<strong>With the also inevitable die shrink, Motorola will call these G5's even if they are 7470's on a 13 nm scale.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Motorola doesn't call their current processors G4s, so I don't see why they would.
If you want to find the processor shipping in current PowerMacs at mot.com, type in MPC7455. If Mot actually ships the processor you describe above, they'll probably call it the MPC7470.
First I have to say that I'm, for the most part, thoroughly enjoying this thread. All 26 pages.
My concern or question is what will happen with Apple's entire lineup once the PowerMacs get the GPUL processor.
For one, I don't believe there will be a new line of uberworkstations. The PowerMac (once it has POWER) has plenty of opportunity to satisfy both the power user and the professional crowd.
But then there are all the other product lines: PowerMac, iMac both CRT and LCD), eMac, and iBook. I believe all the consumer products would benefit from the G4, however they are already G4 based except the iBook and the CRT iMac.
Here is what I would hope for. Discontinue the original CRT iMac. The new eMac line fills this market space and has more future. Leave the G4 in the LCD iMac, and the eMac. If/when the G4 is manufactured with a .13 process, place it in the iBook.
That leaves the PowerBook. For me the PowerBook is a portable desktop replacement. I do CAD, 3D animation, and all kinds of high end stuff on my PowerBook, including some games. It would be silly to leave the G4 in the PowerBook since the G4 now represents the consumer market. What processor can fill this slot?
Seems like PowerBook users are in more quandry than all other Apple customers. PowerMac users are (relatively) certain that the GPUL will be the next processor. Consumers are already getting and will continue to get the G4. What about us mobile professionals who do alot more that run MS Office.
Hope my market is satisfied with the revisions coming down the line. It certainly is an interesting time to be a Mac Nut.
<strong>Motorola doesn't call their current processors G4s, so I don't see why they would.</strong><hr></blockquote>Sure they do. The 7455 is a chip in the G4 class, and Motorola calls it that all the time. For example, search for "G4" on <a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC7455&nodeId=03M9430304504 67M98653" target="_blank">this page about the 7455</a>.
Well I guess I'm the last member to weigh in on this thread. I'm going to be at the Fairmont Hotel in San Jose October 15th to see and listen to what IBM has to show and say. My best guess is that the answer to the question posed by this thread is . . .
I think that the consensus here is that yes, IBM will be making a chip that finds its way into the powermac line. The debate is about when this will happen. Crazy optimists are pegging late winter/spring, realists are saying late summer/fall, and pessimists are muttering something about 2004. The later two groups are guessing one more stepping from the G4 on the current motherboard with the current FSB, sine motorola will not move Maxbus to DDR. When the IBM processor arrives, it will be in conjunction with a new bus interconnect. The chip controller may be on-die or not, and if not may be a hypertransport derivative called ApplePI.
<strong>I think that the consensus here is that yes, IBM will be making a chip that finds its way into the powermac line. The debate is about when this will happen. Crazy optimists are pegging late winter/spring, realists are saying late summer/fall, and pessimists are muttering something about 2004. The later two groups are guessing one more stepping from the G4 on the current motherboard with the current FSB, sine motorola will not move Maxbus to DDR. When the IBM processor arrives, it will be in conjunction with a new bus interconnect. The chip controller may be on-die or not, and if not may be a hypertransport derivative called ApplePI.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You didn't mention the other group who thinks the IBM G5 is comming next summer/fall and tha the Motorola is coming this winter.
[quote]Stoo, do you have a URL for this quote? <hr></blockquote>
[quote]Don't take everything so literally. I think his tongue was firmly placed in cheek with a very observant comment of his own. <hr></blockquote>
Edit: you can't nest quotes.
Yep, I was just "reading between the lines": IBM announce exactly what Apple needs CPUwise then their news page <a href="http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/viewtypes_linkType~1:type~Type:typeId~2_ 4_1_2.shtml" target="_blank">links</a> to articles suggesting Apple will use it. They can't announce it before Apple because that would kill PowerMac sales for months.
I haven't been keeping up with this thread, so please forgive me if more pressing evidence has come about.
I'm a college student majoring in computer science... one of my buddies interns with IBM during the fall and summer months. A while back I jokingly said, "Give me the scoop on the new PowerPC stuff," and he replied, "I wish I could, but I don't work in that department.." Well, anyway, we're taking a class together this quarter and I said, "Hey, you know that Apple is going to use the GPUL in their new Macs?" He responded quickly, "Yeah, I could have told you that a year ago, but I wasn't supposed to."
<strong>I haven't been keeping up with this thread, so please forgive me if more pressing evidence has come about.
I'm a college student majoring in computer science... one of my buddies interns with IBM during the fall and summer months. A while back I jokingly said, "Give me the scoop on the new PowerPC stuff," and he replied, "I wish I could, but I don't work in that department.." Well, anyway, we're taking a class together this quarter and I said, "Hey, you know that Apple is going to use the GPUL in their new Macs?" He responded quickly, "Yeah, I could have told you that a year ago, but I wasn't supposed to."
Hrm..</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ahhhh man you should have smacked him a good one. Info like that is precious. So those sneaky astardbays at Apple have been planning this for at least a year. No wonder Motorola has nothing but Vapor as a G5. They knew a year ago that they were finished in the high stakes Mac arena.
Who originally started the thread 'There is no G5' I have tried to use the search facility but it doesn't seem to work for me. Who every it was seems to have had the situation pegged at an early stage. If I remember correectly is was just after The Register ran the story thatthe G5 was at a very advanced stage.
Anyway, it gets weirder, this just in from the latest print copy of MacUser - it's not on the web site (cover date 04/10/2002), paraphrased:
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IBM and Apple to join forces to develop next-generation PowerPC processors
"...According to sources..." (MOSR!?)
IBM to develop desktop version of Power4, but reports of it being for Macs were, until now, speculative.
Reports emerging from "Apple insiders" (really, that's a quote!) say that IBM is developing chip with significant input from Apple. MacUser's separate sources close to the project confirm this (that's just bollocks).
Chip known as GigaProcessor UltraLite (at least I know what GPUL is now), baseed on Power4 architecture and will be 64-bit.IBM working on "Vector/SIMD Multimedia Extension (VMX)" ... "functionally equivalent to AltiVec".
*****"The GPUL will reportedly work with a new motherboard designed by Apple, called the Apple Processor Interconnect bus, which will replace the current MaxBus in future Macs.******
(someone munged that sentence somewhat, but I think you can make out the gist of it.)
Apple's move to stop 9.x booting is not related to this new board processor - which is due later in 2003 (no hint of a date).
references Microprocessor Forum 15 October.
"expected to provide significant performance improvements over current PowerPC G4 chips, carrying out more instructions per clock cycle and possibly being multicore, that is offering two, or even four, core processors per chip."
Expected to debut at 1.4-2.0GHz.
Apple unlikely to abandon Motorola altogether - especially for lower power laptop chips.
(And the weirdest bit)
"Furthermore, indications are that Motorola's PowerPC G5 could surface early next year."
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<strong>With the also inevitable die shrink, Motorola will call these G5's even if they are 7470's on a 13 nm scale.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Motorola doesn't call their current processors G4s, so I don't see why they would.
If you want to find the processor shipping in current PowerMacs at mot.com, type in MPC7455. If Mot actually ships the processor you describe above, they'll probably call it the MPC7470.
My concern or question is what will happen with Apple's entire lineup once the PowerMacs get the GPUL processor.
For one, I don't believe there will be a new line of uberworkstations. The PowerMac (once it has POWER) has plenty of opportunity to satisfy both the power user and the professional crowd.
But then there are all the other product lines: PowerMac, iMac both CRT and LCD), eMac, and iBook. I believe all the consumer products would benefit from the G4, however they are already G4 based except the iBook and the CRT iMac.
Here is what I would hope for. Discontinue the original CRT iMac. The new eMac line fills this market space and has more future. Leave the G4 in the LCD iMac, and the eMac. If/when the G4 is manufactured with a .13 process, place it in the iBook.
That leaves the PowerBook. For me the PowerBook is a portable desktop replacement. I do CAD, 3D animation, and all kinds of high end stuff on my PowerBook, including some games. It would be silly to leave the G4 in the PowerBook since the G4 now represents the consumer market. What processor can fill this slot?
Seems like PowerBook users are in more quandry than all other Apple customers. PowerMac users are (relatively) certain that the GPUL will be the next processor. Consumers are already getting and will continue to get the G4. What about us mobile professionals who do alot more that run MS Office.
Hope my market is satisfied with the revisions coming down the line. It certainly is an interesting time to be a Mac Nut.
Terry
<strong>Motorola doesn't call their current processors G4s, so I don't see why they would.</strong><hr></blockquote>Sure they do. The 7455 is a chip in the G4 class, and Motorola calls it that all the time. For example, search for "G4" on <a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC7455&nodeId=03M9430304504 67M98653" target="_blank">this page about the 7455</a>.
<strong>[IBM news]We can't officially annouce that Apple will use this CPU but we can drop some heavy hints[/IBM news]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Stoo, do you have a URL for this quote?
Sincerely,
Jaddie
[ 09-27-2002: Message edited by: Jaddie ]</p>
Thanks in advance.
YES
<strong>
Stoo, do you have a URL for this quote?
Sincerely,
Jaddie
[ 09-27-2002: Message edited by: Jaddie ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Read the IBM MPF session announcement that started this thread.
<strong>I think that the consensus here is that yes, IBM will be making a chip that finds its way into the powermac line. The debate is about when this will happen. Crazy optimists are pegging late winter/spring, realists are saying late summer/fall, and pessimists are muttering something about 2004. The later two groups are guessing one more stepping from the G4 on the current motherboard with the current FSB, sine motorola will not move Maxbus to DDR. When the IBM processor arrives, it will be in conjunction with a new bus interconnect. The chip controller may be on-die or not, and if not may be a hypertransport derivative called ApplePI.</strong><hr></blockquote>
You didn't mention the other group who thinks the IBM G5 is comming next summer/fall and tha the Motorola is coming this winter.
[quote]Don't take everything so literally. I think his tongue was firmly placed in cheek with a very observant comment of his own. <hr></blockquote>
Edit: you can't nest quotes.
Yep, I was just "reading between the lines": IBM announce exactly what Apple needs CPUwise then their news page <a href="http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/viewtypes_linkType~1:type~Type:typeId~2_ 4_1_2.shtml" target="_blank">links</a> to articles suggesting Apple will use it. They can't announce it before Apple because that would kill PowerMac sales for months.
[ 09-30-2002: Message edited by: Stoo ]</p>
<strong>Can someone do a synopsis of this thread so I don't have to read the WHOLE DA/\\/\\N THING!
Thanks in advance.</strong><hr></blockquote>
1) read title of thread
2) read last couple of pages
you got it pretty much down pat
<strong>
Stoo, do you have a URL for this quote?
Sincerely,
Jaddie
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I am not Stoo
<a href="http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/viewtypes_linkType~1:type~Type:typeId~2_ 4_1_2.shtml" target="_blank">http://www-1.ibm.com/linux/viewtypes_linkType~1:type~Type:typeId~2_ 4_1_2.shtml</a>
I'm a college student majoring in computer science... one of my buddies interns with IBM during the fall and summer months. A while back I jokingly said, "Give me the scoop on the new PowerPC stuff," and he replied, "I wish I could, but I don't work in that department.." Well, anyway, we're taking a class together this quarter and I said, "Hey, you know that Apple is going to use the GPUL in their new Macs?" He responded quickly, "Yeah, I could have told you that a year ago, but I wasn't supposed to."
Hrm..
<strong>I haven't been keeping up with this thread, so please forgive me if more pressing evidence has come about.
I'm a college student majoring in computer science... one of my buddies interns with IBM during the fall and summer months. A while back I jokingly said, "Give me the scoop on the new PowerPC stuff," and he replied, "I wish I could, but I don't work in that department.." Well, anyway, we're taking a class together this quarter and I said, "Hey, you know that Apple is going to use the GPUL in their new Macs?" He responded quickly, "Yeah, I could have told you that a year ago, but I wasn't supposed to."
Hrm..</strong><hr></blockquote>
Ahhhh man you should have smacked him a good one. Info like that is precious. So those sneaky astardbays at Apple have been planning this for at least a year. No wonder Motorola has nothing but Vapor as a G5. They knew a year ago that they were finished in the high stakes Mac arena.
(currently Jet Powers, I think)
Anyway, it gets weirder, this just in from the latest print copy of MacUser - it's not on the web site (cover date 04/10/2002), paraphrased:
****
IBM and Apple to join forces to develop next-generation PowerPC processors
"...According to sources..." (MOSR!?)
IBM to develop desktop version of Power4, but reports of it being for Macs were, until now, speculative.
Reports emerging from "Apple insiders" (really, that's a quote!) say that IBM is developing chip with significant input from Apple. MacUser's separate sources close to the project confirm this (that's just bollocks).
Chip known as GigaProcessor UltraLite (at least I know what GPUL is now), baseed on Power4 architecture and will be 64-bit.IBM working on "Vector/SIMD Multimedia Extension (VMX)" ... "functionally equivalent to AltiVec".
*****"The GPUL will reportedly work with a new motherboard designed by Apple, called the Apple Processor Interconnect bus, which will replace the current MaxBus in future Macs.******
(someone munged that sentence somewhat, but I think you can make out the gist of it.)
Apple's move to stop 9.x booting is not related to this new board processor - which is due later in 2003 (no hint of a date).
references Microprocessor Forum 15 October.
"expected to provide significant performance improvements over current PowerPC G4 chips, carrying out more instructions per clock cycle and possibly being multicore, that is offering two, or even four, core processors per chip."
Expected to debut at 1.4-2.0GHz.
Apple unlikely to abandon Motorola altogether - especially for lower power laptop chips.
(And the weirdest bit)
"Furthermore, indications are that Motorola's PowerPC G5 could surface early next year."
****
GPUL and G5!?