Oh well. The fickle finger of fate had dried up this thread, as newer (and redundant) speculative threads have made their appearance in front of this one. About 12 hours to go! A friend of mine is heading to an Apple Store tomorrow, credit card in hand. My guess: he'll leave with a G5 PM in his trunk. If I'm lucky (and, at present, I don't believe I am) I'll leave with a 15" AlBook in mine.
When it gets this close to the keynote there is not much more to be said. You just suck it up and wait to see what happens. You say your location is the East Coast. Which Apple Store will you head to? We will try to go to the Palo Alto store if I can get away.
Just remember, Apple is really, really good at keeping a secret. No one expected the 1GHz PB last November. Almost no one expected the 17 inch PB with backlighting last January.
This whole keynote secrecy thing and rumors reminds me of Schrodinger's cat. The state of the cat is unknown till someone looks in the box. We can believe that something like the 970 PB exists right up to the keynote when all the various possibilities are resolved in one reality.
When it gets this close to the keynote there is not much more to be said. You just suck it up and wait to see what happens. You say your location is the East Coast. Which Apple Store will you head to? We will try to go to the Palo Alto store if I can get away.
...This whole keynote secrecy thing and rumors reminds me of Schrodinger's cat. The state of the cat is unknown till someone looks in the box. We can believe that something like the 970 PB exists right up to the keynote when all the various possibilities are resolved in one reality.
He's in Boston; not sure where his is, but I'll be panting somewhere in the viscinity of the SoHo store in Manhattan.
I like the cat analogy. As of now, all speculated Apple products exist. Should I be disappointed when, at the unmasking, they take the PB away from us?
Bummer. The PB didn't appear. The one consolation is that it does seem it will appear soon.
I have been waiting for a few months now for the updated 15" PB, and after reading all the rumor sites I was pretty sure we would know something at WWDC.
Since there was not an announcement, does anyone have a realistic idea of when the 15 Al will appear? The G5's aren?t going to show up until August, and I have a hard time imagining the PB would be updated before December...
If that?s the case I will just buy the current 15". However, I don't want to throw down almost 3K if the updated model is right around the corner.
There's always the "page 2" rumor over at MacRumors claiming an unverifiable/anonymous source that new PowerBooks will be released on Tuesday June 24th at 9 AM PT (Noon ET).
I'm in the same pickle, but after today I feel pretty confident that the G5 isn't going to find its way to the PowerBook at ANY point in 2003. I just don't. Perhaps first quarter of 2004. MAYBE MWSF even? Surely by this time next year.
But if the aluminum 15" PowerBook comes out here in the next few weeks or couple of months, I'm going to get it, knowing that - realistically - it's going to be a great machine (1-1.2GHz, L3 cache, decent bus and graphics, AirPort Extreme, BlueTooth, probably FireWire 800, etc.) and just enjoy it.
I know today's events suddenly somehow make the G4 look like yesterday's fish, but for what I do and want, I'd be more than happy. I'd buy it, use it for a long time and maybe in the autumn/early winter of 2004 (year and a half from now or more), consider getting a G5 model...IF they're out and IF they're reasonably priced and IF they don't burn a hole through my pants when I use it.
In the meantime, bring on the 1GHz+ G4 aluminum PowerBook, Apple, and I'll happily give you $2599 for the effort!
I'm in the same pickle, but after today I feel pretty confident that the G5 isn't going to find its way to the PowerBook at ANY point in 2003. I just don't. Perhaps first quarter of 2004. MAYBE MWSF even? Surely by this time next year.
I agree with you completely. I hope we are wrong, but, after watching the keynote and seeing the G5 machine, the cooling for those chips is serious. I'm not sure that they would be feasible in a powerbook until they drop to 90nm...
There's always the "page 2" rumor over at MacRumors claiming an unverifiable/anonymous source that new PowerBooks will be released on Tuesday June 24th at 9 AM PT (Noon ET).
I think that would take the thunder away from the whole G5 and Panther thing. ALTHOUGH, I'm not quite sure how you'd classify such an announcement. Technically, it's minor enough that it could be done without a big splash because essentially all that's happening is that the 15" is getting a new skin and the same up-to-date features as the 12" and 17". It's really no big surprise and it's not like we don't know what it's going to look like or have on it.
But I still see it in a few weeks, probably on a Tuesday (as usual) and it'll occupy a space on the front page.
If all it's doing is a chassis upgrade and a slight G4 bump, yeah it could be one of those "small" deals/updates. I don't see them making any sort of big splash over it. That would only be if the PowerBook was going to the G5, and that's just not the case IMO.
Still don't think it'll happen tomorrow, but I bet we'll be able to buy new 15" aluminum G4 PowerBooks by mid-July or so.
We should remember that Steve Jobs said that this is the year of the laptop. He wouldn't say that, and then not doing anything about it besides releasing the two different updated versions. If anything, he would have said this is the year of the desktop, and then release the desktop G5, which in itself is a huge feat, especially for Apple. So if you think about it, not hinting at the worlds fastest desktop, and then releasing it, means there must be something as big. It would seem to me that Apple would release the new G5, which would sweep the industry, and then to top it off, release the G5 Powerbook, which would solidify Apple even more. Market share would rise, and Apple would hold the reigns once again, completely both mobile and stationary. There is a reason the 15" is held back, and that is because it would be too expensive to update it and then turn around and update it again with the 970 processor, instead, spend the money you already were going to spend on the update, but go directly into the 970 setup, saving time and expenses. The others had to be built from scratch, so putting the money into it was a given, and gave them a base to sell and introduce stronger laptops, while the time gap was closed between the G4 and the new G5. I suspect (and I only have an idea based on watching Apple and just from Apple's general understanding of it's customers needs) that the revised Powerbook line will appear about the time the new desktops are made available, giving the desktops time to soak in, and then complimenting them with a mobile line to nearly match the desktop line. In addtion, iBooks would then be updated to G4's, giving college students and holiday shoppers plenty of reasons to purchase new macs, while ridding Apple of G3's and closing the large (soon) space between the lines.
I would expect that if Apple can't produce a G5 PowerBook by mid-summer, they'll go ahead and aluminize the 15" with a G4 inside. There are an awful lot of folks waiting to buy a 15" who are afraid to because some kind of update is expected soon.
I kinda think we'll see a full line of G5 PowerBooks in January, '04 or possibly just before the holidays this year. Apple could surprise us much sooner though. As others have said, it's pretty strange that it has taken so long for the 15" to catch up with the other two aluminum models. There could be a big reason.
I was being a little casual when I said the 15 inch Al book would come soon. The only fairly solid evidence I've seen is the article in a Taiwan newspaper recently about some company getting the contract to produce a 15.4 inch laptop for Apple and that shipments would begin in the second half of this year. Pretty vague timing.
All I want is a 15" powerbook, the current one would do me, but I don't see the point in at such a late date then being outdated. I could at least get them cheaper!
Honestly, as stated above, why would apple delay the new 15 update that they have obviously got waiting as they're depleting stocks of the current Ti books unless they're working on a NEW pb, not just an update...
A G5 powerbook... Man, i'd cry!!! I don't want a desktop, and that would easily replace a desktop fo' real!
You know something tells me that we will get a G5 powerbook. I mean they have waited and waited and waited to update the 15". Is it really because they were waiting for availability of a mobile graphics card from ATI?
My take is this: they waited till they announced the G5 in the flagship line, the towers. Apple never seems to release more than one flagship product in one day. They are letting the G5 PowerMac have its day. I mean they made that huge promotional video! So for maximum press exposure, I think they keep it to two things at the most. This event (in my opinion) wouldn't have been successful press-wise if they had:
-the flagship new OS update
-the flagship new PowerMac
-the flagship new PowerBook (the 15" is the flagship one in my opinion)
So if one does exist, they'll send out a press release or a small apple event. This thing isn't getting a revolutionary new case design, it is getting the aluminum casing. The PowerMac has it! So if a G5 powerbook is here we already know what its going to look like, we know the G5 exists now too. So possibly a press event in a week or so isn't that unrealistic.
My other point is this: if they aren't putting in a G5 in a powerbook and planning instead to introduce it in January, then how the heck are they going to fit an even hotter G4 in these laptops??? I mean realistically, I think that 1ghz, in my opinion, probably is the hottest they can get these things into a powerbook. I think we'll see 1.2ghz G5 soon....
the same big reason why we got small speedbump after small speedbump of the G4tower, no speedbumped imac for over 13months, still no new ibook and no new pb 15": buying time
apple wants to be the first to have 64bits computing only (it will take some time but they will). they needed a big leap to start with, so there is space for lower-end (imac etc.) to get a G5 @1.2 or 1.4Ghz. that's why they started with a 1.6Ghz low end.
the only problem is heat, thats why the new powermac is a perforated box. will the imac get a perforated dome for it's cooling? will the powebook get a perforated shell? i don't think so. but cooling is essential.
apple needs the G5 in his powerbook for sure, asap, but it's possible we have to wait till mwsf2004. because of cooling and other enginering problems. but if we have to wait that long i geuss we have the complete pb-line propelled by G5's by then
As I'm sure has been posted elsewhere, it'll probably be the Motorola 7457 (G4+? G4.5?) and not the G5. The skinny from The Register, as alluded to in MacRumors.com.
Fine by me. I just want the friggin' thing already. Apple's trying our collective patience. I may have to fold and get a Vaio.
An Al 15.4" PB with a newer G4 would be great. Of course I would like a G5. But if it is not coming out _right now_ then bring on the G4. A little faster, longer battery life, brighter screen, airport extreme, backlit keyboard, better GPU. I'm ready. I've got the funds. I just need Apple to ship this.
An Al 15.4" PB with a newer G4 would be great. Of course I would like a G5. But if it is not coming out _right now_ then bring on the G4. A little faster, longer battery life, brighter screen, airport extreme, backlit keyboard, better GPU. I'm ready. I've got the funds. I just need Apple to ship this.
Preach on, brother man. I'm starting a new job next month that could really use the help of a PB. Unless the 15" TiBook comes bundled with a dunce cap, I have to wait.
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-K
Just remember, Apple is really, really good at keeping a secret. No one expected the 1GHz PB last November. Almost no one expected the 17 inch PB with backlighting last January.
This whole keynote secrecy thing and rumors reminds me of Schrodinger's cat. The state of the cat is unknown till someone looks in the box. We can believe that something like the 970 PB exists right up to the keynote when all the various possibilities are resolved in one reality.
Originally posted by neutrino23
When it gets this close to the keynote there is not much more to be said. You just suck it up and wait to see what happens. You say your location is the East Coast. Which Apple Store will you head to? We will try to go to the Palo Alto store if I can get away.
...This whole keynote secrecy thing and rumors reminds me of Schrodinger's cat. The state of the cat is unknown till someone looks in the box. We can believe that something like the 970 PB exists right up to the keynote when all the various possibilities are resolved in one reality.
He's in Boston; not sure where his is, but I'll be panting somewhere in the viscinity of the SoHo store in Manhattan.
I like the cat analogy. As of now, all speculated Apple products exist. Should I be disappointed when, at the unmasking, they take the PB away from us?
-K
Originally posted by neutrino23
Bummer. The PB didn't appear. The one consolation is that it does seem it will appear soon.
I have been waiting for a few months now for the updated 15" PB, and after reading all the rumor sites I was pretty sure we would know something at WWDC.
Since there was not an announcement, does anyone have a realistic idea of when the 15 Al will appear? The G5's aren?t going to show up until August, and I have a hard time imagining the PB would be updated before December...
If that?s the case I will just buy the current 15". However, I don't want to throw down almost 3K if the updated model is right around the corner.
Anyone have some advice?
But if the aluminum 15" PowerBook comes out here in the next few weeks or couple of months, I'm going to get it, knowing that - realistically - it's going to be a great machine (1-1.2GHz, L3 cache, decent bus and graphics, AirPort Extreme, BlueTooth, probably FireWire 800, etc.) and just enjoy it.
I know today's events suddenly somehow make the G4 look like yesterday's fish, but for what I do and want, I'd be more than happy. I'd buy it, use it for a long time and maybe in the autumn/early winter of 2004 (year and a half from now or more), consider getting a G5 model...IF they're out and IF they're reasonably priced and IF they don't burn a hole through my pants when I use it.
In the meantime, bring on the 1GHz+ G4 aluminum PowerBook, Apple, and I'll happily give you $2599 for the effort!
Originally posted by pscates
I'm in the same pickle, but after today I feel pretty confident that the G5 isn't going to find its way to the PowerBook at ANY point in 2003. I just don't. Perhaps first quarter of 2004. MAYBE MWSF even? Surely by this time next year.
I agree with you completely. I hope we are wrong, but, after watching the keynote and seeing the G5 machine, the cooling for those chips is serious. I'm not sure that they would be feasible in a powerbook until they drop to 90nm...
That's just my take.
Originally posted by DHagan4755
There's always the "page 2" rumor over at MacRumors claiming an unverifiable/anonymous source that new PowerBooks will be released on Tuesday June 24th at 9 AM PT (Noon ET).
I think that would take the thunder away from the whole G5 and Panther thing. ALTHOUGH, I'm not quite sure how you'd classify such an announcement. Technically, it's minor enough that it could be done without a big splash because essentially all that's happening is that the 15" is getting a new skin and the same up-to-date features as the 12" and 17". It's really no big surprise and it's not like we don't know what it's going to look like or have on it.
But I still see it in a few weeks, probably on a Tuesday (as usual) and it'll occupy a space on the front page.
If all it's doing is a chassis upgrade and a slight G4 bump, yeah it could be one of those "small" deals/updates. I don't see them making any sort of big splash over it. That would only be if the PowerBook was going to the G5, and that's just not the case IMO.
Still don't think it'll happen tomorrow, but I bet we'll be able to buy new 15" aluminum G4 PowerBooks by mid-July or so.
-CFPC
I kinda think we'll see a full line of G5 PowerBooks in January, '04 or possibly just before the holidays this year. Apple could surprise us much sooner though. As others have said, it's pretty strange that it has taken so long for the 15" to catch up with the other two aluminum models. There could be a big reason.
Honestly, as stated above, why would apple delay the new 15 update that they have obviously got waiting as they're depleting stocks of the current Ti books unless they're working on a NEW pb, not just an update...
A G5 powerbook... Man, i'd cry!!! I don't want a desktop, and that would easily replace a desktop fo' real!
My take is this: they waited till they announced the G5 in the flagship line, the towers. Apple never seems to release more than one flagship product in one day. They are letting the G5 PowerMac have its day. I mean they made that huge promotional video! So for maximum press exposure, I think they keep it to two things at the most. This event (in my opinion) wouldn't have been successful press-wise if they had:
-the flagship new OS update
-the flagship new PowerMac
-the flagship new PowerBook (the 15" is the flagship one in my opinion)
So if one does exist, they'll send out a press release or a small apple event. This thing isn't getting a revolutionary new case design, it is getting the aluminum casing. The PowerMac has it! So if a G5 powerbook is here we already know what its going to look like, we know the G5 exists now too. So possibly a press event in a week or so isn't that unrealistic.
My other point is this: if they aren't putting in a G5 in a powerbook and planning instead to introduce it in January, then how the heck are they going to fit an even hotter G4 in these laptops??? I mean realistically, I think that 1ghz, in my opinion, probably is the hottest they can get these things into a powerbook. I think we'll see 1.2ghz G5 soon....
Originally posted by iDave
There could be a big reason.
the same big reason why we got small speedbump after small speedbump of the G4tower, no speedbumped imac for over 13months, still no new ibook and no new pb 15": buying time
apple wants to be the first to have 64bits computing only (it will take some time but they will). they needed a big leap to start with, so there is space for lower-end (imac etc.) to get a G5 @1.2 or 1.4Ghz. that's why they started with a 1.6Ghz low end.
the only problem is heat, thats why the new powermac is a perforated box. will the imac get a perforated dome for it's cooling? will the powebook get a perforated shell? i don't think so. but cooling is essential.
apple needs the G5 in his powerbook for sure, asap, but it's possible we have to wait till mwsf2004. because of cooling and other enginering problems. but if we have to wait that long i geuss we have the complete pb-line propelled by G5's by then
Fine by me. I just want the friggin' thing already. Apple's trying our collective patience. I may have to fold and get a Vaio.
-K
Originally posted by neutrino23
An Al 15.4" PB with a newer G4 would be great. Of course I would like a G5. But if it is not coming out _right now_ then bring on the G4. A little faster, longer battery life, brighter screen, airport extreme, backlit keyboard, better GPU. I'm ready. I've got the funds. I just need Apple to ship this.
Preach on, brother man. I'm starting a new job next month that could really use the help of a PB. Unless the 15" TiBook comes bundled with a dunce cap, I have to wait.
-K