okay assuming the worst and there is NO stream for the WWDC keynote... are there any backup plans? is anyone here going to the keynote? do any of you have a lappy? how about a cell phone with a camera moto 720 users?
Well, I'll be there, as usual. I've got a cell phone with a camera, but there usually isn't any AirPort access inside the conference rooms (just out in the hallways/lounges/etc.), so I wouldn't be able to send any pictures during the keynote anyways. Besides, I want to bask in the RDF during the keynote, not snap pictures of every slide.
BS! That's all I can say. If Apple, and at least one other developer is going to demo just some of the things that I think they will. Steve Job's will have that Keynote streaming online for the world to watch.
On June 9, 1995, a federal judge gave IBM permission to file a motion to end a 1956 consent decree. The decree, which followed an antitrust case, limited the ways in which the company could sell computers. The company argued that the computer industry had changed dramatically in the thirty-eight years since the decree was imposed. IBM argued that the terms of the agreement created higher computer prices for consumers.
Well, I'll be there, as usual. I've got a cell phone with a camera, but there usually isn't any AirPort access inside the conference rooms (just out in the hallways/lounges/etc.), so I wouldn't be able to send any pictures during the keynote anyways. Besides, I want to bask in the RDF during the keynote, not snap pictures of every slide.
Airport? You're holding a phone. Phones can, among other things, send messages :P
I wonder if that update to Quicktime would let you connect your phone over the airwaves to a Mac running Quicktime Streaming Server... That might work. Any volunteers with a 3G phone?
There was star office talk last year. I dunno what came of that, if Apple used the open source to sort out the mandatory "Office" compatibility that such a suite would need.
The way mail, iCal, Safari, and now Keynote have been rolled out leads me to think that Apple is slowly putting together, app by app, a complete Office killer. But they may hold onto it to see what M$ does first. "Document" would be a great addition, something to include free of charge with every and any mac sold. A good WP should really be a standard offering on just about any computer, "AppleWorks" doesn't cut it. "Document-Works" just might, that is, a great WP tied to a basic spreadsheet/DB.
Yes matsu but you are forgetting something!!!!!! Holy crap I just decided to install dev tools yesterday as it was sitting in Applications waiting to be installed, and guess what!!! They ported SimpleText to MacOS X!! Yeeahh!!! Now how needs Office!
There was star office talk last year. I dunno what came of that, if Apple used the open source to sort out the mandatory "Office" compatibility that such a suite would need.(snip)
Matsu I completely agree with you. In addition, I would love to see Apple advance the Bochs X86 open source emulator. Apple has been on a "lets optomize and use opensource code and recontribute it to the community" lately and it would only make sense with the recent acquisition of VPC by MS and the legal wall stopping FWB (for now)... the window is open for Apple to make a X86 emu with the 970 in mind.
Apple Computer Inc. is nearing the release of desktop systems featuring IBM's 64-bit PowerPC 970 chip, sources report?but a 64-bit version of Mac OS X may lag behind by a month or two.
Sources said that the IBM chip will make its first appearance in a new Power Mac known internally as Q37. However, sources said, Q37 won't ship with a 64-bit version of Mac OS X, limiting OS performance gains in the initial release. Instead, Q37 will launch with a special build train of the current Mac OS X Version 10.2, a k a Jaguar.
This build, code-named Smeagol, will run on the new chip but won't take advantage of many of its key features, including 64-bit support. Sources said Apple's goal for Smeagol is to deliver Mac OS X performance at least "on par" with what Jaguar could achieve on Motorola G4 chips running at the same speed; the move will allow Apple to ship the new hardware before Mac OS X 10.3, a k a Panther, can take advantage of all the new processor's capabilities.
Even before Panther ships, early adopters of the new Mac system should also apparently be able to take advantage of the new processor's fast new front-side bus and cache.
Part of the issue with OS compatibility lies with Mac OS X's compiler, GCC 3, which lacks scheduling support for the PowerPC 970. Apple and IBM are reportedly working to add 970-specific support to the latest version, GCC 3.3. The development effort is proceeding well, sources report, but the compiler isn't yet ready for full use.
While Smeagol will be built using GCC 3.1, Apple plans to compile Mac OS X 10.3 with GCC 3.3. Apple has said it will show off Panther later in June at the Worldwide Developers Conference in San Francisco, an event which sources said will also mark Apple's first discussions of the PowerPC 970; it's unclear whether a developer preview will include support for the new chip. Apple does, however, plan to release a 64-bit version of the OS when it ships in September, according to sources
Since the PowerPC 970 is backward-compatible with 32-bit code written for the G4, Apple intends to release Smeagol to fill Q37's software bill until Panther ships, sources said.
Apple's current plans call for wrapping up development of Smeagol within a month or so of WWDC, suggesting that Q37 may ship by August; however, sources were unable to confirm specifics of Apple's release schedule.
Meanwhile, resellers told eWEEK that current models of the Power Mac G4 are becoming constrained in the retail channel, indicating that new pro hardware models are on the way.
eWEEK sources first reported in August 2002 that the Mac maker was working with IBM Microelectronics on the 64-bit PowerPC processor, dubbed the GigaProcessor Ultralite (GPUL). IBM unveiled the chip in October at the annual Microprocessor Forum in San Jose, Calif., at speeds up to 1.8 GHz. Neither Apple nor IBM have commented publicly on whether Apple plans to adopt the chip in its hardware lineup.
The PowerPC 970 shares technology with IBM's Power4 server chip and inherits many of its performance advantages, but is more compact. The chip also supports Vector/SIMD Multimedia Extensions (VMX), a group of 162 instructions that speed data processing and algorithmic-intensive tasks, such as multimedia creation and display.
IBM has said VMX is identical to Motorola's Altivec multimedia acceleration, marketed as Velocity Engine by Apple. Apple and IBM are also reportedly tailoring the chip for a new high-frequency, point-to-point Mac bus dubbed ApplePI, short for Apple Processor Interconnect, that Apple plans to use as a replacement for its current MaxBus.
Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple did not immediately respond to requests for comment on the reports.
I'd read it earlier on eWeek, and this part intrested me:
Quote:
Apple and IBM are also reportedly tailoring the chip for a new high-frequency, point-to-point Mac bus dubbed ApplePI, short for Apple Processor Interconnect, that Apple plans to use as a replacement for its current MaxBus.
So in other words, ApplePI is Apple's way around the fact that GigaBus isn't shared, like MaxBus is.
Clarification at last!
Well, maybe. I suppose the bus would attach to the 970's companion chip?
This build, code-named Smeagol, will run on the new chip but won't take advantage of many of its key features, including 64-bit support. Sources said Apple's goal for Smeagol is to deliver Mac OS X performance at least "on par" with what Jaguar could achieve on Motorola G4 chips running at the same speed;...
Even before Panther ships, early adopters of the new Mac system should also apparently be able to take advantage of the new processor's fast new front-side bus and cache.
On par?? Shouldn't the aforementioned front-side bus/cache/RAM/ system bus offer skull-crushing performance without Panther?
That second paragraph makes me question whether the author truly understands what Panther offers versus what the hardware offers on its own.
yea i though that sounded weird too, probably just a mistake. cuz he then says this
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ven before Panther ships, early adopters of the new Mac system should also apparently be able to take advantage of the new processor's fast new front-side bus and cache.
This build, code-named Smeagol, will run on the new chip but won't take advantage of many of its key features, including 64-bit support. Sources said Apple's goal for Smeagol is to deliver Mac OS X performance at least "on par" with what Jaguar could achieve on Motorola G4 chips running at the same speed
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Originally posted by sCreeD
On par?? Shouldn't the aforementioned front-side bus/cache/RAM/ system bus offer skull-crushing performance without Panther? [/B]
Agreed, Rothenberg seems uncharacteristically hung up on 64 bit and borderline ignorant of the 970 architecture. Disappointing.
Hey Matt, 64 bit won't make a bit of difference to 99.9% of users. Stop hatin' on poor Smeagol.
Naw, this sounds reasonable. The scheduler is an extremely important and CPU-specific portion of the compiler. It's what ensures that you don't get too many bubbles in a pipeline.
The 970's pipeline architecture is quite different than the G{3,4}, and it's easy to believe that bad scheduling based on G4 specs would lead to really really poor performance by the 970. Relatively speaking, of course.
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I was just looking at the Session calendar (why arn't they using iCal?) and there are only 7 hardware tracks and 17 to be announced tracks...
I don't know...something just tells me we will not hear anything...
Originally posted by Jared
You know guys I really do not see a 970 coming out at WWDC or even announced. The technology talked about in some of the developer sessions? Maybe.
I was just looking at the Session calendar (why arn't they using iCal?) and there are only 7 hardware tracks and 17 to be announced tracks...
I don't know...something just tells me we will not hear anything...
And just what do you think will fill 17 TBA tracks?
Originally posted by Paul
okay assuming the worst and there is NO stream for the WWDC keynote... are there any backup plans? is anyone here going to the keynote? do any of you have a lappy? how about a cell phone with a camera
Well, I'll be there, as usual. I've got a cell phone with a camera, but there usually isn't any AirPort access inside the conference rooms (just out in the hallways/lounges/etc.), so I wouldn't be able to send any pictures during the keynote anyways. Besides, I want to bask in the RDF during the keynote, not snap pictures of every slide.
I am starting to get excited!!!!!!!
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Ohhh, the fashion calamity!
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On June 9, 1995, a federal judge gave IBM permission to file a motion to end a 1956 consent decree. The decree, which followed an antitrust case, limited the ways in which the company could sell computers. The company argued that the computer industry had changed dramatically in the thirty-eight years since the decree was imposed. IBM argued that the terms of the agreement created higher computer prices for consumers.
Originally posted by King Chung Huang
Well, I'll be there, as usual. I've got a cell phone with a camera, but there usually isn't any AirPort access inside the conference rooms (just out in the hallways/lounges/etc.), so I wouldn't be able to send any pictures during the keynote anyways. Besides, I want to bask in the RDF during the keynote, not snap pictures of every slide.
Airport? You're holding a phone. Phones can, among other things, send messages :P
I wonder if that update to Quicktime would let you connect your phone over the airwaves to a Mac running Quicktime Streaming Server... That might work. Any volunteers with a 3G phone?
Amorya
The way mail, iCal, Safari, and now Keynote have been rolled out leads me to think that Apple is slowly putting together, app by app, a complete Office killer. But they may hold onto it to see what M$ does first. "Document" would be a great addition, something to include free of charge with every and any mac sold. A good WP should really be a standard offering on just about any computer, "AppleWorks" doesn't cut it. "Document-Works" just might, that is, a great WP tied to a basic spreadsheet/DB.
Originally posted by Matsu
There was star office talk last year. I dunno what came of that, if Apple used the open source to sort out the mandatory "Office" compatibility that such a suite would need.(snip)
Matsu I completely agree with you. In addition, I would love to see Apple advance the Bochs X86 open source emulator. Apple has been on a "lets optomize and use opensource code and recontribute it to the community" lately and it would only make sense with the recent acquisition of VPC by MS and the legal wall stopping FWB (for now)... the window is open for Apple to make a X86 emu with the 970 in mind.
A@ron
64-Bit Macs May Outpace 'Panther'
By_Nick Ciarelli and Matthew Rothenberg
Apple Computer Inc. is nearing the release of desktop systems featuring IBM's 64-bit PowerPC 970 chip, sources report?but a 64-bit version of Mac OS X may lag behind by a month or two.
Sources said that the IBM chip will make its first appearance in a new Power Mac known internally as Q37. However, sources said, Q37 won't ship with a 64-bit version of Mac OS X, limiting OS performance gains in the initial release. Instead, Q37 will launch with a special build train of the current Mac OS X Version 10.2, a k a Jaguar.
This build, code-named Smeagol, will run on the new chip but won't take advantage of many of its key features, including 64-bit support. Sources said Apple's goal for Smeagol is to deliver Mac OS X performance at least "on par" with what Jaguar could achieve on Motorola G4 chips running at the same speed; the move will allow Apple to ship the new hardware before Mac OS X 10.3, a k a Panther, can take advantage of all the new processor's capabilities.
Even before Panther ships, early adopters of the new Mac system should also apparently be able to take advantage of the new processor's fast new front-side bus and cache.
Part of the issue with OS compatibility lies with Mac OS X's compiler, GCC 3, which lacks scheduling support for the PowerPC 970. Apple and IBM are reportedly working to add 970-specific support to the latest version, GCC 3.3. The development effort is proceeding well, sources report, but the compiler isn't yet ready for full use.
While Smeagol will be built using GCC 3.1, Apple plans to compile Mac OS X 10.3 with GCC 3.3. Apple has said it will show off Panther later in June at the Worldwide Developers Conference in San Francisco, an event which sources said will also mark Apple's first discussions of the PowerPC 970; it's unclear whether a developer preview will include support for the new chip. Apple does, however, plan to release a 64-bit version of the OS when it ships in September, according to sources
Since the PowerPC 970 is backward-compatible with 32-bit code written for the G4, Apple intends to release Smeagol to fill Q37's software bill until Panther ships, sources said.
Apple's current plans call for wrapping up development of Smeagol within a month or so of WWDC, suggesting that Q37 may ship by August; however, sources were unable to confirm specifics of Apple's release schedule.
Meanwhile, resellers told eWEEK that current models of the Power Mac G4 are becoming constrained in the retail channel, indicating that new pro hardware models are on the way.
eWEEK sources first reported in August 2002 that the Mac maker was working with IBM Microelectronics on the 64-bit PowerPC processor, dubbed the GigaProcessor Ultralite (GPUL). IBM unveiled the chip in October at the annual Microprocessor Forum in San Jose, Calif., at speeds up to 1.8 GHz. Neither Apple nor IBM have commented publicly on whether Apple plans to adopt the chip in its hardware lineup.
The PowerPC 970 shares technology with IBM's Power4 server chip and inherits many of its performance advantages, but is more compact. The chip also supports Vector/SIMD Multimedia Extensions (VMX), a group of 162 instructions that speed data processing and algorithmic-intensive tasks, such as multimedia creation and display.
IBM has said VMX is identical to Motorola's Altivec multimedia acceleration, marketed as Velocity Engine by Apple. Apple and IBM are also reportedly tailoring the chip for a new high-frequency, point-to-point Mac bus dubbed ApplePI, short for Apple Processor Interconnect, that Apple plans to use as a replacement for its current MaxBus.
Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple did not immediately respond to requests for comment on the reports.
I'd read it earlier on eWeek, and this part intrested me:
Apple and IBM are also reportedly tailoring the chip for a new high-frequency, point-to-point Mac bus dubbed ApplePI, short for Apple Processor Interconnect, that Apple plans to use as a replacement for its current MaxBus.
So in other words, ApplePI is Apple's way around the fact that GigaBus isn't shared, like MaxBus is.
Clarification at last!
Well, maybe. I suppose the bus would attach to the 970's companion chip?
Early September minus two months equals late June, Q.E.D.
Screed
CONFIRMED!!!
so is this why golum named smeagol is on the top menubar of AI?
This build, code-named Smeagol, will run on the new chip but won't take advantage of many of its key features, including 64-bit support. Sources said Apple's goal for Smeagol is to deliver Mac OS X performance at least "on par" with what Jaguar could achieve on Motorola G4 chips running at the same speed;...
Even before Panther ships, early adopters of the new Mac system should also apparently be able to take advantage of the new processor's fast new front-side bus and cache.
On par?? Shouldn't the aforementioned front-side bus/cache/RAM/ system bus offer skull-crushing performance without Panther?
That second paragraph makes me question whether the author truly understands what Panther offers versus what the hardware offers on its own.
Screed
ven before Panther ships, early adopters of the new Mac system should also apparently be able to take advantage of the new processor's fast new front-side bus and cache.
This build, code-named Smeagol, will run on the new chip but won't take advantage of many of its key features, including 64-bit support. Sources said Apple's goal for Smeagol is to deliver Mac OS X performance at least "on par" with what Jaguar could achieve on Motorola G4 chips running at the same speed
Originally posted by sCreeD
On par?? Shouldn't the aforementioned front-side bus/cache/RAM/ system bus offer skull-crushing performance without Panther? [/B]
Agreed, Rothenberg seems uncharacteristically hung up on 64 bit and borderline ignorant of the 970 architecture. Disappointing.
Hey Matt, 64 bit won't make a bit of difference to 99.9% of users. Stop hatin' on poor Smeagol.
The 970's pipeline architecture is quite different than the G{3,4}, and it's easy to believe that bad scheduling based on G4 specs would lead to really really poor performance by the 970. Relatively speaking, of course.