Sorry in advance for not being up on the Panther/970 thing, but it was my understanding that the 970 will support Panther's 64-bit architecture but with work with 32-bit systems like Jaguar. Am I babbling incoherently?
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Originally posted by NETROMac
Apple could probably, and easily, tweak Jagwyre to run on the 970 powermacs for a couple 'o months. That would give us the power we have longed for "some time" now, and the devs a few months to tweak and patch their software for the new os.
btw, thanks for the interesting comments back there (although I do agree with Amorph that, whatever you call the 17" AlBook, there's a 3-tired offering and the 15" is the second tier).
Sorry in advance for not being up on the Panther/970 thing, but it was my understanding that the 970 will support Panther's 64-bit architecture but with work with 32-bit systems like Jaguar. Am I babbling incoherently?
It will work, but it may take some sort of tweaking. The 970 motherboard will likely have new stuff that requires some "hacks" to the kernal and other areas of the os like drivers. This is not due to the 64bitness of the 970 but because of new features of the machine it self, much like when you see specific versions released "pre-officially" for say the new 17" al-book.
It will work, but it may take some sort of tweaking. The 970 motherboard will likely have new stuff that requires some "hacks" to the kernal and other areas of the os like drivers. This is not due to the 64bitness of the 970 but because of new features of the machine it self, much like when you see specific versions released "pre-officially" for say the new 17" al-book.
Kewl.
I just read MacBidouille's benckmark report on the 970 and promtly messed my shorts. If true (if true) I'm one very excited mofo. But I still don't care if the 15" AlBook doesn't have it (which it won't ).
Apple's new Edu promo, "Buy a bundle. And get a bundle back" earns you a $300 rebate when buying any laptop, iPod and Canon printer. It runs all the way to Sept. 27th. Seems like they don't expect to have new models until then.
I'm starting to think they're going to hold pat on all Powerbooks until after the back to school shopping season and then go 970 across the board.
12" 1.2 GHz 970, ATi 9000, light up keyboard
15" 1.4 GHz 970, ATi 9600, AL case
17" 1.4 GHz 970, ATi 9600, AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth cards included
This will give the 970 Power Macs a three month lead from their WWDC announcement and still make it "the year of the laptop."
So it's *confirmed* then. The new PowerBooks are going to be introduced at a special event monday october 29. Better mark our iCals and start saving straight away. Oh, forgot. Already saving up for the new powermacs
I am assuming the "28 June 2003" is a typo for 28 MAY 2003...but anyway, saving face the PowerPage writes....
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Where is the Aluminum PowerBook 15-Inch?
Friday, May 30, 2003
Lando Calrissian
From the Hardware Dept.
The 28 June 2003 potential launch date for the new Aluminum PowerBook 15-inch has come and gone without an announcement, so it appears that there is still enough inventory of existing Titanium PB15s to justify the delay. The big question now becomes timing. Will Steve Jobs wait until WWDC (23-26 June) and break his vow of "not announcing products at WWDC?" Tough to say. The PowerPage is betting on a special event between now and then, Friday the 13th anyone?
Biggest questions are the feature set on the new PB15:
Assumed:
Aluminum enclosure, Bluetooth, AirPort Extreme with antennas in the LCD bezel and FireWire 800.
Questions:
15.4-inch display? (likely), video card? (TBD), Ambient lighting? (not likely), Faster than 1GHz? (not unless they bump the PB17 too - unlikely), PPC970? (not a prayer).
P.S.: I have never heard of the name "Lando" before....
anyone else remove powerpage from their bookmarks? i did, they are getting just to "non believable" to me. that and every article is about a nokia product.and the times you do care to comment on a story there posting scheme always seems to be down.
Sadly, that timeline makes pretty good sense, except that it's hard to accept the same 15" TiBook sitting around for almost a year.
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Originally posted by NETROMac
You mean almost half-a-year
No, almost a full year. The current 15" was introduced in October of 2002.
I just keep thinking why haven't they updated it yet? And I think it's because they're going to update all three at once and they can't do that until September becaue of the 970 Power Mac launch in three weeks. The new Edu rebate lends support to this theory.
Yes, Fred, maybe the .09 part will allow for speeds beyond 1.4, but I'm sure that will have to wait for the rev. B in early 2004.
It will work, but it may take some sort of tweaking. The 970 motherboard will likely have new stuff that requires some "hacks" to the kernal and other areas of the os like drivers. This is not due to the 64bitness of the 970 but because of new features of the machine it self, much like when you see specific versions released "pre-officially" for say the new 17" al-book.
Hmm. Forgot about that. The OS needs to be modified not just for the CPU but for all the other items on the motherboard as well. Presumably if those go into 10.2.x they can easily carry over into Panther.
Hmm. Forgot about that. The OS needs to be modified not just for the CPU but for all the other items on the motherboard as well. Presumably if those go into 10.2.x they can easily carry over into Panther.
Or modifications made to panther can easily be carried over to jaguar if that is needed, and hopefully if will be if the new powermacs are in production right now.
Apple's new Edu promo, "Buy a bundle. And get a bundle back" earns you a $300 rebate when buying any laptop, iPod and Canon printer. It runs all the way to Sept. 27th. Seems like they don't expect to have new models until then.
I'm starting to think they're going to hold pat on all Powerbooks until after the back to school shopping season and then go 970 across the board.
12" 1.2 GHz 970, ATi 9000, light up keyboard
15" 1.4 GHz 970, ATi 9600, AL case
17" 1.4 GHz 970, ATi 9600, AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth cards included
This will give the 970 Power Macs a three month lead from their WWDC announcement and still make it "the year of the laptop."
Unfortunately, this is so. Although this dims hope for a spring/summer 15" AlBoook release date, there still is a chance, man! OK, work with me here.....
What if, just if, the education promo WOULD carry over the release of the new AlBook, but the special discount would not extend to the general public? They'd look (even more) pro-education but still charge full price for the new toy.
Unfortunately, this is so. Although this dims hope for a spring/summer 15" AlBoook release date, there still is a chance, man! OK, work with me here.....
What if, just if, the education promo WOULD carry over the release of the new AlBook, but the special discount would not extend to the general public? They'd look (even more) pro-education but still charge full price for the new toy.
All right, I didn't say it was a good chance... \
-K
I just find it hard to imagine Apple will go nearly a year without refreshing the 15 inch PB.
Also, the EDU promotion is not tied to any particular laptop so I don't see why it couldn't be applied to the new PB as well.
They wouldn't need to have a promo for new laptops, hence no new models until the promo expires.
you're probably right about this one. Apple is obviously trying to get rid of as many laptops as they can before they introduce the 970 powerbook. After that, I can't imagine anyone with their senses intact will purchase an "old" G4 powerbook witout it getting MAJOR price cuts.
I don't think this is a clear out the inventory promo, it's too long. This is more like get as many Apple laptops and more importantly iPods into kids hands as possible before the new school year gets fully underway. The rebate actually just adds a $200 rebate (until 27 Sept) on the iPod on top of the current $100 printer rebate (which expires 28 June). It also says you need a student ID or letter of acceptance--that pretty much limits the audience if it was for an inventory blow-out.
A few good points there AirSluf So with the promo lasting so long, and with so few people actually in the promo target group, could Apple release new hardware and still make people use the promo? Maybe. And it doesn't sound like a very "expensive" promo for Apple either. Their main target right now has to be to get as many computers out there as possible.
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Originally posted by NETROMac
Apple could probably, and easily, tweak Jagwyre to run on the 970 powermacs for a couple 'o months. That would give us the power we have longed for "some time" now, and the devs a few months to tweak and patch their software for the new os.
btw, thanks for the interesting comments back there (although I do agree with Amorph that, whatever you call the 17" AlBook, there's a 3-tired offering and the 15" is the second tier).
-K
Originally posted by Kabeyun
Sorry in advance for not being up on the Panther/970 thing, but it was my understanding that the 970 will support Panther's 64-bit architecture but with work with 32-bit systems like Jaguar. Am I babbling incoherently?
It will work, but it may take some sort of tweaking. The 970 motherboard will likely have new stuff that requires some "hacks" to the kernal and other areas of the os like drivers. This is not due to the 64bitness of the 970 but because of new features of the machine it self, much like when you see specific versions released "pre-officially" for say the new 17" al-book.
Originally posted by NETROMac
It will work, but it may take some sort of tweaking. The 970 motherboard will likely have new stuff that requires some "hacks" to the kernal and other areas of the os like drivers. This is not due to the 64bitness of the 970 but because of new features of the machine it self, much like when you see specific versions released "pre-officially" for say the new 17" al-book.
Kewl.
I just read MacBidouille's benckmark report on the 970 and promtly messed my shorts. If true (if true) I'm one very excited mofo. But I still don't care if the 15" AlBook doesn't have it (which it won't
-K
I'm starting to think they're going to hold pat on all Powerbooks until after the back to school shopping season and then go 970 across the board.
12" 1.2 GHz 970, ATi 9000, light up keyboard
15" 1.4 GHz 970, ATi 9600, AL case
17" 1.4 GHz 970, ATi 9600, AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth cards included
This will give the 970 Power Macs a three month lead from their WWDC announcement and still make it "the year of the laptop."
If the smaller-die (i.e. 90 nm) process 970 is used in these, we could possibly see speeds higher than 1.4, though.
Originally posted by fred_lj
Sadly, that timeline makes pretty good sense, except that it's hard to accept the same 15" TiBook sitting around for almost a year.
You mean almost half-a-year
Where is the Aluminum PowerBook 15-Inch?
Friday, May 30, 2003
Lando Calrissian
From the Hardware Dept.
The 28 June 2003 potential launch date for the new Aluminum PowerBook 15-inch has come and gone without an announcement, so it appears that there is still enough inventory of existing Titanium PB15s to justify the delay. The big question now becomes timing. Will Steve Jobs wait until WWDC (23-26 June) and break his vow of "not announcing products at WWDC?" Tough to say. The PowerPage is betting on a special event between now and then, Friday the 13th anyone?
Biggest questions are the feature set on the new PB15:
Assumed:
Aluminum enclosure, Bluetooth, AirPort Extreme with antennas in the LCD bezel and FireWire 800.
Questions:
15.4-inch display? (likely), video card? (TBD), Ambient lighting? (not likely), Faster than 1GHz? (not unless they bump the PB17 too - unlikely), PPC970? (not a prayer).
P.S.: I have never heard of the name "Lando" before....
You my friend, need to get out more!
Or do I mean get out less?
Hmmmmm.........
Originally posted by fred_lj
Sadly, that timeline makes pretty good sense, except that it's hard to accept the same 15" TiBook sitting around for almost a year.
Originally posted by NETROMac
You mean almost half-a-year
No, almost a full year. The current 15" was introduced in October of 2002.
I just keep thinking why haven't they updated it yet? And I think it's because they're going to update all three at once and they can't do that until September becaue of the 970 Power Mac launch in three weeks. The new Edu rebate lends support to this theory.
Yes, Fred, maybe the .09 part will allow for speeds beyond 1.4, but I'm sure that will have to wait for the rev. B in early 2004.
Originally posted by NETROMac
It will work, but it may take some sort of tweaking. The 970 motherboard will likely have new stuff that requires some "hacks" to the kernal and other areas of the os like drivers. This is not due to the 64bitness of the 970 but because of new features of the machine it self, much like when you see specific versions released "pre-officially" for say the new 17" al-book.
Hmm. Forgot about that. The OS needs to be modified not just for the CPU but for all the other items on the motherboard as well. Presumably if those go into 10.2.x they can easily carry over into Panther.
Originally posted by neutrino23
Hmm. Forgot about that. The OS needs to be modified not just for the CPU but for all the other items on the motherboard as well. Presumably if those go into 10.2.x they can easily carry over into Panther.
Or modifications made to panther can easily be carried over to jaguar if that is needed, and hopefully if will be if the new powermacs are in production right now.
Originally posted by Ensign Pulver
Apple's new Edu promo, "Buy a bundle. And get a bundle back" earns you a $300 rebate when buying any laptop, iPod and Canon printer. It runs all the way to Sept. 27th. Seems like they don't expect to have new models until then.
I'm starting to think they're going to hold pat on all Powerbooks until after the back to school shopping season and then go 970 across the board.
12" 1.2 GHz 970, ATi 9000, light up keyboard
15" 1.4 GHz 970, ATi 9600, AL case
17" 1.4 GHz 970, ATi 9600, AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth cards included
This will give the 970 Power Macs a three month lead from their WWDC announcement and still make it "the year of the laptop."
Unfortunately, this is so. Although this dims hope for a spring/summer 15" AlBoook release date, there still is a chance, man! OK, work with me here.....
What if, just if, the education promo WOULD carry over the release of the new AlBook, but the special discount would not extend to the general public? They'd look (even more) pro-education but still charge full price for the new toy.
All right, I didn't say it was a good chance...
-K
Originally posted by Kabeyun
Unfortunately, this is so. Although this dims hope for a spring/summer 15" AlBoook release date, there still is a chance, man! OK, work with me here.....
What if, just if, the education promo WOULD carry over the release of the new AlBook, but the special discount would not extend to the general public? They'd look (even more) pro-education but still charge full price for the new toy.
All right, I didn't say it was a good chance...
-K
I just find it hard to imagine Apple will go nearly a year without refreshing the 15 inch PB.
Also, the EDU promotion is not tied to any particular laptop so I don't see why it couldn't be applied to the new PB as well.
Originally posted by neutrino23
Also, the EDU promotion is not tied to any particular laptop so I don't see why it couldn't be applied to the new PB as well.
They wouldn't need to have a promo for new laptops, hence no new models until the promo expires.
Originally posted by Ensign Pulver
They wouldn't need to have a promo for new laptops, hence no new models until the promo expires.
you're probably right about this one. Apple is obviously trying to get rid of as many laptops as they can before they introduce the 970 powerbook. After that, I can't imagine anyone with their senses intact will purchase an "old" G4 powerbook witout it getting MAJOR price cuts.
Originally posted by AirSluf
I don't think this is a clear out the inventory promo, it's too long. This is more like get as many Apple laptops and more importantly iPods into kids hands as possible before the new school year gets fully underway. The rebate actually just adds a $200 rebate (until 27 Sept) on the iPod on top of the current $100 printer rebate (which expires 28 June). It also says you need a student ID or letter of acceptance--that pretty much limits the audience if it was for an inventory blow-out.
A few good points there AirSluf