That story's bunk, even if it might have hints of truth to it. Apple isn't going to update the PowerBooks less than 3 months after they already received an update, and it would be ridiculous to even suggest that Apple would try to sell a system with 4 GB DIMMs - which, I would add, are curiously absent from the sites of manufacturers like Crucial. 2 GB sticks would be the maximum, and Apple would probably only use them only for BTO purchases with more than 4 GB of RAM.
I have my own reasons to believe that Apple will have new PowerMacs ready in April (or June at the very latest), but I'm not so foolish as to make up predictions that have no basis in reality.
That story's bunk, even if it might have hints of truth to it. Apple isn't going to update the PowerBooks less than 3 months after they already received an update, and it would be ridiculous to even suggest that Apple would try to sell a system with 4 GB DIMMs - which, I would add, are curiously absent from the sites of manufacturers like Crucial. 2 GB sticks would be the maximum, and Apple would probably only use them only for BTO purchases with more than 4 GB of RAM.
I have my own reasons to believe that Apple will have new PowerMacs ready in April (or June at the very latest), but I'm not so foolish as to make up predictions that have no basis in reality.
First off on the powerbooks: Just because they made an update 3 months ago to the whole line doesn't mean they can't change 1 part of the line up. Apple does it ALL THE TIME. When the g5's came out... they sold them for 3 months then replaced the single 1.8ghz with a dual 1.8ghz. That is such a minor change that it's not replacing the whole lineup, just the graphics card and perhaps lcd in the 17"... no biggy.
As far as saying that prediction is false strictly based on the 4gb idea... Apple was the first to promote 128mb FPS ram modules back in 94 I believe (its 94 or 95). They had the first consumer machine that was expandable to 1gb!! I guess what I'm trying to get at, is 2gb have been around for a while and its time for a bigger chip. Its completely feasible to go passed 2gb now with all of the 64bit chips. There haven't been very many of them so there wasn't ever a need for 4gb dimms. Its about time for the 4gb dimms to appear to.
How much you read into the memory part is fine... I don't really care for 8x4gb in my machine... just give me my 8x1gb and I'll be fine. I think it "could happen". We may see new PM's in 2 weeks.
First off on the powerbooks: Just because they made an update 3 months ago to the whole line doesn't mean they can't change 1 part of the line up. Apple does it ALL THE TIME. When the g5's came out... they sold them for 3 months then replaced the single 1.8ghz with a dual 1.8ghz. That is such a minor change that it's not replacing the whole lineup, just the graphics card and perhaps lcd in the 17"... no biggy.
The thing is, though, that Apple has literally no reason to hold off on a PowerBook update like the one described in the article. 1920x1200 17" panels and Mobility Radeon 9800s have been available for some time now. Why wait until NAB when you could get a lot of the sales earlier?
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As far as saying that prediction is false strictly based on the 4gb idea... Apple was the first to promote 128mb FPS ram modules back in 94 I believe (its 94 or 95). They had the first consumer machine that was expandable to 1gb!! I guess what I'm trying to get at, is 2gb have been around for a while and its time for a bigger chip. Its completely feasible to go passed 2gb now with all of the 64bit chips. There haven't been very many of them so there wasn't ever a need for 4gb dimms. Its about time for the 4gb dimms to appear to.
How much you read into the memory part is fine... I don't really care for 8x4gb in my machine... just give me my 8x1gb and I'll be fine. I think it "could happen". We may see new PM's in 2 weeks. [/B]
My main issue with this "but Apple has pioneered large memory modules before" argument is that Apple's choice of standardized RAM makes it more beholden to what the rest of the industry is doing. If you don't see 3rd-party RAM vendors offering 4 GB DIMMs, odds are they're not waiting for Apple first.
Also, there's the question of whether such RAM capacities are even needed in a desktop workstation yet. The Xserve, I can understand - and it does have the option of up to 16 GB of RAM now - but even the hardest-working professional probably can't rationalize 32 GB of RAM on his desktop in a way that wouldn't better be served by a dedicated Xserve instead.
Also, there's the question of whether such RAM capacities are even needed in a desktop workstation yet. The Xserve, I can understand - and it does have the option of up to 16 GB of RAM now - but even the hardest-working professional probably can't rationalize 32 GB of RAM on his desktop in a way that wouldn't better be served by a dedicated Xserve instead.
I completely agree with that statement...
Doesn't mean it won't happen. I could care less about the memory announcement... I'm really shocked to even see macrumors post that in the first place.... they have a pretty good reputation. That is one of hte reasons I believe there is some truth to it.
Blu-Ray drives aren't scheduled for delivery until Q1 2006. The fact that the Macrumors report was on the second page show they feel the credibility of the author is off and after reading about the Blu-Ray comment it's obvious they aren't dealing with an insider. The BDA hasn't even finished the authoring spec yet and no one is producing more than one off BD drives.
Where are the universally agreed upon laundry list of models with specs in a nice column format with the price at the end? I always find those all over these threads and can't seem to find a good one here. Come on crew... what is the 'truth'?
Doesn't mean it won't happen. I could care less about the memory announcement... I'm really shocked to even see macrumors post that in the first place.... they have a pretty good reputation. That is one of hte reasons I believe there is some truth to it.
You do realize that it's a Page 2 rumour, right? Few Page 2 rumours ever actually come true, or if they do they're often moved to the front page beforehand.
Edit: oops, hmurchison pointed it out earlier. Sorry. To expand beyond what he's saying, it makes much more sense for Apple to simply ship a 16X dual-layer DVD burner. Anything more is almost certainly going to be too expensive and too readily obsolete.
Also, there's the question of whether such RAM capacities are even needed in a desktop workstation yet. The Xserve, I can understand - and it does have the option of up to 16 GB of RAM now - but even the hardest-working professional probably can't rationalize 32 GB of RAM on his desktop in a way that wouldn't better be served by a dedicated Xserve instead.
That depends on what kind of workstation your referring to. It would be an epic 3D workstation module.
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Originally posted by hmurchison
Blu-Ray drives aren't scheduled for delivery until Q1 2006. The fact that the Macrumors report was on the second page show they feel the credibility of the author is off and after reading about the Blu-Ray comment it's obvious they aren't dealing with an insider. The BDA hasn't even finished the authoring spec yet and no one is producing more than one off BD drives.
I thought I saw one in an article in Japan. I mean. I think there may be one for sale in Japan already.
In reference to the memory thing, would having a PM with the capability of running 32GB of RAM really depend on whether or not that's even possible at this point?
It seems incredibly impractical now, but it could be a huge bonus on the future-proofing expandability side. I don't think anyone doubts that we'll see 4GB DIMMs becoming more common eventually.
Sony has been selling Blu-Ray recorders for a while now in Japan. The main difference between these recorders and the future specification is boing to be support for their BD, BDE and other formats. The authoring tools aren't done yet so that and just getting the pieces together preclude Blu-Ray devices shipping in a volume computer until Q4 at the earliest. Even then the drives will be close to $999 so Apple is unlikely to have it as anything but a BTO for the forseeable future.
I'm not sure if Apple is ready to completely abandon AGP just yet, so can we expect and new mother board that supports both AGP and PCI-e? How tricky would that be?
I don't think it's AGP that is hard to displace it's the stand PCI or PCI-X. AGP is strictly a graphics port. You can't put anything else in there so It wouldn't make much sense to have PCI-Express and AGP in the same computer because that would be rudundant. I'd like to see PCI-Express in 2/3 slots and PCI-X in at least one slot so that backward compatibility with some high end cards would be there.
I'd like to see Apple add another drive bay. I don't even think they need 4 but 3 allows them to run most of the RAID types.
For Audio and video I'd love to see Apple early with HDMI outputs. That would handle both Digital Video output and uncompressed multichannel output in one connecter. This would also spur the use of Macs in HTPC(Home Theatre PC) uses.
I think the whole linuep of Macs above $1000 should be dual processor. Meaning 970MP. Only the Mac Mini and eMac should be single processors. Everything above $1000 should have a DVD burner.
I don't think it's AGP that is hard to displace it's the stand PCI or PCI-X. AGP is strictly a graphics port. You can't put anything else in there so It wouldn't make much sense to have PCI-Express and AGP in the same computer because that would be rudundant. I'd like to see PCI-Express in 2/3 slots and PCI-X in at least one slot so that backward compatibility with some high end cards would be there.
Yes, but how do you configure the mother board AND the expansion slot
connector pins to handle either PCI-X or PCI-Express in the same tower?
My horrible understanding of this issue tells me that you would need one bus to handle backwards compatibility for PCI and PCI-X cards
AND a different 16X bus to handle PCI-Express cards.
If not, then you still need connectivity for all three types of cards in some configuration.
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http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/...30102917.shtml
Originally posted by Invader Zim
Macrumors has some new information about the next G5 revision:
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2005/...30102917.shtml
That story's bunk, even if it might have hints of truth to it. Apple isn't going to update the PowerBooks less than 3 months after they already received an update, and it would be ridiculous to even suggest that Apple would try to sell a system with 4 GB DIMMs - which, I would add, are curiously absent from the sites of manufacturers like Crucial. 2 GB sticks would be the maximum, and Apple would probably only use them only for BTO purchases with more than 4 GB of RAM.
I have my own reasons to believe that Apple will have new PowerMacs ready in April (or June at the very latest), but I'm not so foolish as to make up predictions that have no basis in reality.
Originally posted by Commodus
That story's bunk, even if it might have hints of truth to it. Apple isn't going to update the PowerBooks less than 3 months after they already received an update, and it would be ridiculous to even suggest that Apple would try to sell a system with 4 GB DIMMs - which, I would add, are curiously absent from the sites of manufacturers like Crucial. 2 GB sticks would be the maximum, and Apple would probably only use them only for BTO purchases with more than 4 GB of RAM.
I have my own reasons to believe that Apple will have new PowerMacs ready in April (or June at the very latest), but I'm not so foolish as to make up predictions that have no basis in reality.
First off on the powerbooks: Just because they made an update 3 months ago to the whole line doesn't mean they can't change 1 part of the line up. Apple does it ALL THE TIME. When the g5's came out... they sold them for 3 months then replaced the single 1.8ghz with a dual 1.8ghz. That is such a minor change that it's not replacing the whole lineup, just the graphics card and perhaps lcd in the 17"... no biggy.
As far as saying that prediction is false strictly based on the 4gb idea... Apple was the first to promote 128mb FPS ram modules back in 94 I believe (its 94 or 95). They had the first consumer machine that was expandable to 1gb!! I guess what I'm trying to get at, is 2gb have been around for a while and its time for a bigger chip. Its completely feasible to go passed 2gb now with all of the 64bit chips. There haven't been very many of them so there wasn't ever a need for 4gb dimms. Its about time for the 4gb dimms to appear to.
How much you read into the memory part is fine... I don't really care for 8x4gb in my machine... just give me my 8x1gb and I'll be fine. I think it "could happen". We may see new PM's in 2 weeks.
Originally posted by emig647
I know one thing is for sure... I'm definitely waiting on buy my next mac at this point.
No shit
Originally posted by emig647
First off on the powerbooks: Just because they made an update 3 months ago to the whole line doesn't mean they can't change 1 part of the line up. Apple does it ALL THE TIME. When the g5's came out... they sold them for 3 months then replaced the single 1.8ghz with a dual 1.8ghz. That is such a minor change that it's not replacing the whole lineup, just the graphics card and perhaps lcd in the 17"... no biggy.
The thing is, though, that Apple has literally no reason to hold off on a PowerBook update like the one described in the article. 1920x1200 17" panels and Mobility Radeon 9800s have been available for some time now. Why wait until NAB when you could get a lot of the sales earlier?
As far as saying that prediction is false strictly based on the 4gb idea... Apple was the first to promote 128mb FPS ram modules back in 94 I believe (its 94 or 95). They had the first consumer machine that was expandable to 1gb!! I guess what I'm trying to get at, is 2gb have been around for a while and its time for a bigger chip. Its completely feasible to go passed 2gb now with all of the 64bit chips. There haven't been very many of them so there wasn't ever a need for 4gb dimms. Its about time for the 4gb dimms to appear to.
How much you read into the memory part is fine... I don't really care for 8x4gb in my machine... just give me my 8x1gb and I'll be fine. I think it "could happen". We may see new PM's in 2 weeks. [/B]
My main issue with this "but Apple has pioneered large memory modules before" argument is that Apple's choice of standardized RAM makes it more beholden to what the rest of the industry is doing. If you don't see 3rd-party RAM vendors offering 4 GB DIMMs, odds are they're not waiting for Apple first.
Also, there's the question of whether such RAM capacities are even needed in a desktop workstation yet. The Xserve, I can understand - and it does have the option of up to 16 GB of RAM now - but even the hardest-working professional probably can't rationalize 32 GB of RAM on his desktop in a way that wouldn't better be served by a dedicated Xserve instead.
Originally posted by Commodus
Also, there's the question of whether such RAM capacities are even needed in a desktop workstation yet. The Xserve, I can understand - and it does have the option of up to 16 GB of RAM now - but even the hardest-working professional probably can't rationalize 32 GB of RAM on his desktop in a way that wouldn't better be served by a dedicated Xserve instead.
I completely agree with that statement...
Doesn't mean it won't happen. I could care less about the memory announcement... I'm really shocked to even see macrumors post that in the first place.... they have a pretty good reputation. That is one of hte reasons I believe there is some truth to it.
I don't know ANYTHING about blu-ray so I couldn't argue that point.
Originally posted by emig647
Doesn't mean it won't happen. I could care less about the memory announcement... I'm really shocked to even see macrumors post that in the first place.... they have a pretty good reputation. That is one of hte reasons I believe there is some truth to it.
You do realize that it's a Page 2 rumour, right? Few Page 2 rumours ever actually come true, or if they do they're often moved to the front page beforehand.
Edit: oops, hmurchison pointed it out earlier. Sorry. To expand beyond what he's saying, it makes much more sense for Apple to simply ship a 16X dual-layer DVD burner. Anything more is almost certainly going to be too expensive and too readily obsolete.
Originally posted by Commodus
Also, there's the question of whether such RAM capacities are even needed in a desktop workstation yet. The Xserve, I can understand - and it does have the option of up to 16 GB of RAM now - but even the hardest-working professional probably can't rationalize 32 GB of RAM on his desktop in a way that wouldn't better be served by a dedicated Xserve instead.
That depends on what kind of workstation your referring to. It would be an epic 3D workstation module.
Originally posted by hmurchison
Blu-Ray drives aren't scheduled for delivery until Q1 2006. The fact that the Macrumors report was on the second page show they feel the credibility of the author is off and after reading about the Blu-Ray comment it's obvious they aren't dealing with an insider. The BDA hasn't even finished the authoring spec yet and no one is producing more than one off BD drives.
I thought I saw one in an article in Japan. I mean. I think there may be one for sale in Japan already.
Yes, here is an article referring to one from Sharp
It seems incredibly impractical now, but it could be a huge bonus on the future-proofing expandability side. I don't think anyone doubts that we'll see 4GB DIMMs becoming more common eventually.
Sony has been selling Blu-Ray recorders for a while now in Japan. The main difference between these recorders and the future specification is boing to be support for their BD, BDE and other formats. The authoring tools aren't done yet so that and just getting the pieces together preclude Blu-Ray devices shipping in a volume computer until Q4 at the earliest. Even then the drives will be close to $999 so Apple is unlikely to have it as anything but a BTO for the forseeable future.
but for now I'll be content with 1GB as a starting point.
I'm not sure if Apple is ready to completely abandon AGP just yet,
so can we expect and new mother board that supports both AGP
and PCI-e?
How tricky would that be?
It looks like a new pro chassis should support at least 4 expansion
slots, to allow for oversized cards that take up more than one space,
while still allowing for 2 other single slot cards.
I'd really like to see major improvements in the audio bus to support
64 bit audio as it progresses.
Especially if this improvement eliminates the need for ProTools'
outrageously priced PCI cards.
I'm still rooting for the Power5 dual cores in the top end towers
with the 970 series covering from there on down.
We know that Apple MUST release a Mobile G5 soon, so this leads me
to ?guess? that the 970 MP series might be configured for the new PowerBooks not the towers.
I'm still a bit worried that we haven't seen any major price drop
on the current models to indicate a revision clearance sale,
unless the re-sellers already have contracts to cover that issue.
I need a machine that will hold me for another 7 years and hope
it will be as trouble free as my G3 tower has been.
I'm not sure if Apple is ready to completely abandon AGP just yet, so can we expect and new mother board that supports both AGP and PCI-e? How tricky would that be?
I don't think it's AGP that is hard to displace it's the stand PCI or PCI-X. AGP is strictly a graphics port. You can't put anything else in there so It wouldn't make much sense to have PCI-Express and AGP in the same computer because that would be rudundant. I'd like to see PCI-Express in 2/3 slots and PCI-X in at least one slot so that backward compatibility with some high end cards would be there.
I'd like to see Apple add another drive bay. I don't even think they need 4 but 3 allows them to run most of the RAID types.
For Audio and video I'd love to see Apple early with HDMI outputs. That would handle both Digital Video output and uncompressed multichannel output in one connecter. This would also spur the use of Macs in HTPC(Home Theatre PC) uses.
I think the whole linuep of Macs above $1000 should be dual processor. Meaning 970MP. Only the Mac Mini and eMac should be single processors. Everything above $1000 should have a DVD burner.
Stripe two HDDs, mirror with two more, and the fifth for a parity drive...
The perfect boot array...
Originally posted by hmurchison
I don't think it's AGP that is hard to displace it's the stand PCI or PCI-X. AGP is strictly a graphics port. You can't put anything else in there so It wouldn't make much sense to have PCI-Express and AGP in the same computer because that would be rudundant. I'd like to see PCI-Express in 2/3 slots and PCI-X in at least one slot so that backward compatibility with some high end cards would be there.
Yes, but how do you configure the mother board AND the expansion slot
connector pins to handle either PCI-X or PCI-Express in the same tower?
My horrible understanding of this issue tells me that you would need one bus to handle backwards compatibility for PCI and PCI-X cards
AND a different 16X bus to handle PCI-Express cards.
If not, then you still need connectivity for all three types of cards in some configuration.
My brain is oatmeal