40 gig iPods aren't that unrealistic especailly with Firewire 800....its to bad firewire800 isn't backwards compatible with firewire 400...if it was, then thehy could realise a 40 gig iPod right now, but I think they are going to wait until firewire 800 is adopted more in the mac community, that could be a while too, because only a handful of their computers offer it. but soon companies will start making firewire 800 pci cards and firewire 800 hard drive and cd-rws.
a 40 gig iPod with a built in mic...or a mic input and recording capabilities would be pretty cool.
<strong>...remember you're getting a display that will last much, much longer than a CRT</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've got a Wall Street PowerBook in which the display is absolutely f*cked, for no apparent reason - it's got next to no contrast and the colour is all over the place.
If I bought an LCD with a dead pixel I'd send it back, it's a fault, no question about it. Although people go on about it being acceptable to have a few dead pixels, it actually seems to be very rare to get any, I've only seen one or two instances.
<strong>Sorry to break the flow, but I just wanted to return to the stuck pixel thing again.
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Out of roughly 800 thousand pixels (on a 1024x768 display), 2 dead ones isn't bad: I can think of engineering applications with tolerances whole order of magnitude greater.</strong><hr></blockquote>
A couple of bad airplane landings every so often isn't so bad either. Or a dropped baby or two at the delivery room. Or a bacteria or two in the potato salad from the market.
I'm not trying trying to be smart (even though I've tried unsuccessfuly for years), but I work in airbags where I'm not allowed to make mistakes as an engineer. Surely an LCD manufacturer can be put under the same expectations of quality.
About dual G4's in a laptop- it wouldn't be that hard to do. Just up the thickness to 1.5 inches, and it would be completely feasible. Not to mention the fact that most PC laptops are
I guess I'd equate a dead pixel to a small blemish in the windscreen or a tiny tear in the upholstery rather than a faulty cylinder. The former makes no difference when going from A to B, the latter does. Anyway, I wish you all the best if you do decide to go with the new 15.4 inch PowerBook. Hopefully Apple won't keep you waiting too long.
Ok then, would you buy the $40,000 mercedes with the tear in the leather ulpolstry or want to see another car?
I jsut bought the 23" HD and it has 2 dead pixles, 1 red and 1 green so I see them mostly all the time. I got it yesterday, the manager said I could bring it back (I got the replacement policy). So I'm going back today to get, another one. Funny thing is is the Apple rep said he'd take one out and turn it on to verify dead pixels, but when I wnet back to buy it, he wasnt there.
Okay, I think we've pounded the dead pixel issue into the ground...majority rules. Dead pixel LCD's won't get purchased by self respecting Apple users. Now onto the question regarding the dual CPU issue. Several questions stem from such contemplation. First off cooling issues. Apple has to design a state of the art cooling system never before employed, or they had better find a way to shield the bottom of the laptop from heat so people's legs don't bake. Blisters are never a good thing. Secondly, if there were two processors there starts to be issues regarding thickness, and the guts of a laptop. Either components need to shrink more, or the overall laptop gets thicker. Here's the question. What is the actual dimensions of a 970 as opposed to a G4? Perhaps the 970 is smaller. Does anyone know? If it's smaller, this allows two to be fitted in less space. Also has anyone given the thought to a change in "typical" battery design? Perhaps the batteries will be thinner (afterall, look at the iPod battery). If the battery can be thinner, then there's more room above it to place components. Even if the battery ends up being wider than it is now, I think they could be creative in this area and get more room in the existing demensions for a second CPU. I know this is all speculation, but if I'm thinking about it, then the brilliant people at Apple have also thought about it. Who knows anything more about a release date?
I know the 970's supposed to be wonderful paired with another or even three other procs, but I just don't see Apple doing that with laptops. UNLESS, that is, that feature would set the 17" apart from the other powerbook offerings once the new 15" AlBooks appear (which most people will get, but having a dual proc. 17" book would appeal to graphics/publishing/movie/3d people greatly). That's the only way I could see dual CPUs as a viable option, as a method of differentiation between offerings. Those would have to be majorly low-powered procs, though -- a graphics guy isn't going to want the constant hum of a fan.
I've been doing some research using PDF's from both IBM and Motorola provided on their websites. The information is staggaring. The 970 really blows the G4 away in Dhrystone tests. Rather than post the information twice, go scope out the test results I got for all of us in the other string "Is Apple Making Way For The 970?" Judging from what I've seen in the numbers, Apple would really be making a bad choice to use a G4 in their late summer Power Book. There isn't a heat issue, there isn't a size issue, and there won't be an availability issue then. What's to stop Apple from "Switching" over to 970? Certainly not loyalty to Motorola! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Ok then, would you buy the $40,000 mercedes with the tear in the leather ulpolstry or want to see another car?
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If I had already bought the car home and was otherwise happy with it, I wouldn't waste any time out of my life returning it because of a small nick in the upholstery.
People seem to think when they buy an Apple display, they are buying an object of absolute perfection, rather than a computer monitor. Dead pixels are a known issue with LCDs and Apple clearly state what they consider the acceptable level to be. If you're not happy with Apple's own level of acceptance, why not look elsewhere or don't buy at all?
Are you perfect (no blemishes, spots etc)? Is your life outside of an Apple display perfect? If you have children, are they perfect or do you orphan them off and adopt others because of their goofy teeth? I expect not.
[quote]Originally posted by Brian Green:
<strong>Okay, I think we've pounded the dead pixel issue into the ground...majority rules. Dead pixel LCD's won't get purchased by self respecting Apple users. </strong><hr></blockquote>
A dead pixel or two doesn't bother me precisely because I am self respecting and consider there to be more important things in life. As a USAF firefighter, I'd have thought you would know that more than most. If the thought of buying a PowerBook with dead pixels 'terrifies' you, what does the thought of attending an aircraft crash with dead people do?
RodUK, I thank you for taking such a particular interest in my career field. I have had several opportunities in my career to work with various fire brigades from England and I have to say it was a great experience, and I'd be happy to work with them again if given the chance. But it seems that when you work in a career field like mine, you learn very quickly that you only have one time to get things right...a lesson learned by several of my close friends over the course of the years that has resulted in the loss of their lives. I know everytime I jump on the fire truck (I'm first run crew chief here) that this could be my last time as well. I am faced with car crashes, heart attacks, house fires (everyone check and make sure their smoke detectors work by the way ) and even emergencies involving aircraft (I've even had the pleasure of responding to more than one British Tornado in-flight emergency). So what does all of this say about me? It says that if I screw up, it's either someone else's life, or my own that ends. Game over, there are no do-overs. So I expect other people to take the same approach to their jobs, not that they do. I see dead pixels as an entire lack of self respect by the manufacturers, and I don't care what Apple claims to be acceptable in regard to dead pixels. I bought this iBook only after I fired it up in the store (CompUSA) and verified that there were no dead pixels. If you buy one and you have a few and you're happy with that, then honestly, I'm happy you got something you can work with and be happy with. Sincerely. However, I am not someone who will spend my money on something with obvious defects. This is just a matter of opinion, everyone is entitled to their own. Some are more flexible with their standards than others (just look at how many people buy Wintels). When I do buy a 15.4, I will do the same thing. I'll have them open it up and I'll verify that no dead pixels exist. If there are, I won't buy it. I'll ask to see another one. If they won't, I walk out the door. Plain and simple. Luckily I have not had a problem with CompUSA in regard to pre-inspection. As for stores in England, I'm not sure how their policies work because I never tried buying a computer there. I did smile when I saw what we call "Frosted Flakes" are called "Frosties" over there. Anyway, RodUK, I never back away from my job, and I'm faced with life or death decisions all too often. I'd hope you'd respect that, as well as my position on the dead pixel issue. God Bless America & Good Save The Queen.
Brian, I do truly respect the work done by the fire service the world over, especially in the US since 9-11 and in the UK since the current pay dispute. I do think you're perhaps expecting too much though in terms of LCD manufacturers living up to your own very high standards. Anyway, yes, I have checked my smoke detector, and yes, I did have Kelloggs Frosties for breakfast
[quote]Originally posted by GardenOfEarthlyDelights:
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A couple of bad airplane landings every so often isn't so bad either. Or a dropped baby or two at the delivery room. Or a bacteria or two in the potato salad from the market.
I'm not trying trying to be smart (even though I've tried unsuccessfuly for years), but I work in airbags where I'm not allowed to make mistakes as an engineer. Surely an LCD manufacturer can be put under the same expectations of quality.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not sure the very high standards required in some engineering fields can be applied uniformly across the board. LCDs used to be very expensive due to wastage, in part because a significant number of panels produced would contain a large number of defective pixels and be discarded. Prices are starting to come down, and I think the only way for them to come down further is if people continue to accept one or two minor defects. I'm sure Apple could guarantee displays with no dead pixels at all, but the cost of them would be many times what it is today.
[quote]People seem to think when they buy an Apple display, they are buying an object of absolute perfection, rather than a computer monitor. Dead pixels are a known issue with LCDs and Apple clearly state what they consider the acceptable level to be. If you're not happy with Apple's own level of acceptance, why not look elsewhere or don't buy at all? <hr></blockquote>
Apple *should* try and make the screens as perfect as possible. My PowerBook G4 has one stuck (I think it is stuck) red pixel up near the top right center of my screen. I don't really have a problem with it considering that deal I got on this machine. But I think I'd be more disappointed if I had spent $3000 on it.
Apple should be trying to set it's products apart from their competition. They put such a focus on how beautiful their machines look. Jobs is always throwing out words such as 'gorgeous', 'stunning' and 'perfect' in describing Apple's machines. But the people that buy the products are supposed to ignore the dead pixels sitting in the middle of their screen?
[quote]Are you perfect (no blemishes, spots etc)? Is your life outside of an Apple display perfect? If you have children, are they perfect or do you orphan them off and adopt others because of their goofy teeth? I expect not.<hr></blockquote>
Okay, so no one is perfect. But does that mean we cannot demand perfection for our computers and displays? We need a little taste of perfection in our lives once in a while.
To that guy that was bitching about 2 dead pixels in his brand-new kickass Cinema HD- Thats 2 out of, what, 2.3 million pixels that are alive and well? And unless you focus on seeing the dead 'uns, they won't interfere with your work anyway.
Back to the 15.4" Powerbook... Who honestly thinks that it will include the backlit keyboard of the 17" model? I do, becuse I feel that the 15" PB should remain the flagship portable, for one reason: The 12 and 17 inchers are being sold by their portability and novel "first in a portable" screens, respectively. The 15 incher needs something to make it stand out to professionals. May I say maybe an ATA 100, 7200 rpm drive? or maybe a DP model? Hope springs eternal.
Apple supposedly came out with this banner to use at some retailers calling the PowerBook 17, 15, 12 and iBook the "Fab Four." If they just came out with such a banner, do you really think they'd update it soon?
EDIT: Of course, I'm sure that they could easily replace the TiBook with another picture, but that would be a short life for a banner don't you think?
That is wierd. The fab four? The 15" that is fully in the photo seems to be the old Titanium. Are you sure the bottom one is the iBook? But on second thought, why in hell would they sell both the Titanium and Aliminum laptops, in the same size? Besides, that image looks kinda sorta Photoshopped. Where did you get this image? It doesn't seem logical that Apple would advertize the iBook 14" and 12" as one unit, but advertise the Powerbooks as 3 units. If they were going to advertise all the Apple portables on one banner, they should call it " the fab five". It seems more like Apple to advertise the iBooks and the Pbooks seperately. Save the image to disk, open it in preview, rotate it, and zoom in and look carefully at the "fab four" text. Something about the text looks wrong, like it was just pasted, either digitally or manually. Then look around the edges of each text-segment and image. Something is fishy. It looks like someone rolled out a piece of paper, got it on his digital camera, and then imported the text and photos, probably using standard fare off Apple's website. I might be wrong, but it is definately suspicious looking. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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i think it should be the 'flagship' of all the powerbooks.
also, i really want one.
a 40 gig iPod with a built in mic...or a mic input and recording capabilities would be pretty cool.
<strong>...remember you're getting a display that will last much, much longer than a CRT</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've got a Wall Street PowerBook in which the display is absolutely f*cked, for no apparent reason - it's got next to no contrast and the colour is all over the place.
If I bought an LCD with a dead pixel I'd send it back, it's a fault, no question about it. Although people go on about it being acceptable to have a few dead pixels, it actually seems to be very rare to get any, I've only seen one or two instances.
<strong>Sorry to break the flow, but I just wanted to return to the stuck pixel thing again.
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Out of roughly 800 thousand pixels (on a 1024x768 display), 2 dead ones isn't bad: I can think of engineering applications with tolerances whole order of magnitude greater.</strong><hr></blockquote>
A couple of bad airplane landings every so often isn't so bad either. Or a dropped baby or two at the delivery room. Or a bacteria or two in the potato salad from the market.
I'm not trying trying to be smart (even though I've tried unsuccessfuly for years), but I work in airbags where I'm not allowed to make mistakes as an engineer. Surely an LCD manufacturer can be put under the same expectations of quality.
2 inches plus
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I guess I'd equate a dead pixel to a small blemish in the windscreen or a tiny tear in the upholstery rather than a faulty cylinder. The former makes no difference when going from A to B, the latter does. Anyway, I wish you all the best if you do decide to go with the new 15.4 inch PowerBook. Hopefully Apple won't keep you waiting too long.
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Ok then, would you buy the $40,000 mercedes with the tear in the leather ulpolstry or want to see another car?
I jsut bought the 23" HD and it has 2 dead pixles, 1 red and 1 green so I see them mostly all the time. I got it yesterday, the manager said I could bring it back (I got the replacement policy). So I'm going back today to get, another one. Funny thing is is the Apple rep said he'd take one out and turn it on to verify dead pixels, but when I wnet back to buy it, he wasnt there.
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Ok then, would you buy the $40,000 mercedes with the tear in the leather ulpolstry or want to see another car?
</strong><hr></blockquote>
If I had already bought the car home and was otherwise happy with it, I wouldn't waste any time out of my life returning it because of a small nick in the upholstery.
People seem to think when they buy an Apple display, they are buying an object of absolute perfection, rather than a computer monitor. Dead pixels are a known issue with LCDs and Apple clearly state what they consider the acceptable level to be. If you're not happy with Apple's own level of acceptance, why not look elsewhere or don't buy at all?
Are you perfect (no blemishes, spots etc)? Is your life outside of an Apple display perfect? If you have children, are they perfect or do you orphan them off and adopt others because of their goofy teeth? I expect not.
[quote]Originally posted by Brian Green:
<strong>Okay, I think we've pounded the dead pixel issue into the ground...majority rules. Dead pixel LCD's won't get purchased by self respecting Apple users. </strong><hr></blockquote>
A dead pixel or two doesn't bother me precisely because I am self respecting and consider there to be more important things in life. As a USAF firefighter, I'd have thought you would know that more than most. If the thought of buying a PowerBook with dead pixels 'terrifies' you, what does the thought of attending an aircraft crash with dead people do?
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[quote]Originally posted by GardenOfEarthlyDelights:
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A couple of bad airplane landings every so often isn't so bad either. Or a dropped baby or two at the delivery room. Or a bacteria or two in the potato salad from the market.
I'm not trying trying to be smart (even though I've tried unsuccessfuly for years), but I work in airbags where I'm not allowed to make mistakes as an engineer. Surely an LCD manufacturer can be put under the same expectations of quality.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm not sure the very high standards required in some engineering fields can be applied uniformly across the board. LCDs used to be very expensive due to wastage, in part because a significant number of panels produced would contain a large number of defective pixels and be discarded. Prices are starting to come down, and I think the only way for them to come down further is if people continue to accept one or two minor defects. I'm sure Apple could guarantee displays with no dead pixels at all, but the cost of them would be many times what it is today.
Apple *should* try and make the screens as perfect as possible. My PowerBook G4 has one stuck (I think it is stuck) red pixel up near the top right center of my screen. I don't really have a problem with it considering that deal I got on this machine. But I think I'd be more disappointed if I had spent $3000 on it.
Apple should be trying to set it's products apart from their competition. They put such a focus on how beautiful their machines look. Jobs is always throwing out words such as 'gorgeous', 'stunning' and 'perfect' in describing Apple's machines. But the people that buy the products are supposed to ignore the dead pixels sitting in the middle of their screen?
[quote]Are you perfect (no blemishes, spots etc)? Is your life outside of an Apple display perfect? If you have children, are they perfect or do you orphan them off and adopt others because of their goofy teeth? I expect not.<hr></blockquote>
Okay, so no one is perfect. But does that mean we cannot demand perfection for our computers and displays? We need a little taste of perfection in our lives once in a while.
EDIT: Of course, I'm sure that they could easily replace the TiBook with another picture, but that would be a short life for a banner don't you think?
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<strong>Besides, that image looks kinda sorta Photoshopped.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Nope. Saw one just yesterday hanging in my local Mac shop. It's legit.