FireWire, the industry standard interface for digital video cameras and high-performance peripherals, is standard on all Macs. In this overview, developers learn how to support this revolutionary technology to provide customers with unmatched peripheral performance, reliability, and simplicity. FireWire futures, including 1394b and protocols such as FireWire Audio (61883) and IP over FireWire are also covered.
The Mac OS X Quartz Compositor seamlessly integrates 2D, 3D, and multimedia content on-screen. This session details the Quartz Compositor's design and capabilities. Special attention is focused on how developers can easily build new classes of interactive applications by leveraging the Quartz Compositor
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Hardware accelated using Raycer technology in New Quartz Compositor ?
This overview of the exceptional 2D and 3D graphics technologies in Mac OS X provides an introduction to other graphics and imaging sessions. The latest information on Quartz 2D, OpenGL, ColorSync, printing, and Image Capture are presented as well as the latest Quartz Compositor developments.
Apple brought the 802.11 wireless networking standard to consumers with the launch of the iBook and AirPort in 1999 and remains the number one volume supplier of mobile wireless computers. In this session, learn how Apple will continue to lead the industry it created through advancements in 802.11 and Bluetooth.
This session explains the basics of the CFRunLoop that dispatches all user events in a typical Mac OS X application. Learn how to use CFReadStream and CFWriteStream to manage your I/O, and discover how they fit in with the run loop to allow you to manage your I/O asynchronously, all without extra threads! Basic run loop inputs such as timers, mach ports, and sockets are discussed
This session will focus on QuickTime's MPEG-4 implementation. Topics include audio, video, and systems technologies in QuickTime 6, interoperability, and future directions in the MPEG-4 space
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Now. Let us guess what SJ will talk about in Key note.
Think about this, After APPLE changed the OS, All of Hardware can be change without any program modification, if Software followed APPLE's Guideline with OS X.
<strong>SkullMac, that only vaguely resembles an AirPort slot. The AirPort card would have to hang off the edge of the PCB.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That slot's definitely the AirPort slot. If you look at the current G4 motherboards, the slot is also on the edge of the motherboard, with the card "hanging off the edge of the PCB". The current G4s have a metal bracket that is not part of the motherboard, which holds the AirPort card in place.
That port does vaguely resemble an airport slot. Perhaps the board was designed so that an Airport card can be inserted from the "front" of the case ala the new eMac.
[quote]Originally posted by Dennis the Phantom Menace:
<strong>Perhaps the board was designed so that an Airport card can be inserted from the "front" of the case ala the new eMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That is what it looks like to me too. Notice the 3 IDE connectors, 1 for CD and zip and the other two for RAID I guess.
That's exactly what the airport slot looks like on current models. The part that hangs off the motherboard is held in place by a separate metal cage. This is no different. A combination Airport/Bluetooth card is most likely in the future.
128bit data paths * 133MHz * 2(for DDR) / 8 bits (8 bits per byte) = 4.266GB/sec
</strong><hr></blockquote>
It said "full 128-bit internal data paths" ... this has always been true of the G4. The bus is only 64-bits wide, however.
The bus clock is 133 MHz but transfers on the leading and trailing clock edges, which is often referred to as 266 MHz DDR... technically incorrect. Actual throughput should be a little more than 2 GBytes/sec, so the L3 performance is still better -- not to mention its better latency.
The auction has been pulled, and ebay even issued a statement about it (in a macnn forum), about it being requested to be pulled etc! There's your "REMOVED AT THE REQUEST OF APPLE LEGAL"!!
I'm sorry, but its gotta be true. Remember the cube rumors, all pulled at apple's request We can trust ebay, as opposed to some site with a little "removed at the request of apple legal" badge
It seems cool. Looks like 2 800mbps FW2 and a 1600mbps fibre port on that sucker. DDR RAM with 4 slots will be nice, back to 2GB (any word on 1GB DDR modules?)
Uhm...A..how can you tell its a LIF..im not saying ur wrong, but, I cannot tell a difference..and B...why would Apple want to use a LIF instead of ZIF..cuz theoretically a no force would be more safe..right?
If you were able to get a bid in on it you would have received an email from eBay stating:
The following listing:
2020903080 - Apple G4 Quicksilver 2002 Server Logic Board
was ended early by eBay for a listing violation. A Verified Rights Owner, such as a copyright, trademark, or patent owner, notified eBay that the item or material contained in the listing infringes its intellectual property rights. eBay takes no position on the authenticity or authorized nature of such items, but we take appropriate action when requested by a Verified Rights Owner. Since the listing was ended early, you as a bidder are not required to complete the transaction. Sellers that feel their listings may have been ended in error have the opportunity to get in touch with the relevant person or company or contact eBay.
So it seems this is the real deal. I don't think the seller (who said he was selling it for someone else) is really technically savy and he seems to have cut and paste a lot of the info from the current PowerMac specs. Don't expect the info to be 100% accurate. I mean, how could they think they could get away with this in the first place?
That slot's definitely the AirPort slot. If you look at the current G4 motherboards, the slot is also on the edge of the motherboard, with the card "hanging off the edge of the PCB". The current G4s have a metal bracket that is not part of the motherboard, which holds the AirPort card in place.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ah, so it is. It's funny how I never noticed that on my own computer.
<strong>(any word on 1GB DDR modules?)</strong><hr></blockquote>
yup, there _are_ 1 and 2 gb DDR modules made by Infineon I think, but are so expensive that only bad ass server companies could afford them ($2k for 1 gb I think)
Here is the breakdown of what all the things are on the red G4. As far as I can tell, the only differences are the addition of the 4th RAM slot, a 3rd IDE socket (possibly a seperate 3rd IDE bus) and undetermined ?? slot, probably gigawire, or whatever.
I should point out that the processor connection is NOT a ZIF, but appears to be identical to the standard Apple currently uses for the G4's.
The only thing I am not certain on is the location of the power connector for the motherboard. By process of elimination I located it at the top right next to the 2 IDE connectors. The only reason I question this is because it is not clear and it doesn't seem to be quite large enough.
It does makes sense though that all the cables are located along the same edge of the motherboard, which would be where the hinge of the door that it mounts on would be located as well. From that assumption I can go a step further and suggest that based on the location of those connections that the PCI slots will be located at the top of the case when it is closed, which means a major redesign of the internals of the case are in order .
One can easily see how this motherboard would simply not work on a current G3/G4 tower. If any cards were installed at that location, the case could not be closed, the cards would hit the power supply (in the current location) long before the door closed.
The area where the processor would be located will be filled by the usual massive heat sink, which means that the space inside the case will have to remain open to accomodate that.
The space that remains is in the shape of a large L, running from the lithium battery, to the corner where the 2 IDE connectors are, down to the other singe IDE connector. This space must accomodate the Power Supply, Hard Drives, DVD drive and ZIP drive (if that is still to be used). By tradition, the power supply must be located at the rear of the machine, which would occuply the space underneath the heatsink when the case is closed. It would seem that the only possible location for the long DVD drive would be at some point from below the 4 RAM slots to the hinge edge of the motherboard. The shorter ZIP drive could fit above that as is the current practice. That means the hard drives will remain on the bottom of the case, but this time they will be in the middle to the front of the case, instead of at the back below the current power supply location.
Leave some room for the front panel and speaker, and this is what you get:
All this information is just me making educated guesses. What do you think??
Comments
<strong>The "mystery" port looks like a mini-vga port. But it is more likely some new port.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I think its the 1394b Firewire 2 port. It looks like the diagram in the 1394b specifications.
Also, it wouldn't make sense to have a mini-VGA port on a PowerMac that uses graphics cards.
<a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=001548"; target="_blank">http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=001548</a>;
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The next Gen Firewire, which is Gigawire, has different connector.
<a href="http://www.zayante.com/p1394b/"; target="_blank">http://www.zayante.com/p1394b/</a>;
( Look at this very carefully. Who's site it is !)
P.S.: See the page 56 to 72 of PDF "p1394b1-33.pdf"
But Don't worry! Be happy! It can connect current firewire device with conversion cable and it will be compatible with current DV Camcoders too.
However, it can use 1.6Gbps/sec speed upto 100m!
And better part is that it only use general CAT-5 Cable ! Which you use with every 100Mb Ethernet-cable ! It is cheap and it is proven too!
And using with Plastic fiber-optic or Glass fiber-optic, it can reach 1.6Gbps/sec and up to 3.2 Gbps/sec over 100~500m,( With repeater, 5KM ).
So you will ask me proof. In this NAB, Panasonic has DVCPRO HD B/D for Firewire and it had THE NEW Connector in it!
( If I can find the picture, I will post it. )
The people who will implement this is already in APPLE !
<a href="http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/apr/04zayante.html"; target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/apr/04zayante.html</a>;
( YES. The same people who made 1394b standard ! )
Sorry - It is not standard yet until IEEE approve it.
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kormac77
Member
Posts: 53
posted 05-01-2002 04:59 AM
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Hello. .... again.
eMac & New PB G4...
We just got the best of past technology.
Well. For many, it should be good for long time.
However, this is year 2002 and this year will be new century for Apple product line.
Let's see why the products are announced early.
Because , there will be big change in Mac H/W & S/W structure which new eMac & PB G4 does not have.
We will see the core of new H/W & S/W for new generation of Mac for next 10 years. ( or 5 year ! Thing's change so fast..... )
Here is clue.
In WWDC
First day.
<a href="http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/monday.html#top"; target="_blank">http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/monday.html#top</a>;
<a href="http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/descriptions.html#101"; target="_blank">http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/descriptions.html#101</a>;
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101 - FireWire Overview
FireWire, the industry standard interface for digital video cameras and high-performance peripherals, is standard on all Macs. In this overview, developers learn how to support this revolutionary technology to provide customers with unmatched peripheral performance, reliability, and simplicity. FireWire futures, including 1394b and protocols such as FireWire Audio (61883) and IP over FireWire are also covered.
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Introduction of GIGAWIRE.
Second day
<a href="http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/tuesday.html#top"; target="_blank">http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/tuesday.html#top</a>;
<a href="http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/descriptions.html#503"; target="_blank">http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/descriptions.html#503</a>;
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503 - Exploring the Quartz Compositor
The Mac OS X Quartz Compositor seamlessly integrates 2D, 3D, and multimedia content on-screen. This session details the Quartz Compositor's design and capabilities. Special attention is focused on how developers can easily build new classes of interactive applications by leveraging the Quartz Compositor
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Hardware accelated using Raycer technology in New Quartz Compositor ?
<a href="http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/descriptions.html#500"; target="_blank">http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/descriptions.html#500</a>;
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500 - Graphics & Imaging Overview
This overview of the exceptional 2D and 3D graphics technologies in Mac OS X provides an introduction to other graphics and imaging sessions. The latest information on Quartz 2D, OpenGL, ColorSync, printing, and Image Capture are presented as well as the latest Quartz Compositor developments.
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The third day
<a href="http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/wednesday.html#top"; target="_blank">http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/wednesday.html#top</a>;
<a href="http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/descriptions.html#806"; target="_blank">http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/descriptions.html#806</a>;
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806 - Wireless Directions
Apple brought the 802.11 wireless networking standard to consumers with the launch of the iBook and AirPort in 1999 and remains the number one volume supplier of mobile wireless computers. In this session, learn how Apple will continue to lead the industry it created through advancements in 802.11 and Bluetooth.
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Faster Airport and Bluetooth integration for
<a href="http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/descriptions.html#808"; target="_blank">http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/descriptions.html#808</a>;
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808 - Managing I/O: CFRunLoop and CFStream
This session explains the basics of the CFRunLoop that dispatches all user events in a typical Mac OS X application. Learn how to use CFReadStream and CFWriteStream to manage your I/O, and discover how they fit in with the run loop to allow you to manage your I/O asynchronously, all without extra threads! Basic run loop inputs such as timers, mach ports, and sockets are discussed
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This, I can NOT tell at ALL !
The Forth day.
<a href="http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/thursday.html#top"; target="_blank">http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/thursday.html#top</a>;
Session
To Be Announced
Session
To Be Announced
and
007
Pixar Presentation
RenderMan is good.
The LAST day and finally. Quicktime 6
<a href="http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/friday.html#top"; target="_blank">http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/friday.html#top</a>;
<a href="http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/descriptions.html#607"; target="_blank">http://developer.apple.com/wwdc2002/descriptions.html#607</a>;
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607 - QuickTime & MPEG-4 Technical Overview
This session will focus on QuickTime's MPEG-4 implementation. Topics include audio, video, and systems technologies in QuickTime 6, interoperability, and future directions in the MPEG-4 space
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Now. Let us guess what SJ will talk about in Key note.
<a href="http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/apr/15wwdc.html"; target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/apr/15wwdc.html</a>;
Think about this, After APPLE changed the OS, All of Hardware can be change without any program modification, if Software followed APPLE's Guideline with OS X.
Now Hardware change is very simmple.
Can this happen with M$ Window ?
See ya again.
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Well ? what do you think ?
1. 64-bit PCI
2. standard Apple PRAM battery
3. ADC power slot
4. Apple processor card LIF slot (nit pickers!)
5. Apple speaker minijack
[ 05-03-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
[ 05-02-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</p>
<strong>Where's the airport slot? Bluetooth?
[ 05-02-2002: Message edited by: Nostradamus ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Airport connector is up and left of the PRAM battery.
<strong>SkullMac, that only vaguely resembles an AirPort slot. The AirPort card would have to hang off the edge of the PCB.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That slot's definitely the AirPort slot. If you look at the current G4 motherboards, the slot is also on the edge of the motherboard, with the card "hanging off the edge of the PCB". The current G4s have a metal bracket that is not part of the motherboard, which holds the AirPort card in place.
<strong>Perhaps the board was designed so that an Airport card can be inserted from the "front" of the case ala the new eMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That is what it looks like to me too. Notice the 3 IDE connectors, 1 for CD and zip and the other two for RAID I guess.
<strong>Okay, I am confused.
128bit data paths * 133MHz * 2(for DDR) / 8 bits (8 bits per byte) = 4.266GB/sec
</strong><hr></blockquote>
It said "full 128-bit internal data paths" ... this has always been true of the G4. The bus is only 64-bits wide, however.
The bus clock is 133 MHz but transfers on the leading and trailing clock edges, which is often referred to as 266 MHz DDR... technically incorrect. Actual throughput should be a little more than 2 GBytes/sec, so the L3 performance is still better -- not to mention its better latency.
The auction has been pulled, and ebay even issued a statement about it (in a macnn forum), about it being requested to be pulled etc! There's your "REMOVED AT THE REQUEST OF APPLE LEGAL"!!
I'm sorry, but its gotta be true. Remember the cube rumors, all pulled at apple's request
It seems cool. Looks like 2 800mbps FW2 and a 1600mbps fibre port on that sucker. DDR RAM with 4 slots will be nice, back to 2GB (any word on 1GB DDR modules?)
/awaits MWNY!
<strong>
4. Apple processor card ZIF slot
</strong><hr></blockquote>
That is a LIF socket. (Low Insertion Force)
The following listing:
2020903080 - Apple G4 Quicksilver 2002 Server Logic Board
was ended early by eBay for a listing violation. A Verified Rights Owner, such as a copyright, trademark, or patent owner, notified eBay that the item or material contained in the listing infringes its intellectual property rights. eBay takes no position on the authenticity or authorized nature of such items, but we take appropriate action when requested by a Verified Rights Owner. Since the listing was ended early, you as a bidder are not required to complete the transaction. Sellers that feel their listings may have been ended in error have the opportunity to get in touch with the relevant person or company or contact eBay.
So it seems this is the real deal. I don't think the seller (who said he was selling it for someone else) is really technically savy and he seems to have cut and paste a lot of the info from the current PowerMac specs. Don't expect the info to be 100% accurate. I mean, how could they think they could get away with this in the first place?
<strong>
That slot's definitely the AirPort slot. If you look at the current G4 motherboards, the slot is also on the edge of the motherboard, with the card "hanging off the edge of the PCB". The current G4s have a metal bracket that is not part of the motherboard, which holds the AirPort card in place.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ah, so it is. It's funny how I never noticed that on my own computer.
<strong>(any word on 1GB DDR modules?)</strong><hr></blockquote>
yup, there _are_ 1 and 2 gb DDR modules made by Infineon I think, but are so expensive that only bad ass server companies could afford them ($2k for 1 gb I think)
Here is the breakdown of what all the things are on the red G4. As far as I can tell, the only differences are the addition of the 4th RAM slot, a 3rd IDE socket (possibly a seperate 3rd IDE bus) and undetermined ?? slot, probably gigawire, or whatever.
I should point out that the processor connection is NOT a ZIF, but appears to be identical to the standard Apple currently uses for the G4's.
The only thing I am not certain on is the location of the power connector for the motherboard. By process of elimination I located it at the top right next to the 2 IDE connectors. The only reason I question this is because it is not clear and it doesn't seem to be quite large enough.
It does makes sense though that all the cables are located along the same edge of the motherboard, which would be where the hinge of the door that it mounts on would be located as well. From that assumption I can go a step further and suggest that based on the location of those connections that the PCI slots will be located at the top of the case when it is closed, which means a major redesign of the internals of the case are in order .
One can easily see how this motherboard would simply not work on a current G3/G4 tower. If any cards were installed at that location, the case could not be closed, the cards would hit the power supply (in the current location) long before the door closed.
The area where the processor would be located will be filled by the usual massive heat sink, which means that the space inside the case will have to remain open to accomodate that.
The space that remains is in the shape of a large L, running from the lithium battery, to the corner where the 2 IDE connectors are, down to the other singe IDE connector. This space must accomodate the Power Supply, Hard Drives, DVD drive and ZIP drive (if that is still to be used). By tradition, the power supply must be located at the rear of the machine, which would occuply the space underneath the heatsink when the case is closed. It would seem that the only possible location for the long DVD drive would be at some point from below the 4 RAM slots to the hinge edge of the motherboard. The shorter ZIP drive could fit above that as is the current practice. That means the hard drives will remain on the bottom of the case, but this time they will be in the middle to the front of the case, instead of at the back below the current power supply location.
Leave some room for the front panel and speaker, and this is what you get:
All this information is just me making educated guesses. What do you think??
-Mike BW