Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
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Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
Sorry for the rant.
Don't apologise for the rant. It's refreshing to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about, and equally importantly, sticks to the facts. Best post I've read here for a good while....
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
... ...
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
Sorry for the rant.
Don't apologise for the rant. It's refreshing to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about, and equally importantly, sticks to the facts. Best post I've read here for a good while....
China’s continuing aggression and warnings of conflict if the U.S. doesn’t “change course”, along with the possibility of sending lethal arms aid to the Russians in Ukraine is spooking the world. It’s amazing that Xi is willing to risk China’s economic future. Europe played footsies with Russia for decades thinking being nice and playing ball would keep the Russian Bear satisfied. Then Putin showed up. Now Xi has designs on the East. You have two cultures that have never experienced democracy and have always been ruled by emperors or dictators. What did you expect?
After WWII the world had Pax Americana for close to eighty years. Is that gone today?
If you take a step back, rub your eyes and take a fresh look, you might see a different picture.
BRICS and the BRI/DSR have managed to pull in most of the world.
Now the US is facing dollar pushback and the very real possibility of being overtaken in technology output.
If anyone is spooked and scrambling to change course it is the US.
Reality says (and you can check it yourself) that the BRI has basically run through all of Latin America, Africa and Asia. Middle East is pivoting to China and Russia doesn't have too many options.
What's left? Not much and China trade with the US and EU is nothing to be scoffed at.
He is full of double truths. Most of what he said about China is fed by the Western world especially US government and media.
Nah. China is out for power and has a target on the West; its plan is to destabilize and weaken the US by partnering with Russia.
We already know they don’t respect IP and routinely engage in corporate espionage.
We already know the CCP runs the show over their corporations, and can demand access to records and data any time they wish.
We already know they’re a brutalist authoritarian regime that doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.
…these are just facts, not opinions. Go read the UN reports or first-hand accounts by former citizens.
You are full of double truths. Double truths that violate facts and common sense.
Nonsense. China absolutely is a brutalist and authoritarian state, that has no qualms about sending tanks in to roll over their own people. Or to wage ethic cleaning against religious minorities, forced organ harvesting, forced prison labor, etc etc. Those are all facts. China doesn’t respect human rights nor democracy.
Do you work for the CCP?
Double truths! Because you conveniently ignored what happened in the US. In the old days, I see many people complaining about double standard. In the US governments relegated the killing to the police. Police does not belong to the government like the military? Organ harvesting? It seems you are indulged in the propaganda war waged by Falun Gong. You have no idea what is a fact. In the US the courts decide what are the facts. In a jury trial, any people found to fabricate false facts will be thrown out of the court and fined. Falun Gong has fabricated numerous false facts. They are liars no better than Chinese government or even US government.
The U.S. has its government divided amongst Federal, State, County, and City (primarily), each with its own court jurisdictions all that way up to the Supreme Court. Most Police misconduct cases are decided on the local level, and by very pro-Police administrations. Difficult to change, but there have been a few notable exceptions, and there is also a widening use of body cams by police in an effort to increase objective policing.
There were enough independent reports of organ harvesting to justify a UN investigation; here's an example:
Ethan Gutmann, a researcher and human rights activist, told Haaretz in late 2020 that some 15 million members of minorities in the Xinjiang province, including Uighur Muslims, underwent medical examinations essential to check matches of organs for transplant. He said over a million of those tested were in prison camps. “This is not sporadic,” he said, adding that China has “created a policy of ethnic cleansing – a potentially very profitable one.”
Who provided these to Gutmann? He is not credible. Let me tell you my understanding. When China opened to the world in 1980, it was dirt poor. People are trying to get rich in any way they can find. Even the doctors were being paid very little. China was very strict to criminals. Government officials embezzling money could be sentenced to death. Gangsters were sentenced to death. Organ transplants were difficult to get every where in the world. Some oversea people needing organ transplant found they could get it quickly in China because China allowed death inmates organs to be sourced after execution. In the late 1990s, Falun Gong were called a cult. Chinese government arrested them. Many people practicing Falun Gong were already seriously ill before and were led by Falun Gong to believe their illness can be cured without medicine. They died in prison. Their organs were used for transplants as I described above. This is not organ harvesting as Falun Gong trying to distort the fact. Due to the uproar of Falun Gong, Chinese government changed the law. Organ transplant from death inmates have to be consigned first. Gutmann tried to exaggerate the numbers to fit Falun Gong propaganda and was found to be overestimating a lot and become unbelievable. The numbers are low because of the facts as discussed above. But there is no effort of organ harvesting directed toward Falun Gong members. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Gutmann "An investigation by the Washington Post found evidence undercutting these estimates, quoting Jeremy Chapman and Michael Millis who described Gutmann's transplant estimates as "not plausible", and stating that estimates by a U.S. congressional commission, the State Department, and the Falun Gong community were all significantly lower than the figures given by Gutmann and others.[24]"
Gutmann is so obsessed with hating China, he became a liar.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
This may be closer to truth than the other way around.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
Huawei's AI hardware is a concern, hence why Huawei doesn't get any from U.S. et al.
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
BS! Again I should remind you to look in the mirror. Answer honestly. Does FBI monitor every people? So monitoring is not crime if you agree FBI can do it.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
BS! Again I should remind you to look in the mirror. Answer honestly. Does FBI monitor every people? So monitoring is not crime if you agree FBI can do it.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
BS! Again I should remind you to look in the mirror. Answer honestly. Does FBI monitor every people? So monitoring is not crime if you agree FBI can do it.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
BS! Again I should remind you to look in the mirror. Answer honestly. Does FBI monitor every people? So monitoring is not crime if you agree FBI can do it.
Obviously, not the same powers of surveillance as China's authoritarianism allows, and compels.
You need to get over yourself
There is a Chinese saying fifty steps are laughing at one hundred steps. 五十步笑百步。 Please learn Chinese culture before you try to interfere in China.
Same applies to you.
Of Course, China blocks the majority of foreign internet links, so I don't have the same capability of "interfering" with Chinese people, whereas, you are using our Western freedoms to "interfere" and complain about how we view China unfairly.
So here we are with Avon B7 and Waveparticle trotting out the moral equivalency argument like those of their ilk always do. If a U.S. citizen takes a stand on human rights abuses their response is, “YOU did the same thing 150 years ago so YOU have no right to criticize what’s happening now in the 21st century. The U.S. and China, Russia, Iran, etc. are exactly the same as far as moral behavior goes so shut up.”
Well, let’s go back to 17th, 18th, and 19th century Europe and China and do the same thing. My ancestors came to America to escape war and famine in what was then pre-Germany. There’s the rape (gold) and genocide (via disease) of the South America’s by the Spanish King and Queen, the colonization by the English and French monarchs in the north. Napoleon Bonaparte sold the middle of North America to Thomas Jefferson to fund his dreams of European conquest. Land he had no right to sell in the first place, and land Jefferson had no right to buy, right? But because of Andrew Jackson’s Trail of Tears march I , as a U.S. citizen must keep my mouth shut about what’s happening China, North Korea, Iran RIGHT NOW! Using that argument means there is no function for the United Nations or the International Court in the Hague because all nations have these skeletons in their closets from their pasts.
So you two can take your moral equivalency bullshit and stick it up your rectums. It’s a straw man argument from those who can’t accept reality in the here and now. If America is no different than North Korea, China, or Iran, and now even Russia, then why are people still risking their lives to get here at any cost. Why are Finland and Sweden now hellbent on joining NATO and why is that asshole dictator Erdogan blocking them?
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
BS! Again I should remind you to look in the mirror. Answer honestly. Does FBI monitor every people? So monitoring is not crime if you agree FBI can do it.
Obviously, not the same powers of surveillance as China's authoritarianism allows, and compels.
You need to get over yourself
There is a Chinese saying fifty steps are laughing at one hundred steps. 五十步笑百步。 Please learn Chinese culture before you try to interfere in China.
Same applies to you.
Of Course, China blocks the majority of foreign internet links, so I don't have the same capability of "interfering" with Chinese people, whereas, you are using our Western freedoms to "interfere" and complain about how we view China unfairly.
I follow American culture of free speech. I am right. I am speaking of facts. Unlike you exaggerating human rights to genocide. I pointed out it. You could not reply to it. You feel desperate by facts. You try to silence me. It is the same as silence facts.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
BS! Again I should remind you to look in the mirror. Answer honestly. Does FBI monitor every people? So monitoring is not crime if you agree FBI can do it.
Obviously, not the same powers of surveillance as China's authoritarianism allows, and compels.
You need to get over yourself
There is a Chinese saying fifty steps are laughing at one hundred steps. 五十步笑百步。 Please learn Chinese culture before you try to interfere in China.
Same applies to you.
Of Course, China blocks the majority of foreign internet links, so I don't have the same capability of "interfering" with Chinese people, whereas, you are using our Western freedoms to "interfere" and complain about how we view China unfairly.
I follow American culture of free speech. I am right. I am speaking of facts. Unlike you exaggerating human rights to genocide. I pointed out it. You could not reply to it. You feel desperate by facts. You try to silence me. It is the same as silence facts.
So you deny Genocide, but you don't seem to acknowledge human rights violations by China. That's a fail.
Free speech is speech free of Government interference. You do not have that in China, so of course, there is no need for independent journalism in China either.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
Huawei's AI hardware is a concern, hence why Huawei doesn't get any from U.S. et al.
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
So there is no link to Huawei and hypersonic missiles.
I should have known!
Huawei is not state intervened anymore than Honor (which is actually part government owned!). Can you see the irony?
The Chinese government (according to your thinking at least) has its fingers in All Chinese companies but it's only Huawei that is 'banned'.
You have no valid explanation for that (or anything else you claim) which is exactly why you dumped hypersonic missiles in here and now don't want to answer my retort.
Those missiles don't mean anything now and it is me who has backed myself into a corner?
No.
I'm not foolish enough to do that but let's keep things technological.
China has all the technology it needs to build hypersonic missiles. It already has them. There is literally zero need for cutting edge process nodes on multi-million dollar single use weapons. Zero.
At the other end (control) China (hey! Not Huawei!) already has all the technology it needs.
It is suspected down to at least 5nm. Mass production is an issue there but how many missile systems do you think they plan on making? I think yields aren't an issue for that. Nor is cost.
Anyway, cutting edge nodes also mean zero in these cases.
I'll tell what Huawei is going to do and it's no secret. They are going to chipstack older nodes using new (self-developed) packaging technology for improved cost efficiency and performance. That is happening now. The chips are rumored to be in internal testing. Not for hypersonic misiles though! LOL.
That is a stop-gap solution. They have applied for a patent on EUV and others on improving older DUV implementations.
The end game is non-silicon, though. That means EUV becomes irrelevant.
How far are we away from that? No idea but the US has pushed China to make a bigger effort to get there sooner.
And one last point for perspective.
IIRC, ASML is producing close to 700 lithography systems for the coming years. Each one a multi million dollar effort.
So here we are with Avon B7 and Waveparticle trotting out the moral equivalency argument like those of their ilk always do. If a U.S. citizen takes a stand on human rights abuses their response is, “YOU did the same thing 150 years ago so YOU have no right to criticize what’s happening now in the 21st century. The U.S. and China, Russia, Iran, etc. are exactly the same as far as moral behavior goes so shut up.”
Well, let’s go back to 17th, 18th, and 19th century Europe and China and do the same thing. My ancestors came to America to escape war and famine in what was then pre-Germany. There’s the rape (gold) and genocide (via disease) of the South America’s by the Spanish King and Queen, the colonization by the English and French monarchs in the north. Napoleon Bonaparte sold the middle of North America to Thomas Jefferson to fund his dreams of European conquest. Land he had no right to sell in the first place, and land Jefferson had no right to buy, right? But because of Andrew Jackson’s Trail of Tears march I , as a U.S. citizen must keep my mouth shut about what’s happening China, North Korea, Iran RIGHT NOW! Using that argument means there is no function for the United Nations or the International Court in the Hague because all nations have these skeletons in their closets from their pasts.
So you two can take your moral equivalency bullshit and stick it up your rectums. It’s a straw man argument from those who can’t accept reality in the here and now.
Did I try to silence you? No! I was trying to tell you the other side of the truths. Use Uyghurs as an example. I will tell you the history. When China opened to the world in 1980, some Uyghurs were able to go abroad. They saw the advances of the Western world. They are addicted with the living standard. They fall in love with the freedom and democracy. They became separatists. The seek independence of Xinjiang from China. Should China allow it? Of course not. They resort to terrorism by killings. They were harbored by Western countries especially Britain, Chinese government try to suppress them by monitoring. They fabricate stories like Falun Gong. The Western world fall for them because they are anti-communism. They choose to shield facts of China. This why I am doing it here. The other side of the truths.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
BS! Again I should remind you to look in the mirror. Answer honestly. Does FBI monitor every people? So monitoring is not crime if you agree FBI can do it.
Obviously, not the same powers of surveillance as China's authoritarianism allows, and compels.
You need to get over yourself
There is a Chinese saying fifty steps are laughing at one hundred steps. 五十步笑百步。 Please learn Chinese culture before you try to interfere in China.
Same applies to you.
Of Course, China blocks the majority of foreign internet links, so I don't have the same capability of "interfering" with Chinese people, whereas, you are using our Western freedoms to "interfere" and complain about how we view China unfairly.
I follow American culture of free speech. I am right. I am speaking of facts. Unlike you exaggerating human rights to genocide. I pointed out it. You could not reply to it. You feel desperate by facts. You try to silence me. It is the same as silence facts.
So you deny Genocide, but you don't seem to acknowledge human rights violations by China. That's a fail.
Free speech is speech free of Government interference. You do not have that in China, so of course, there is no need for independent journalism in China either.
Dude! I asked you to prove the intent to destroy. You were not able to do. It is your failure. You cannot link me to China in this way. I am speaking for facts which is above China. Currently I see US is obsessed with distorting facts about China.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
Huawei's AI hardware is a concern, hence why Huawei doesn't get any from U.S. et al.
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
So there is no link to Huawei and hypersonic missiles.
I should have known!
Huawei is not state intervened anymore than Honor (which is actually part government owned!). Can you see the irony?
The Chinese government (according to your thinking at least) has its fingers in All Chinese companies but it's only Huawei that is 'banned'.
You have no valid explanation for that (or anything else you claim) which is exactly why you dumped hypersonic missiles in here and now don't want to answer my retort.
Those missiles don't mean anything now and it is me who has backed myself into a corner?
No.
I'm not foolish enough to do that but let's keep things technological.
China has all the technology it needs to build hypersonic missiles. It already has them. There is literally zero need for cutting edge process nodes on multi-million dollar single use weapons. Zero.
At the other end (control) China (hey! Not Huawei!) already has all the technology it needs.
It is suspected down to at least 5nm. Mass production is an issue there but how many missile systems do you think they plan on making? I think yields aren't an issue for that. Nor is cost.
Anyway, cutting edge nodes also mean zero in these cases.
I'll tell what Huawei is going to do and it's no secret. They are going to chipstack older nodes using new (self-developed) packaging technology for improved cost efficiency and performance. That is happening now. The chips are rumored to be in internal testing. Not for hypersonic misiles though! LOL.
That is a stop-gap solution. They have applied for a patent on EUV and others on improving older DUV implementations.
The end game is non-silicon, though. That means EUV becomes irrelevant.
How far are we away from that? No idea but the US has pushed China to make a bigger effort to get there sooner.
And one last point for perspective.
IIRC, ASML is producing close to 700 lithography systems for the coming years. Each one a multi million dollar effort.
So let me ask you. How many of those will be EUV?
Seems like Huawei and all its tentacles in Chinese Government are the reason for its current problems, and you posted in the past that Huawei had a significant AI/High Performance Computing hardware offering. That in itself is enough to ban it as these systems are used for designing weapon. You seem unable to comprehend that.
With Regard To China's Hypersonic missiles, these are more the equivalent of ballistic missiles, with "boost and glide" warheads, whereas the U.S. is working on hypersonic air breathing missile technology that is currently superior to anything that China or Russia have, with two different working systems. Reason enough that China would want to have more computational assets for weapon design. As well, China has used Computational Fluid Dynamics software of U.S. origin that is also now banned.
You can stop posting about all of the semiconductor work arounds that Huawei is going to do in lieu of advanced nodes, with your attendant complaints about how it isn't fair that Huawei/China is banned from advanced nodes, really anything 14 nm or below, and that includes most of the DUV advanced hardware.
You should read more of what I posted, since you are very much behind the power curve on semiconductor fab equipment banned to China.
Let's be fair. As you know I'm pro EU but not really pro or anti US/China.
It says loads about you as a human being that you have no problem with a totalitarian dictatorship with a miserable human rights record, a government who enslaves and attempts genocide at every opportunity, Tibet in 1950 and the Uyghurs more recently. Unlike you I am vehemently anti-China for a whole host of reasons. And I am not fond of western Europe for its complete dependence on U.S. military might since WWII for its security so it could spend mightily on its socialist programs. I chuckle at the French unions shutting down the country because Macron wants to raise the retirement age by two years. Now that Putin has designs on you ( the former Russian President, Medvedev, talked about “adjusting” the border with Poland) at least the Germans have pledged to spend more than 2% GDP on defense. The French will always be the French though.
Oh, and you are always touting and hauling ass for Huawei. What’s that all about? Whenever there’s talk about the iPhone market there you are yammering about Huawei. You hang around an Apple centric tech blog but you are always at the ready to tell us how Apple’s success is an illusion, a specter, fake news, posting links from god-knows-where as proof.
You're welcome to your opinion but it is very, very skewed.
I have no problem with it though, because I don't rate people 'as people' based on a thread on an internet site.
What I say here isn't nearly enough for you to rate me as a person. I hope a little reflection on your part might make that clearer to you.
No, I don't have a problem with China. It's not perfect but which country is?
Certainly not the US which strolled into the UN, lied to the world, and used those lies to invade a country, causing untold civilian deaths (in the hundreds of thousands), destruction and chaos. Iraq still hasn't recovered and some damage was irreparable.
Afghanistan? Let's not talk about that particular mess.
The US still has prisoners in Guantanamo under no charges and who are destined to remain there 'indefinitely'. Is that a rights abuse or doesn't it count?
Others were deliberately shipped to countries with known lax Civil rights laws for 'interrogation'. Was that a rights abuse?
Have you even browsed the 'Costs of War' from Brown University. The war on terror seemed to unleash a swathe of human rights abuses that are still being documented to this day. Go take a look.
Within the US, the death penalty continues, universal healthcare basically does not exist (leaving millions without 'rights') and racism is systemic and often leads to administrative descrimination at all levels (labour and legal included). The performance of the US on various 'rights' scales (including the democracy scale) is surprisingly poor for what it aspires to be.
People looking in from the inside have questions that might lead to some uncomfortable truths.
And there lies the rub. 'truths'.
You speak of Uyghurs but how much do you really know? I took a look years ago and nothing that was being said at the time really held up to any scrutiny. Numbers went from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to a million and then two million almost in the blink of an eye. At least in the mainstream western press. No doubt the Chinese press painted a different picture. But where was the truth?
Have you ever tried to find it? If so, where?
Well, I tried. I tried hard. What did I find? Almost everything in the western press wound itself back to 'think tanks' and individuals with full or partial funding from the US government. I'm not saying the Chinese side would have necessarily been any better but I don't have much access to that.
All I had to do was dig a little deeper. Scratch below the surface. How many people even make a minimal effort to source their news from entities that are not where they stand politically speaking? Would I be mistaken to put you into that kind of grouping because you clearly haven't researched what you are saying (see my earlier posts).
Just look at the mess Fox is in now with the current court case.
Your anti-China stance is vehement but doesn't extend as far as not buying iPhones or tons of other products made in China. You're fine with that.
What do you think of Snowden. Or better still, what do you think of the issues he revealed?
You are moaning about the US having to 'protect' Europe yet seem oblivious to the fact that is is a double edged strategic sword.
The US absolutely needs to be in all these countries. The bases there are not charity.
They aren't Captain America holiday homes. They are strategic bases for all kinds of activity. Please try to get that into your head.
The US would not have been able to do what it has done without those bases. There are dual interests here.
Peace begins at home by avoiding civil war. Then it extends to neighbours by avoiding war with them. Collaboration cements trust. Trust cements collaboration.
The EU has been conflict free to the level it has achieved, not because of the US military shadow, but through collaboration, trust and union.
Does that ring a bell with you? Union.
So, as long as the US sits at the top of the hill it can dictate foreign policy (using threats and leverage now). All as long as nothing changes. When things look like changing it ups the bullying. It doesn't matter who is on the other end.
As for Huawei, I'm obviously more qualified to speak of that because I actually know a lot about the subject but, as for my comments here, they are always in the context of the thread comments.
When someone says 'only Apple can do this', or Apple is leading the way in this or that, I will sometimes point out that that isn't actually true.
The point is, and this flies completely over your head, I correct just a tiny fraction of those comments here. The vast majority I just let go. That is the reality.
I am a long time Mac user. Just as long as you I'm sure. But I'm not an Apple or Huawei certified 'defender' at all costs. 'truth' again. The facts.
I have iDevices here. I use them daily. My wife uses me for Apple and Huawei tech support.
We have iCloud and Huawei Cloud. Huawei devices and Apple devices. Huawei routers and mesh systems. Wearables.
Do you know why I rarely speak about Samsung? Because my only Samsung devices are TVs. I know very little about Samsung.
I talk about what I know and I know a lot about Apple and a lot about Huawei.
The Netherlands’ government on Wednesday said it plans new restrictions on exports of semiconductor technology to protect national security, joining the US effort to curb chip exports to China.
The announcement marked the first concrete move by the Dutch, who oversee essential chipmaking technology, toward adopting rules urged by Washington to hobble China’s chipmaking industry and slow its military advances.
The US in October imposed sweeping export restrictions on shipments of American chipmaking tools to China, but for the restrictions to be effective it needs other key suppliers in the Netherlands and Japan, who produce key chipmaking technology, to agree. The allied countries have been in talks on the matter for months.
Dutch Trade Minister Liesje Schreinemacher announced the decision in a letter to parliament, saying the restrictions will be introduced before the summer.
Her letter did not name China, a key Dutch trading partner, nor did it name ASML Holding (ASML), Europe’s largest tech firm and a major supplier to semiconductor manufacturers, but both will be affected. It specified one technology that will be impacted is “DUV” lithography systems, the second-most advanced machines that ASML sells to computer chip manufacturers.
“Because the Netherlands considers it necessary on national security grounds to get this technology into oversight with the greatest of speed, the Cabinet will introduce a national control list,” the letter said.
A White House representative did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
...on national security grounds...
Couldn't possibly be that China's civilian / military dual use of Western technology ,and State Owned Enterprise Huawei are the cause of bans...
National security grounds but with no evidence. Convenient.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
LOL!
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
For the most part, the lists of EU export-controlled goods and services conform to those of the Wassenaar Arrangement, and this is indeed the case for lithography equipment. However, Article 4 of the European Union’s export controls regulations (EC No 2021/821) grants individual member states the independent authority to require a license for items other than those on the EU lists in certain cases. One of those is cases in which:
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G. Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
State Owned Enterprise.
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
BS! Again I should remind you to look in the mirror. Answer honestly. Does FBI monitor every people? So monitoring is not crime if you agree FBI can do it.
Obviously, not the same powers of surveillance as China's authoritarianism allows, and compels.
You need to get over yourself
There is a Chinese saying fifty steps are laughing at one hundred steps. 五十步笑百步。 Please learn Chinese culture before you try to interfere in China.
Same applies to you.
Of Course, China blocks the majority of foreign internet links, so I don't have the same capability of "interfering" with Chinese people, whereas, you are using our Western freedoms to "interfere" and complain about how we view China unfairly.
I follow American culture of free speech. I am right. I am speaking of facts. Unlike you exaggerating human rights to genocide. I pointed out it. You could not reply to it. You feel desperate by facts. You try to silence me. It is the same as silence facts.
So you deny Genocide, but you don't seem to acknowledge human rights violations by China. That's a fail.
Free speech is speech free of Government interference. You do not have that in China, so of course, there is no need for independent journalism in China either.
Dude! I asked you to prove the intent to destroy. You were not able to do. It is your failure. You cannot link me to China in this way. I am speaking for facts which is above China. Currently I see US is obsessed with distorting facts about China.
LOL!
Could that be because there is no free and independent press access into China? Could it be that enough Uyghurs that have escaped China to the West have exposed the conditions they experienced?
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Who provided these to Gutmann? He is not credible. Let me tell you my understanding. When China opened to the world in 1980, it was dirt poor. People are trying to get rich in any way they can find. Even the doctors were being paid very little. China was very strict to criminals. Government officials embezzling money could be sentenced to death. Gangsters were sentenced to death. Organ transplants were difficult to get every where in the world. Some oversea people needing organ transplant found they could get it quickly in China because China allowed death inmates organs to be sourced after execution. In the late 1990s, Falun Gong were called a cult. Chinese government arrested them. Many people practicing Falun Gong were already seriously ill before and were led by Falun Gong to believe their illness can be cured without medicine. They died in prison. Their organs were used for transplants as I described above. This is not organ harvesting as Falun Gong trying to distort the fact. Due to the uproar of Falun Gong, Chinese government changed the law. Organ transplant from death inmates have to be consigned first. Gutmann tried to exaggerate the numbers to fit Falun Gong propaganda and was found to be overestimating a lot and become unbelievable. The numbers are low because of the facts as discussed above. But there is no effort of organ harvesting directed toward Falun Gong members. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Gutmann
"An investigation by the Washington Post found evidence undercutting these estimates, quoting Jeremy Chapman and Michael Millis who described Gutmann's transplant estimates as "not plausible", and stating that estimates by a U.S. congressional commission, the State Department, and the Falun Gong community were all significantly lower than the figures given by Gutmann and others.[24]"
Gutmann is so obsessed with hating China, he became a liar.
Nothing new to see there.
The same old story but the US has stated it will not allow any nation to define 'national security'.
Don't you find it strange that one country sees itself as having the right to determine what other countries may or may not do?
Nord Stream 2. "We will bring an end to it". That was Biden. Overreach don't you think?
Now conspiracy theories abound about the US sabotaging the pipeline.
That theories abound isn't strange. That the mainstream press has silenced the news itself is, at the very least concerning. Especially as the main proponent of the theory is a world renowned journalist.
With media in the hands of the rich and powerful, it becomes more challenging to see what is happening. Again, Fox News is an example. More and more outlets simply echo other sources and more often than not, things get twisted in the process.
However, once again, the facts are essential.
These announcements (which I referred to yesterday in this very thread) have only been made now, in March.
They actually refer back to last October when the US imposed more unilateral sanctions on sovereign countries without consultation.
Those countries were so furious that the US has had to go into deep diplomatic mode and its taken until now to undo the mess but in reality it hasn't been undone at all.
Those countries have taken note and are still royally pissed off at the situation. The affected companies even more so and the CEO of ASML didn't mince his words when saying the sanctions wouldn't work.
Companies are 'de-Americanising' their product lines to eliminate US technology and they aren't all in China.
Dude, there is plenty of evidence that China is using Western Technology for design of Nuclear and hypersonic Weapons, and that is why the Netherlands is using the Wassenaar Arrangement.
I'll repost from earlier;
[. . .] the items in question are or may be intended, in their entirety or in part, for use in connection with the development, production, handling, operation, maintenance, storage, detection, identification or dissemination of chemical, biological or nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or the development, production, maintenance or storage of missiles capable of delivering such weapons.
The October 7 regulation justifications included significant analysis of the connection between exports of advanced computer chips and other semiconductor technologies and the military supercomputers that China uses to develop nuclear weapons and advanced nuclear missile delivery systems, such as hypersonics. This is undoubtedly true and does not require the capabilities of the U.S. intelligence community to prove; journalists at the Wall Street Journalindependently reviewed Chinese government procurement documents and reached the same conclusion. Moreover, when the U.S. government builds advanced supercomputers, it freely acknowledges that simulating nuclear explosions and hypersonics modeling are among their most important tasks.
Thus, the United States was not misleading or exaggerating when it said that the technologies being export controlled were directly related to China’s supercomputers as part of China’s nuclear weapons and missile programs. Loudly and repeatedly emphasizing this point, however, served an additional purpose: reminding the Dutch government that they were within their rights to invoke Article 4.
You seem unable to comprehend that this is the Netherlands that has come to the conclusion of a national security risk, independently of the U.S., but obviously following the U.S. lead.
Perhaps you need to read what I posted.
As for the conspiracy theories that it was the U.S. sabotaged Nord Stream 2, it now appears that it was a small group of Ukrainians acting independently out of Poland.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/07/officials-believe-pro-ukraine-group-sabotage-nord-stream-pipelines
You need to stop posting misinformation.
What does that have to do with Huawei that does not have to do with other Chinese companies?
Honor 5G.
Huawei no 5G (even though they partly invented it!) That particular problem will be resolved shortly.
Can you see the gaping hole in your argument?
Are hypersonic missiles being guided by Kirin chips?
https://www.slashgear.com/the-real-reason-america-banned-huawei-phones-17707593/
Facial Recognition software from Huawei w/ hardware linked to Uyghur human rights violation. There has been documents linking that. Your denial of those human rights violations doesn't get Huawei off the hook.
Huawei Telecom infrastructure is a national security concern. See EU...
Huawei's AI hardware is a concern, hence why Huawei doesn't get any from U.S. et al.
There are no gaping holes in my argument. It sucks for you that Huawei phones are banned in many Western countries, but that is the price Huawei pays for being a State Owned Enterprise that is at the beck and call of the CCP. As for Kirin chips, you keep telling me that SMIC or someone else is going to make those, and that they are going to be "great", so what's the concern?
You've bullshitted yourself into a corner.
Obviously, not the same powers of surveillance as China's authoritarianism allows, and compels.
You need to get over yourself
Of Course, China blocks the majority of foreign internet links, so I don't have the same capability of "interfering" with Chinese people, whereas, you are using our Western freedoms to "interfere" and complain about how we view China unfairly.
Well, let’s go back to 17th, 18th, and 19th century Europe and China and do the same thing. My ancestors came to America to escape war and famine in what was then pre-Germany. There’s the rape (gold) and genocide (via disease) of the South America’s by the Spanish King and Queen, the colonization by the English and French monarchs in the north. Napoleon Bonaparte sold the middle of North America to Thomas Jefferson to fund his dreams of European conquest. Land he had no right to sell in the first place, and land Jefferson had no right to buy, right? But because of Andrew Jackson’s Trail of Tears march I , as a U.S. citizen must keep my mouth shut about what’s happening China, North Korea, Iran RIGHT NOW! Using that argument means there is no function for the United Nations or the International Court in the Hague because all nations have these skeletons in their closets from their pasts.
So you two can take your moral equivalency bullshit and stick it up your rectums. It’s a straw man argument from those who can’t accept reality in the here and now. If America is no different than North Korea, China, or Iran, and now even Russia, then why are people still risking their lives to get here at any cost. Why are Finland and Sweden now hellbent on joining NATO and why is that asshole dictator Erdogan blocking them?
I follow American culture of free speech. I am right. I am speaking of facts. Unlike you exaggerating human rights to genocide. I pointed out it. You could not reply to it. You feel desperate by facts. You try to silence me. It is the same as silence facts.
Free speech is speech free of Government interference. You do not have that in China, so of course, there is no need for independent journalism in China either.
I should have known!
Huawei is not state intervened anymore than Honor (which is actually part government owned!). Can you see the irony?
The Chinese government (according to your thinking at least) has its fingers in All Chinese companies but it's only Huawei that is 'banned'.
You have no valid explanation for that (or anything else you claim) which is exactly why you dumped hypersonic missiles in here and now don't want to answer my retort.
Those missiles don't mean anything now and it is me who has backed myself into a corner?
No.
I'm not foolish enough to do that but let's keep things technological.
China has all the technology it needs to build hypersonic missiles. It already has them. There is literally zero need for cutting edge process nodes on multi-million dollar single use weapons. Zero.
At the other end (control) China (hey! Not Huawei!) already has all the technology it needs.
It is suspected down to at least 5nm. Mass production is an issue there but how many missile systems do you think they plan on making? I think yields aren't an issue for that. Nor is cost.
Anyway, cutting edge nodes also mean zero in these cases.
I'll tell what Huawei is going to do and it's no secret. They are going to chipstack older nodes using new (self-developed) packaging technology for improved cost efficiency and performance. That is happening now. The chips are rumored to be in internal testing. Not for hypersonic misiles though! LOL.
That is a stop-gap solution. They have applied for a patent on EUV and others on improving older DUV implementations.
The end game is non-silicon, though. That means EUV becomes irrelevant.
How far are we away from that? No idea but the US has pushed China to make a bigger effort to get there sooner.
And one last point for perspective.
IIRC, ASML is producing close to 700 lithography systems for the coming years. Each one a multi million dollar effort.
So let me ask you. How many of those will be EUV?
With Regard To China's Hypersonic missiles, these are more the equivalent of ballistic missiles, with "boost and glide" warheads, whereas the U.S. is working on hypersonic air breathing missile technology that is currently superior to anything that China or Russia have, with two different working systems. Reason enough that China would want to have more computational assets for weapon design. As well, China has used Computational Fluid Dynamics software of U.S. origin that is also now banned.
https://newatlas.com/military/darpa-nails-latest-us-hypersonic-missile-test-flight/
You can stop posting about all of the semiconductor work arounds that Huawei is going to do in lieu of advanced nodes, with your attendant complaints about how it isn't fair that Huawei/China is banned from advanced nodes, really anything 14 nm or below, and that includes most of the DUV advanced hardware.
You should read more of what I posted, since you are very much behind the power curve on semiconductor fab equipment banned to China.
Could that be because there is no free and independent press access into China? Could it be that enough Uyghurs that have escaped China to the West have exposed the conditions they experienced?
Sad.