I'm off to go do a 10 minute speech on why "macs are better than pcs"... should have brought these forums with me... that would have opened huge debate.
Apple doesn't make macrumors publish that update cycle report, they were the "some" i was talking about.
I suppose you can look at it like that. I think of it more as macrumors trying to justify the length of time between update cycles. I think Apple does the same thing, but knows all about that update cycle chart, and it gives them all the more justification for lengthening the time frame between updates.
I knew Apple planned on using dual cores at some point, and I'm really glad we should be seeing them soon, but I wonder if they will be dong any thing that we didn't anticipate? It sure would be nice to see them really shake it up a bit in computer land.
While sound reasoning would suggest that updated Power Mac G5 models will be announced around the same time, it's unclear whether the new systems, based on the yet-unannounced PowerPC 970GX processor, will be ready in time or whether they'll make an appearance closer to WWDC in June.
That's a the eMac, and iMac., and just a rumor. Apple would not put the latest greatest, and their most powerful processor in the eMac, and iMac first that much I can assure you.
That on die memory controller is only part of what makes AMD's chips tick. It is truely a sum of the parts situation. It is interestingthat AMD's chip beats just about every other high volumne microprocessor on the market when it comes to performance at a clock rate. The chip is so well engineered that it beats a 970 at a lower clock rate.
Not that I want to drag this thread off course but I do think that Apple / IBM has something new waiting for us around the corner. Hoefully all of the warts from the 970 will be gone and Apple can go back to claiming the fastest desktop systems in the world. I just don't think on board memory controllers are expected this go around.
Dave
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Originally posted by onlooker
At early appearances I think AMD will still have a leg up on all of them, unless IBM starts using an on die memory controller which is what seems to give AMD all that power. You would think that being in a multi billion dollar company IBM processor designers would have figured this out already, and know exactly what to do. But you never know...
WOW! You design computer processors. You must be really smart? Duuuhhh.. I guess. \
boy i hope so to by then. There is nothing substantial mentioned anywhere that i can find and i am just afraid that apple with its huge sucess with the ipod and all that they will forget the higher end users such as us that are trying to do video and other cpu intensive things and looking for the upper end of the product line to expand and grow. However the only thing i can say in their defense is that the whole industry seems to be in a slowdown insofar as faster computers and all. But as a mac user from day one this has been the longest drout that i can remember in their history for updating the upper end of their lineup. Any thoughts ???
Last year was an 11 month update cycle from the Rev A to Rev B... so far we're at 9 months... (june to march)...
Apple has more dependence on the high end users than it appears... without the developers, video artists, graphics artists they would cease to have ANY 3rd party software, a graphics system etc. It is my opinion that without these high end machines, apple doesn't have a leg to stand on. The iPod momentum will die out eventually and they will resort to computer sales again.
Without developers and high end systems, apple is screwed. I know they know this... we will see an update soon.
Last year was an 11 month update cycle from the Rev A to Rev B... so far we're at 9 months... (june to march)...
Apple has more dependence on the high end users than it appears... without the developers, video artists, graphics artists they would cease to have ANY 3rd party software, a graphics system etc. It is my opinion that without these high end machines, apple doesn't have a leg to stand on. The iPod momentum will die out eventually and they will resort to computer sales again.
Without developers and high end systems, apple is screwed. I know they know this... we will see an update soon.
Well said. These are the reasons why I think they should try their hand at going all out with a couple variations on the PowerMac soon. THe iPod will not live forever. And they need to impress a multitude of Markets with various other products. The PowerMac is the defining point of their abilities.
I don't know if anyone else has noticed... but the powermac dual 2.5's ship same business day from the US Apple Store... I don't know how long this has been going on, but its the first time I've noticed it. Least IBM is COMPLETELY caught up in processor demands.
Also for weeks now apple has had all powermacs on the refurb list. Year after year I see this all the time before an update.
I don't want to get my hopes too high but I feel we'll see dual 2.8's with PCI-Express. That is the MINIMUM apple will release for the next update. Its actually a pretty sour update if they don't change the case or anything like that. This update could go as high as dual 3.0 (maybe even quads, though I think that's for next update).
A lot of people have mentioned a "pro" workstation being built along with the Powermac. Problem with this is Powermacs sales are already hurting... I believe they sold 175k last quarter? If a pro workstation was made what percentage of those users would buy it? Also how many new users not out of the powermac category would buy one?
Even if we gave the pro workstation users the benefit of the doubt and split the powermacs in half, we'd still see a loss for both systems.
If apple can get away with taking a small loss at providing excellent pro machines (powermacs), I think it would be ok... since its sort of an investment into developers back into their company.
I'm sure this new Powermac will have more features... I just don't know how many. Ones we can count on? PCI-E and at least dual 2.8s.
I have a feeling that if they do move to dual 2.8 / pci-express, we will see a price drop. I wouldn't mind seeing a price drop myself. They should be cheaper. I can perfectly see the same thing happening that just happened to the powerbooks... mildly faster processor (2.8), more ram (1gb), better graphics card / bus (pb didn't get upgraded in this regard), lower prices (2-3 hundred dollar price dip), and perhaps larger harddrives. If these happened, I'd buy the top end version in a heart beat.
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Originally posted by emig647
Just as some considered the addition of the dual 1.8 to replace the single 1.8 in the original g5 lineup as an upgrade cycle... retarded.
No need to say some. it's Apple that does it. They are buying time for old parts to get cheaper.
Apple doesn't make macrumors publish that update cycle report, they were the "some" i was talking about.
Originally posted by emig647
Tag you're it,
Apple doesn't make macrumors publish that update cycle report, they were the "some" i was talking about.
I suppose you can look at it like that. I think of it more as macrumors trying to justify the length of time between update cycles. I think Apple does the same thing, but knows all about that update cycle chart, and it gives them all the more justification for lengthening the time frame between updates.
http://everythingapple.blogspot.com/
Cant imagine how this is not valid information... awesome!
While sound reasoning would suggest that updated Power Mac G5 models will be announced around the same time, it's unclear whether the new systems, based on the yet-unannounced PowerPC 970GX processor, will be ready in time or whether they'll make an appearance closer to WWDC in June.
GX now, MP later?
Does the GX mean no hugmongo radiator?
Screed
Originally posted by sCreeD
Apparently not that soon.
GX now, MP later?
Does the GX mean no hugmongo radiator?
Screed
That's a the eMac, and iMac., and just a rumor. Apple would not put the latest greatest, and their most powerful processor in the eMac, and iMac first that much I can assure you.
Not that I want to drag this thread off course but I do think that Apple / IBM has something new waiting for us around the corner. Hoefully all of the warts from the 970 will be gone and Apple can go back to claiming the fastest desktop systems in the world. I just don't think on board memory controllers are expected this go around.
Dave
Originally posted by onlooker
At early appearances I think AMD will still have a leg up on all of them, unless IBM starts using an on die memory controller which is what seems to give AMD all that power. You would think that being in a multi billion dollar company IBM processor designers would have figured this out already, and know exactly what to do. But you never know...
WOW! You design computer processors. You must be really smart? Duuuhhh.. I guess.
Originally posted by onlooker
I hope - in june - at WWDC - with Tiger.
boy i hope so to by then. There is nothing substantial mentioned anywhere that i can find and i am just afraid that apple with its huge sucess with the ipod and all that they will forget the higher end users such as us that are trying to do video and other cpu intensive things and looking for the upper end of the product line to expand and grow. However the only thing i can say in their defense is that the whole industry seems to be in a slowdown insofar as faster computers and all. But as a mac user from day one this has been the longest drout that i can remember in their history for updating the upper end of their lineup. Any thoughts ???
Apple has more dependence on the high end users than it appears... without the developers, video artists, graphics artists they would cease to have ANY 3rd party software, a graphics system etc. It is my opinion that without these high end machines, apple doesn't have a leg to stand on. The iPod momentum will die out eventually and they will resort to computer sales again.
Without developers and high end systems, apple is screwed. I know they know this... we will see an update soon.
Originally posted by emig647
Last year was an 11 month update cycle from the Rev A to Rev B... so far we're at 9 months... (june to march)...
Apple has more dependence on the high end users than it appears... without the developers, video artists, graphics artists they would cease to have ANY 3rd party software, a graphics system etc. It is my opinion that without these high end machines, apple doesn't have a leg to stand on. The iPod momentum will die out eventually and they will resort to computer sales again.
Without developers and high end systems, apple is screwed. I know they know this... we will see an update soon.
Well said. These are the reasons why I think they should try their hand at going all out with a couple variations on the PowerMac soon. THe iPod will not live forever. And they need to impress a multitude of Markets with various other products. The PowerMac is the defining point of their abilities.
I don't know if anyone else has noticed... but the powermac dual 2.5's ship same business day from the US Apple Store... I don't know how long this has been going on, but its the first time I've noticed it. Least IBM is COMPLETELY caught up in processor demands.
Also for weeks now apple has had all powermacs on the refurb list. Year after year I see this all the time before an update.
I don't want to get my hopes too high but I feel we'll see dual 2.8's with PCI-Express. That is the MINIMUM apple will release for the next update. Its actually a pretty sour update if they don't change the case or anything like that. This update could go as high as dual 3.0 (maybe even quads, though I think that's for next update).
A lot of people have mentioned a "pro" workstation being built along with the Powermac. Problem with this is Powermacs sales are already hurting... I believe they sold 175k last quarter? If a pro workstation was made what percentage of those users would buy it? Also how many new users not out of the powermac category would buy one?
Even if we gave the pro workstation users the benefit of the doubt and split the powermacs in half, we'd still see a loss for both systems.
If apple can get away with taking a small loss at providing excellent pro machines (powermacs), I think it would be ok... since its sort of an investment into developers back into their company.
I'm sure this new Powermac will have more features... I just don't know how many. Ones we can count on? PCI-E and at least dual 2.8s.
After all this time, Apple could still go the cheap route to clear
the exisiting towers buying them more time for a serious
revision.
Price drop, RAM/GPU upgrades and Tiger
I hope for much more, but this option can't be overlooked.
2700 for a dual 2.8 sounds reasonable to me.