[quote]I do not think I need to remind you what happens to people here when they come here predicting this and that and it turns out they were yanking our chains...for your sake of course. <hr></blockquote>
Well at least you didn't tell him how nice his family is.....for his sake.
I'm starting to wonder if Apple may pull a Pismo/iBook situation here. If supplies from Mot are as tight as they seem and have been in the past then it may make more sense for Apple to announce these at MWTK. What I mean by iBook/Pismo is that when the iBooks were bumped to the Lime Green color, they were actually faster than the Powerbook at the time, just a slower bus. Apple bumped the Powerbook hard drive sizes and bundled iMovie2 with it to try and make the difference up. Could Apple actually do this again with the iMac / Powermac?
For once I am just very uncertain of a Powermac bump at MWSF. With Apple's track record this year it's obvious they are trying to prevent the "people stop buying hardware a month or more before a show" syndrome. Plus shouldn't we be seeing by now a shortened supply of Powermacs in the channel?
Well, that's why we're here </strong><hr></blockquote>
My post was in reply to an aggressive poster threatening another post because of predictions. Predictions and rumors are for fun, not to be taken too seriously.
Bodhi, the iBook never outperformed the PowerBook. The Pismo G3s came out at MWT 2000 in Feb. running at 400 and 500 MHz. The key lime iBooks didn't come out until Apple Expo Paris in the Fall, and they topped out at 466 MHz.
In no way did I threaten anyone because of rumors, nor did I threaten anyone at all. Has anyone ever been misconstrued over email or AOL IM? Someone thought you said something that you didn't say at all, but they read it the wrong way and BAM you are accused of something? I was just telling Tiger about how some people that used to be on this board way back in the day were ridiculed for BSing about rumors, that is all. I have been a member of AI since the begininng of 1999 and have no history of this whatsoever. Jesus, give it a break. You read something wrong, let it go! Talk about taking something too seriously...it came across wrong. MOVE ON.....
Aggressive poster....me....Hilarious! KidRed to the rescue!
In no way did I threaten anyone because of rumors, nor did I threaten anyone at all. Has anyone ever been misconstrued over email or AOL IM? Someone thought you said something that you didn't say at all, but they read it the wrong way and BAM you are accused of something? I was just telling Tiger about how some people that used to be on this board way back in the day were ridiculed for BSing about rumors, that is all. I have been a member of AI since the begininng of 1999 and have no history of this whatsoever. Jesus, give it a break. You read something wrong, let it go! Talk about taking something too seriously...it came across wrong. MOVE ON.....
Aggressive poster....me....Hilarious! KidRed to the rescue!
Yep, that's me You tell someone to watch what happens to someone and yea, I guess it comes off as a threat. You move on. Someone misread my post as you seem to claim about yours and I was clarifying it. So, get a grip, deal with it, we all read things differently and that's what the smiles are for. I saw none in your post so I didn't misread anything, you mis- wrote it. If i assuse you, you will know
So, when ever you are ready, we ALL can move on <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
No way is 1.4GHz a huge jump. Maybe in terms of the PowerMac speed but for a radically different processor it's mild. It's 10-14 stage pipeline (no one has concrete info on this). That's already a huge jump from the 7 stage of the 7450. And some people can overclock those to 1GHz! Add to that the fact that it will be made using SOI on a 130nm process and 1.4GHz seems absolutely mild. But it is a new process and there is bound to be glitches. So maybe 1.4GHz is a good top end ofr now but it should quickly scale to 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0GHz as the process matures. By MWNY 2002 (if they DO release the G5 this winter) they should have 1.4, 1.6, and 1.8 in their line up.
I prefer to do not see G5 in january if it is to say that you can buy it one in march, we see this for the 7450 one time it's enough.
It is strange to consider that in january a new chip made for the first time from Mot with SOI like the appolo will be consider to a chip for the cheaper macs. In the future why not, but now ...
There is chance that the chip for i mac will be the sahara from IBM, and not a G4 anyway.
The G5 is on the way, but i guess january is a little short for this kind of happening. The appolo chip is not even noticed on the Motorola site, it would be a merry christmas if we see in junuary G5 for power mac, and G4 appolo for I mac. Like everyone here i would not be desapointed if such a chip was launched, but the problem with mervellous dream is to wake-up.
[quote]The reason 1.6 GHz may be out of the question is apparently due to Apple's lack of trust that Motorola can provide sufficient quantities in time to ship the G5. <hr></blockquote>
<strong>Bodhi, the iBook never outperformed the PowerBook. The Pismo G3s came out at MWT 2000 in Feb. running at 400 and 500 MHz. The key lime iBooks didn't come out until Apple Expo Paris in the Fall, and they topped out at 466 MHz.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes they topped out at 466 while the Pismo was 400MHz, and the iBook was hundreds cheaper. People thought that Apple would never do anything like that but they did. My point being that the fact that iMacs are coming in Jan. doesn't necessarily mean we will see updated Powermacs. Apple could very well do exactly what they did with the Powerbook G4, do not increase processor speed, just go from a G3 to a G4.
I agree that the G5 in all probability will not be ready for MWSF in Jan., but if you read the article and especially the post by Ed M. it gives the most detailed history I've seen concerning the rumors and facts surrounding the G5.
Worth it to just copy Ed M.'s post to have easy access to the URL's.
That said, I wouldn't be disappointed to be completely wrong and the G5 come out in Jan.
Regardless, I'm up to $1630 and will be buying a new computer in Jan. I have been putting away $5 -$10 a week away for a LONG LONG LONG time to accumalate the money.
Ok Bodhi, I understand now. I thought you meant the fastest PowerBook was 400 MHz.
I still think though that we will see new PowerMacs as well. It's been 6 months since each line has had an update and all the portables were just updated.
I hope you are right I just hope that Apple doesn't take the "we are doing things differently" approach and not update the Powermacs like everyone expects. I am getting ready to put my Powermac up for sale and I do not want to be stuck without a machine for a long time.
Over the last few years, the surest indicator that new products were coming out has been watching the "special deals" at the Apple Store. The last month or so before release of a new product, they always run these to clean out the inventory channels.
Current specials at the Apple Store:
Free printer with iMac.
$500 off a monitor with a PowerMac.
Double RAM offer on PowerBook.
Additionally, Apple is offering 180 days free financing on all products.
All this points to major inventory clearage, and new PMs, PBs, and iMacs in January. Exactly what the new models will be, I don't care to guess (although I'm am desperately hoping for G5 PMs). I'm planning my budget for a new CPU come next month. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
It could also mean trying to move inventory in December during an industry slow down, too.
Other than increasing megahurtsogood and an iMac revision, I am hoping for more in the appliance line myself. MPEG4 and a handheld QT player need to get in the mix soon.
I think you're right-on for the most part, ChemNerd. However, I think that the "free memory" promotion for the PowerBooks is really more of a clever way of marketing the increased memory on the new models -- it's been like that since their introduction.
Gimme my new iMacs and towers! (Well, I really only want a tower, but I wouldn't turn an iMac down if you wanted to give it to me. )
It could also mean trying to move inventory in December during an industry slow down, too.
Other than increasing megahurtsogood and an iMac revision, I am hoping for more in the appliance line myself. MPEG4 and a handheld QT player need to get in the mix soon.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That certainly is possible (and I never ignore the possiblility that I'm completely full of it... ).
I would tend to agree if this were going on in September. However, the correlation is too good for me to discount it. *Every* time they have introduced a major revision to a product line, it is *always* preceded by a month of specials on the current model. Given that MWSF is a traditional venue for new product intros, it seems a reasonable conclusion at this point.
As a corollary, I would not expect a major change to the iBook for the same reason. Maybe a speed bump (perhaps this is where the "Sahara" chip is going), but no major architecture changes.
I am with you in being hopeful that there will be more appliances. Since they're new, I don't have any tea leaves to read about them, but the iPod is obviously meant to be more that a deluxe MP3 player. It would be reasonable to follow it up with more "digital hub" devices in January.
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Well at least you didn't tell him how nice his family is.....for his sake.
For once I am just very uncertain of a Powermac bump at MWSF. With Apple's track record this year it's obvious they are trying to prevent the "people stop buying hardware a month or more before a show" syndrome. Plus shouldn't we be seeing by now a shortened supply of Powermacs in the channel?
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Well, that's why we're here
My post was in reply to an aggressive poster threatening another post because of predictions. Predictions and rumors are for fun, not to be taken too seriously.
In no way did I threaten anyone because of rumors, nor did I threaten anyone at all. Has anyone ever been misconstrued over email or AOL IM? Someone thought you said something that you didn't say at all, but they read it the wrong way and BAM you are accused of something? I was just telling Tiger about how some people that used to be on this board way back in the day were ridiculed for BSing about rumors, that is all. I have been a member of AI since the begininng of 1999 and have no history of this whatsoever. Jesus, give it a break. You read something wrong, let it go! Talk about taking something too seriously...it came across wrong. MOVE ON.....
Aggressive poster....me....Hilarious!
[ 12-10-2001: Message edited by: Bodhi ]</p>
<strong>KidRed and EVERYONE -
In no way did I threaten anyone because of rumors, nor did I threaten anyone at all. Has anyone ever been misconstrued over email or AOL IM? Someone thought you said something that you didn't say at all, but they read it the wrong way and BAM you are accused of something? I was just telling Tiger about how some people that used to be on this board way back in the day were ridiculed for BSing about rumors, that is all. I have been a member of AI since the begininng of 1999 and have no history of this whatsoever. Jesus, give it a break. You read something wrong, let it go! Talk about taking something too seriously...it came across wrong. MOVE ON.....
Aggressive poster....me....Hilarious!
[ 12-10-2001: Message edited by: Bodhi ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yep, that's me
So, when ever you are ready, we ALL can move on <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
I know how that is when people take something you say online the wrong way, my girlfriend does.
Anywayz I'll try to update.
<a href="http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/15194.html"; target="_blank">http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/15194.html</a>;
If anything, one of the replies in the forum had an outstanding review of rumors and facts by Ed M.
<a href="http://www.osopinion.com/cgi-bin/w3t4/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=talkbackforum&Number=23 354&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5#Post23354" target="_blank">http:/ /www.osopinion.com/cgi-bin/w3t4/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=talkbackforum&Number=23 354&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5#Post23354</a>
[ 12-10-2001: Message edited by: rickag ]</p>
<strong>Any one seen the latest article @ OsOpinion by Kelly McNeil
<a href="http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/15194.html"; target="_blank">http://www.osopinion.com/perl/story/15194.html</a>;
If anything, one of the replies in the forum had an outstanding review of rumors and facts by Ed M.
<a href="http://www.osopinion.com/cgi-bin/w3t4/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=talkbackforum&Number=23 354&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5#Post23354" target="_blank">http:/ /www.osopinion.com/cgi-bin/w3t4/showthreaded.pl?Cat=&Board=talkbackforum&Number=23 354&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5#Post23354</a>
[ 12-10-2001: Message edited by: rickag ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
I prefer to do not see G5 in january if it is to say that you can buy it one in march, we see this for the 7450 one time it's enough.
It is strange to consider that in january a new chip made for the first time from Mot with SOI like the appolo will be consider to a chip for the cheaper macs. In the future why not, but now ...
There is chance that the chip for i mac will be the sahara from IBM, and not a G4 anyway.
The G5 is on the way, but i guess january is a little short for this kind of happening. The appolo chip is not even noticed on the Motorola site, it would be a merry christmas if we see in junuary G5 for power mac, and G4 appolo for I mac. Like everyone here i would not be desapointed if such a chip was launched, but the problem with mervellous dream is to wake-up.
[quote]The reason 1.6 GHz may be out of the question is apparently due to Apple's lack of trust that Motorola can provide sufficient quantities in time to ship the G5. <hr></blockquote>
Gee, why would Apple think that?
<strong>Bodhi, the iBook never outperformed the PowerBook. The Pismo G3s came out at MWT 2000 in Feb. running at 400 and 500 MHz. The key lime iBooks didn't come out until Apple Expo Paris in the Fall, and they topped out at 466 MHz.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yes they topped out at 466 while the Pismo was 400MHz, and the iBook was hundreds cheaper. People thought that Apple would never do anything like that but they did. My point being that the fact that iMacs are coming in Jan. doesn't necessarily mean we will see updated Powermacs. Apple could very well do exactly what they did with the Powerbook G4, do not increase processor speed, just go from a G3 to a G4.
I agree that the G5 in all probability will not be ready for MWSF in Jan., but if you read the article and especially the post by Ed M. it gives the most detailed history I've seen concerning the rumors and facts surrounding the G5.
Worth it to just copy Ed M.'s post to have easy access to the URL's.
That said, I wouldn't be disappointed to be completely wrong and the G5 come out in Jan.
Regardless, I'm up to $1630 and will be buying a new computer in Jan. I have been putting away $5 -$10 a week away for a LONG LONG LONG time to accumalate the money.
I still think though that we will see new PowerMacs as well. It's been 6 months since each line has had an update and all the portables were just updated.
I hope you are right I just hope that Apple doesn't take the "we are doing things differently" approach and not update the Powermacs like everyone expects. I am getting ready to put my Powermac up for sale and I do not want to be stuck without a machine for a long time.
Current specials at the Apple Store:
Free printer with iMac.
$500 off a monitor with a PowerMac.
Double RAM offer on PowerBook.
Additionally, Apple is offering 180 days free financing on all products.
All this points to major inventory clearage, and new PMs, PBs, and iMacs in January.
It could also mean trying to move inventory in December during an industry slow down, too.
Other than increasing megahurtsogood and an iMac revision, I am hoping for more in the appliance line myself. MPEG4 and a handheld QT player need to get in the mix soon.
Gimme my new iMacs and towers! (Well, I really only want a tower, but I wouldn't turn an iMac down if you wanted to give it to me.
Alex
<strong>Chemistry Nerd,
It could also mean trying to move inventory in December during an industry slow down, too.
Other than increasing megahurtsogood and an iMac revision, I am hoping for more in the appliance line myself. MPEG4 and a handheld QT player need to get in the mix soon.</strong><hr></blockquote>
That certainly is possible (and I never ignore the possiblility that I'm completely full of it...
I would tend to agree if this were going on in September. However, the correlation is too good for me to discount it. *Every* time they have introduced a major revision to a product line, it is *always* preceded by a month of specials on the current model. Given that MWSF is a traditional venue for new product intros, it seems a reasonable conclusion at this point.
As a corollary, I would not expect a major change to the iBook for the same reason. Maybe a speed bump (perhaps this is where the "Sahara" chip is going), but no major architecture changes.
I am with you in being hopeful that there will be more appliances. Since they're new, I don't have any tea leaves to read about them, but the iPod is obviously meant to be more that a deluxe MP3 player. It would be reasonable to follow it up with more "digital hub" devices in January.
We'll see in a few weeks, anyway.