineers to fix some bugs in their implementation). But now I don't really see a lot to look forward to there, apart from a couple of apps that (I think) work in CarPlay but haven't yet been ported to AAOS. Apple's new stuff may well be very nice, when it (together with cars that run it) finally arrives, but it will be largely a matter of catching up, and I'm not holding my breath.
• Reply 10 of 19

  tmonline Posts: 10member

  June 11, 2022 7:41PM

  Retrofitting Car play in existing space 8inches or less will not work for a touch screens. Utter loss of usability. For an iPad environment, again that is a must for a good experience, a good size touch screen is required. 
  
  

  Trying to retrofit with all the buttons for everything is just adding clutter.
  
  Possible automakers trying to compete with Tesla and apple making good usable software for them. Something has to give. 

  
• Reply 11 of 19

  welshdog Posts: 1,897member

  June 11, 2022 10:29PM

  MplsP said:

  AppleInsider said:

  
  This is a huge departure and is what is most likely to give automakers pause. By ceding the entirety of the vehicle to CarPlay, they don't get to highlight their systems.
  
  

  It’s not the inability to ‘highlight their systems’ that will give the carmakers pause. How many carmakers view their heater controls as a source of pride or brand identity? What will give them pause is the fact that instead of being a simple extension of the display CarPlay will now be able to directly control some of the cars systems. That’s a huge change both in terms of functionality and in terms of access and security. 

  
  It could be an issue for some carmakers, but others will see it as a way to co-brand with Apple. They'll promote the CarPlay features in their marketing as a way to entice a subset of potential car buyers. it certainly would be somewhat of an enticement for me, just as cars with Android Auto are a negative. My wife and I have an interest the new Volvo C40 Recharge models. I learned they run on the Android Auto and that annoys me. The car does list Carplay compatibility as a feature, but I figure it is limited within the overall Android OS of the car. Perhaps a couple years from now Volvo (and others) will offer full Android Auto or full expanded CarPlay as an option when you buy.
  

  
• Reply 12 of 19

  wood1208 Posts: 2,913member

  June 11, 2022 10:30PM

  Apple's next generation of CarPlay is coming in late 2023 —  which cars will support the update -
  Acura,Audi,Ford,Honda,Infiniti,Jaguar,Land Rover,Lincoln,Mercedes,Nissan,Polestar (new addition),Porsche,Renault,Volvo.
  

  
  

  Toyota,Hyundai,etc not on list. Is Toyota again going to drag it's feet to support next gen CarPlay ? Toyota/Lexus was the last to support CarPlay and only happened because millions of Toyota customers complained and went to Honda and others to buy there next new car with CarPlay..
  

  
  

  edited June 2022
• Reply 13 of 19

  eriamjh Posts: 1,642member

  June 12, 2022 12:29AM

  CarPlay features are likely coming out of the delayed Apple Car program.   

  
  

  It exists, but it’s hitting many speed bumps.  

  
• Reply 14 of 19

  imgmkr Posts: 16member

  June 12, 2022 9:08AM

  lately some auto-makers' display/dash designs are looking better than Car Play screen. 

  my '21 Kia Sorrento's infotainment display is par with looking feel of CP. I rarely use CP these days.

  Apple needs to step up their's and some, eh!

   

  
• Reply 15 of 19

  wood1208 Posts: 2,913member

  June 12, 2022 1:38PM

  imgmkr said:

  lately some auto-makers' display/dash designs are looking better than Car Play screen. 

  my '21 Kia Sorrento's infotainment display is par with looking feel of CP. I rarely use CP these days.

  Apple needs to step up their's and some, eh!

   

  
  The problem with car manufacturer's own dash/infotainment system once in place; never get updated. On contrary, Apple Play(or android) on your phone can be updated constantly giving you more features for years in future after the car is bought. MAP/Navigation in vehicle is one good example where auto manufacturers miserably failed to keep updating installed navigation system so unfortunately people paid for but never used it because always lacking updates. Instead people start using CarPlay and it was blessing,
  

  
• Reply 16 of 19

  linguist Posts: 11member

  June 12, 2022 3:46PM

  welshdog said:

  It could be an issue for some carmakers, but others will see it as a way to co-brand with Apple. They'll promote the CarPlay features in their marketing as a way to entice a subset of potential car buyers. it certainly would be somewhat of an enticement for me, just as cars with Android Auto are a negative. My wife and I have an interest the new Volvo C40 Recharge models. I learned they run on the Android Auto and that annoys me. The car does list Carplay compatibility as a feature, but I figure it is limited within the overall Android OS of the car. Perhaps a couple years from now Volvo (and others) will offer full Android Auto or full expanded CarPlay as an option when you buy.
  

  In considering the Volvo XC40 Recharge EV, I was also unhappy about the Android aspect, and looking forward to the promised CarPlay. CarPlay hasn't materialized yet, though there's good reason to expect the current version soon, but I'm surprised at how well the Android system works in the car. Remember, this is a car, not a desktop ... the things you want the system to do in a car are quite well covered. There are a few apps I wish I had (I'd like Audible, and some are surprised that there's no Waze for Android Automative Operating System), but no big problem (I can run Audible on my iPhone and listen on the car's audio system via bluetooth). There are some problems, but these tend to be matters of connectivity or a need to restart things, stuff that I can assure you Apple will face to the same extent when they get their corresponding system up. I would urge you to test drive the Volvo and see how it works. 

  
• Reply 17 of 19

  tundraboy Posts: 1,885member

  June 12, 2022 9:42PM

  Some dashboard meters/displays are considered to be safety-critical items by the DOT.  At least that was the case a few years ago when BMW had to fix the dash readout on my car for free because the DOT deemed it showed safety-critical info and thus was required to have a longer warranty coverage.
  
  If CarPlay takes over the dash display, I wonder who takes on that liability, Apple or the car company?  Who pays if a dashboard malfunction leads to an accident? 

  
• Reply 18 of 19

  StrangeDays Posts: 12,877member

  June 13, 2022 7:34PM

  imgmkr said:

  lately some auto-makers' display/dash designs are looking better than Car Play screen. 

  my '21 Kia Sorrento's infotainment display is par with looking feel of CP. I rarely use CP these days.

  Apple needs to step up their's and some, eh!

  Is it better than the ‘19 Kia Sorento? Cuz that ain’t special.

  
• Reply 19 of 19

  pjm Posts: 2member

  August 25, 2022 4:17PM

  I’d like to see maps and weather integrated so that you could see weather along a route or storms coming in ahead. Ideally, you might be able to avoid bad weather by changing your departure time, just like you can adjust for traffic.