We will, of course, perform much more extensive tests when we have the new hardware in our own hands. But the limited Photoshop tests showed that, at least for 2D graphics, the Intel-based iMacs seem to be a match for pro-level PowerPC hardware, even when the test software is running in emulation mode.
We will, of course, perform much more extensive tests when we have the new hardware in our own hands. But the limited Photoshop tests showed that, at least for 2D graphics, the Intel-based iMacs seem to be a match for pro-level PowerPC hardware, even when the test software is running in emulation mode.
Thats nice to know...... but as usual I don't believe what I see till i do the tests mahself... *shrugs* That would be cool though.. and definitely give me a reason to buy a pb now. AND YES.. i'm still calling them a powerbook.... its in a powerbooks body.... its a powerbook with an intel cpu..... get over it everyone. ITS A DAMN POWERBOOK..... POWERBOOK AAAAAAAAAAAAAA POWERRBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOK. NOT A MACBOOK PRO... A POWERBOOK IT IS A POWERBOOK A POWERBOOK.......
Like RickT above, I also bought an iMac in November. It is a great machine which is fast, Front Row is really cool, and iSight has been a lot of fun.
In the last few days leading up to the keynote, iMacs just weren't on people's minds. Steve really surprised all of us with this one, but was in character: when you have a successful product, replace it (nota bene, the iPod mini to nano switch).
Unless you are a world-famous scientist at a top-secret lab researching the magnetic resonance flux created by changing speeds in the flow of the earth's mantel, you are unlikely to notice the speed bump, or at least not be able to survive without it. (Shouldn't have written that... oh no.. there's a knock at the doors...) Everyone thinks they have to have the latest and the greatest. There are lots of rather old machines out there that still do some pretty great work. And look at the comparatively lowly Mac minis that are driving cars!
Also, there is always the concern of growing pains. The first model in a line often experiences something, whether be excessive heat, noisy fans, power supply issues. I'm sure the members here can supply a rather detailed list. This is the test model to weed out any problems.
There is then the software issue. It's going to take a year for all of the major apps to be switcched over, so your original iMac might actually have been faster for certain things.
In thinking about the predicament of those of us who bought the last G5 iMac, I have to wonder, why didn't Apple wait until the Intel Macs came to unload all the goodies like the built-in iSight, the remote, and Frontrow? That would have really added a wow factor to the first Intel Macs, and kick-started people into buying them. Why get into the cool stuff with their last model PPC iMac?
Thanks bunches. It's good to be back. Well, approaching being back, anyway.
Good news comes in droves, apparently. I've been fighting the good fight with the powers that be at the university where I work, trying to convince them that they suffer from a form of computer bigotry (my last university-purchased computer, a P.O.S. Gateway 'top of the line' laptop, was purchased after administration gave me the green light by saying: "You have $2500 to buy any computer you want....except a Mac". That hurt. I'm a web designer.
This bigotry is so bad, in fact, that I finally resorted to buying a new iMac last night to help me make the point. Well, today, one of the big wheels in the system actually sat in my office and listened to my iMac Duo-inflamed, impassioned plea, where I described the tight work-flow that OS X provides; peppered with details of my various experiences on Microsoft operating systems, Amiga OS, early Mac OS, Solaris, etc. I told him that in all my years under the hood with these operating systems, I had seen some fundamental shifts in how Apple is approaching the user-computer interaction.
Unbelievable as it sounds, after nearly 8 months of preaching, he stands up, and asks, "You personally bought a Mac?"
"Yes."
"What'd you pay?"
"$2100 fully loaded."
"Okay, I'll buy one."
"Really?", I reply, shocked. "Now, the Windows dual boot is only a possibility right now...it doesn't exist."
And he says, with resolve, "Well, if it'll serve as a UNIX platform on my desk, then it'll be worth it."
I say, "It'll do that. At a minimum, it'll do that well."
Schwing! That's two Macs in a department of ~110 PCs in two days. Woot!
In thinking about the predicament of those of us who bought the last G5 iMac, I have to wonder, why didn't Apple wait until the Intel Macs came to unload all the goodies like the built-in iSight, the remote, and Frontrow? That would have really added a wow factor to the first Intel Macs, and kick-started people into buying them. Why get into the cool stuff with their last model PPC iMac?
Yeah. That's my gripe. It's the specifics of the OCTOBER rev that look strange in retrospect.
They could have just speed bumped the G5 but they didn't - they chose to add a bunch of goodies to boost sales for that 3 month period.
The only other reason I can think of is that they were essentially field testing the resculpted iMac case / internal design so as not to run into any design-related "Rev A" problems when the Intel chips went live.
They are a company, they profit by sales. This profit is directed into the shareholder's hands and hopefully covers the cost of researching really cool things that us mac fanatics really need...
Shifty or no, it was a good market decision...
The other thing that people are forgetting is that this isn't like switching between two ppc processors, it is going to take some time for all of the various software companies to get their acts in gear and convert their apps to universal binaries... if i was in the market for a new mac, i would be hard pressed to but one of these new intel based machines because the precious software that i use on a day to day basis is not likely to be converted over any time soon...
Everyone needs to understand... apple had to sell power pc computers from last june until now... if they told everyone what they were releasing during those 6 months... sales would have cliff fallen. Is that fair to apple? They are actually looking out for the well being of their company... which in turn reflects teh well being of your using a mac. Without apple... you get windows / linux on cheap hardware. So its a trade off... take it how you want but its a fact of our society.
You have to remember that they were comparing the new duak core processer to a single core processer. The speed differences might not be as great if they compared apples to apples instead of apples to oranges.
Why get into the cool stuff with their last model PPC iMac?
If they did not, how they could market the last G5 model at the same price as the new Intel? They could not. It does not make perhaps much sense, but that's anyway what I am thinking at this moment.
No, I simply stated you are being unreasonable. But if you want to deal in schoolboy level insults then meet me afterschool at the bike racks and we can fight it out. But hey! it is your right to pissed about whatever you like. But ultimately, you are complaining about something that few if any, of us has the power to remedy. What's the point? In the larger picture does it make any difference? Has your financial health been imperiled? is it worth the stress you are causing your self? Meanwhile, I will be the one leaning against the Schwinn with the bananna seat.
Yeah. That's my gripe. It's the specifics of the OCTOBER rev that look strange in retrospect.
They could have just speed bumped the G5 but they didn't - they chose to add a bunch of goodies to boost sales for that 3 month period.
The only other reason I can think of is that they were essentially field testing the resculpted iMac case / internal design so as not to run into any design-related "Rev A" problems when the Intel chips went live.
That's smart, but shifty.
It's odd, I agree. But, my thought is also about getting the new casing design and specs out first so they could be tweaked. I have a feeling that because of this, there are going to be very few hardware problems.
I really am unsure of what to do at this point. I am totally split. I am concerned about PPC apps on a new one.
For example, what can I expect from iPod video encoding apps? SoundStudio? Sibelious? I also use a lot of Apple stuff too, including Mail and Safari, which are optimized.
In the long run, it would probably be better to go with the new one. For the next year though, it may not be. I really don't know. I really don't want to return it at this point. The problem is I would spec out the new one so that the cost would be higher. It would be ed price of $1599 plus the 256VRAM card, plus tax. That puts me over $1700 with tax, when I'd only get $150 in the mail for my Amazon rebate, and $1350 for returning the original. So it looks like we're talking $200 here.
$200 to upgrade now? Thoughts? I'm thinking no. What I may do is sell it later on ebay once some more universal apps come out (and the ebay glut of G5's subsides) and bugs begin to get worked out.
I am totally split. I am concerned about PPC apps on a new one. For example, what can I expect from iPod video encoding apps? SoundStudio? Sibelious? I also use a lot of Apple stuff too, including Mail and Safari, which are optimized.
. . .
$200 to upgrade now? Thoughts? I'm thinking no. What I may do is sell it later on ebay once some more universal apps come out (and the ebay glut of G5's subsides) and bugs begin to get worked out.
Despite the fact that I intentionally bought an iMac G5 -- essentially after the Intel iMacs were announced -- I'm also really confused. The thing is, I know I want an iMac G5, but how much would I have been better off to buy one used in a few months? Will the resale tank? I don't think it will, but it's hard to say.
Of course, I'm not a student, and probably have a bit more disposable income to the extent that in 12-18 months I can get an Intel MacBook without too many financial concerns. That may be the best option: to wait for 64 bit Merom. By that time, more progress will have been made on the transition, and the Merom should be much nicer than Yonah. The con here is the added cost.
If you're almost out of school you could drop the signing bonus on a Merom MacBook at that time. Unless, of course, you're in the long-term academia path, in which case I salute you. (But still don't have a good iMac solution for ya)
For example, what can I expect from iPod video encoding apps? SoundStudio? Sibelious? I also use a lot of Apple stuff too, including Mail and Safari, which are optimized.
Hmm, I'd really keep it if I were you. Who knows when Sibelius will go Intel. Presumably it will run under Rosetta, but you don't really know. Especially if you use MIDI with it, which requires drivers...
And even for universal apps, like iTunes, it appears to be encoding significantly slower than PPC apps. I'm sure it will all work itself out, but unless you're really interested in becoming an early adopter, I'd keep it. In a couple of years, when the Intel transition is going more smoothly, you can give your kids the iMac and buy an Intel Mac for yourself.
Hmm, I'd really keep it if I were you. Who knows when Sibelius will go Intel. Presumably it will run under Rosetta, but you don't really know. Especially if you use MIDI with it, which requires drivers...
And even for universal apps, like iTunes, it appears to be encoding significantly slower than PPC apps. I'm sure it will all work itself out, but unless you're really interested in becoming an early adopter, I'd keep it. In a couple of years, when the Intel transition is going more smoothly, you can give your kids the iMac and buy an Intel Mac for yourself.
Yeah....I'm starting to lean that way. Hey...it only took me four days to calm down! I'm still not settled with it. I may go play with an intel iMac at the Apple Store. If I feel it's that much faster...I might pull the trigger.
Oh, btw...the iTunes thing has apparently changed. The other thread has replies indicating people were getting 25x speeds in some cases (for a Hard Drive reencode).
OK, so I've made up my mind: I am not returning the G5. If I feel the need to upgrade in a year or so, then that's what I'll do. If I got the specs I want on the new one, we're talking a $200-300 loss (it would have to be ebay at this point). I can't justify that right now.
I went to the Apple store KOP. They didn't have any display iMacs with intel. I was surprised because usually unless a product is pre-announced (like the Macbook), they do. I talked to one of the employees and he seemed to be steering me away from upgrading. He did say he knows someone that setup an intel iMac...and it was extremely fast even on Word...which is of course not optimized. He also was talking about how surprised the store staff was at Apple's upgrade to the iMac. He said no one expected it would be updated so fast.
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Originally posted by godrifle
"High Teens" refers to numbers that are between 15 and 20. "Teens" refers to numbers that end with "teen", such as fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, etc.
OK, thanks, that clears it up.
the ship date had slipped to Dec. 19th.
Dang you gotta wait a year?
http://www.creativemac.com/articles/...e.jsp?id=36696
In particular:
We will, of course, perform much more extensive tests when we have the new hardware in our own hands. But the limited Photoshop tests showed that, at least for 2D graphics, the Intel-based iMacs seem to be a match for pro-level PowerPC hardware, even when the test software is running in emulation mode.
Originally posted by PB
In particular:
We will, of course, perform much more extensive tests when we have the new hardware in our own hands. But the limited Photoshop tests showed that, at least for 2D graphics, the Intel-based iMacs seem to be a match for pro-level PowerPC hardware, even when the test software is running in emulation mode.
Thats nice to know...... but as usual I don't believe what I see till i do the tests mahself... *shrugs* That would be cool though.. and definitely give me a reason to buy a pb now. AND YES.. i'm still calling them a powerbook.... its in a powerbooks body.... its a powerbook with an intel cpu..... get over it everyone. ITS A DAMN POWERBOOK..... POWERBOOK AAAAAAAAAAAAAA POWERRBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOK. NOT A MACBOOK PRO... A POWERBOOK IT IS A POWERBOOK A POWERBOOK.......
*huffs and puffs*
k got it out of mah system.
Originally posted by emig647
Thats nice to know...... but as usual I don't believe what I see till i do the tests mahself...
True, I am too waiting for more complete tests. I don't understand why we don't have them yet. The iMacs are out there for two days now.
In the last few days leading up to the keynote, iMacs just weren't on people's minds. Steve really surprised all of us with this one, but was in character: when you have a successful product, replace it (nota bene, the iPod mini to nano switch).
Unless you are a world-famous scientist at a top-secret lab researching the magnetic resonance flux created by changing speeds in the flow of the earth's mantel, you are unlikely to notice the speed bump, or at least not be able to survive without it. (Shouldn't have written that... oh no.. there's a knock at the doors...) Everyone thinks they have to have the latest and the greatest. There are lots of rather old machines out there that still do some pretty great work. And look at the comparatively lowly Mac minis that are driving cars!
Also, there is always the concern of growing pains. The first model in a line often experiences something, whether be excessive heat, noisy fans, power supply issues. I'm sure the members here can supply a rather detailed list. This is the test model to weed out any problems.
There is then the software issue. It's going to take a year for all of the major apps to be switcched over, so your original iMac might actually have been faster for certain things.
Originally posted by PB
Congrats for your purchase and welcome!
Thanks bunches. It's good to be back. Well, approaching being back, anyway.
Good news comes in droves, apparently. I've been fighting the good fight with the powers that be at the university where I work, trying to convince them that they suffer from a form of computer bigotry (my last university-purchased computer, a P.O.S. Gateway 'top of the line' laptop, was purchased after administration gave me the green light by saying: "You have $2500 to buy any computer you want....except a Mac". That hurt. I'm a web designer.
This bigotry is so bad, in fact, that I finally resorted to buying a new iMac last night to help me make the point. Well, today, one of the big wheels in the system actually sat in my office and listened to my iMac Duo-inflamed, impassioned plea, where I described the tight work-flow that OS X provides; peppered with details of my various experiences on Microsoft operating systems, Amiga OS, early Mac OS, Solaris, etc. I told him that in all my years under the hood with these operating systems, I had seen some fundamental shifts in how Apple is approaching the user-computer interaction.
Unbelievable as it sounds, after nearly 8 months of preaching, he stands up, and asks, "You personally bought a Mac?"
"Yes."
"What'd you pay?"
"$2100 fully loaded."
"Okay, I'll buy one."
"Really?", I reply, shocked. "Now, the Windows dual boot is only a possibility right now...it doesn't exist."
And he says, with resolve, "Well, if it'll serve as a UNIX platform on my desk, then it'll be worth it."
I say, "It'll do that. At a minimum, it'll do that well."
Schwing! That's two Macs in a department of ~110 PCs in two days. Woot!
Originally posted by BRussell
In thinking about the predicament of those of us who bought the last G5 iMac, I have to wonder, why didn't Apple wait until the Intel Macs came to unload all the goodies like the built-in iSight, the remote, and Frontrow? That would have really added a wow factor to the first Intel Macs, and kick-started people into buying them. Why get into the cool stuff with their last model PPC iMac?
Yeah. That's my gripe. It's the specifics of the OCTOBER rev that look strange in retrospect.
They could have just speed bumped the G5 but they didn't - they chose to add a bunch of goodies to boost sales for that 3 month period.
The only other reason I can think of is that they were essentially field testing the resculpted iMac case / internal design so as not to run into any design-related "Rev A" problems when the Intel chips went live.
That's smart, but shifty.
Shifty or no, it was a good market decision...
The other thing that people are forgetting is that this isn't like switching between two ppc processors, it is going to take some time for all of the various software companies to get their acts in gear and convert their apps to universal binaries... if i was in the market for a new mac, i would be hard pressed to but one of these new intel based machines because the precious software that i use on a day to day basis is not likely to be converted over any time soon...
Originally posted by BRussell
Why get into the cool stuff with their last model PPC iMac?
If they did not, how they could market the last G5 model at the same price as the new Intel? They could not. It does not make perhaps much sense, but that's anyway what I am thinking at this moment.
Originally posted by SDW2001
(Correctly-spelled personal attack deleted - JL).
No, I simply stated you are being unreasonable. But if you want to deal in schoolboy level insults then meet me afterschool at the bike racks and we can fight it out. But hey! it is your right to pissed about whatever you like. But ultimately, you are complaining about something that few if any, of us has the power to remedy. What's the point? In the larger picture does it make any difference? Has your financial health been imperiled? is it worth the stress you are causing your self? Meanwhile, I will be the one leaning against the Schwinn with the bananna seat.
Originally posted by Shalmaneser
Yeah. That's my gripe. It's the specifics of the OCTOBER rev that look strange in retrospect.
They could have just speed bumped the G5 but they didn't - they chose to add a bunch of goodies to boost sales for that 3 month period.
The only other reason I can think of is that they were essentially field testing the resculpted iMac case / internal design so as not to run into any design-related "Rev A" problems when the Intel chips went live.
That's smart, but shifty.
It's odd, I agree. But, my thought is also about getting the new casing design and specs out first so they could be tweaked. I have a feeling that because of this, there are going to be very few hardware problems.
I really am unsure of what to do at this point. I am totally split. I am concerned about PPC apps on a new one.
For example, what can I expect from iPod video encoding apps? SoundStudio? Sibelious? I also use a lot of Apple stuff too, including Mail and Safari, which are optimized.
In the long run, it would probably be better to go with the new one. For the next year though, it may not be. I really don't know. I really don't want to return it at this point. The problem is I would spec out the new one so that the cost would be higher. It would be ed price of $1599 plus the 256VRAM card, plus tax. That puts me over $1700 with tax, when I'd only get $150 in the mail for my Amazon rebate, and $1350 for returning the original. So it looks like we're talking $200 here.
$200 to upgrade now? Thoughts? I'm thinking no. What I may do is sell it later on ebay once some more universal apps come out (and the ebay glut of G5's subsides) and bugs begin to get worked out.
Originally posted by SDW2001
I am totally split. I am concerned about PPC apps on a new one. For example, what can I expect from iPod video encoding apps? SoundStudio? Sibelious? I also use a lot of Apple stuff too, including Mail and Safari, which are optimized.
. . .
$200 to upgrade now? Thoughts? I'm thinking no. What I may do is sell it later on ebay once some more universal apps come out (and the ebay glut of G5's subsides) and bugs begin to get worked out.
Despite the fact that I intentionally bought an iMac G5 -- essentially after the Intel iMacs were announced -- I'm also really confused. The thing is, I know I want an iMac G5, but how much would I have been better off to buy one used in a few months? Will the resale tank? I don't think it will, but it's hard to say.
Of course, I'm not a student, and probably have a bit more disposable income to the extent that in 12-18 months I can get an Intel MacBook without too many financial concerns. That may be the best option: to wait for 64 bit Merom. By that time, more progress will have been made on the transition, and the Merom should be much nicer than Yonah. The con here is the added cost.
If you're almost out of school you could drop the signing bonus on a Merom MacBook at that time.
Originally posted by SDW2001
For example, what can I expect from iPod video encoding apps? SoundStudio? Sibelious? I also use a lot of Apple stuff too, including Mail and Safari, which are optimized.
Hmm, I'd really keep it if I were you. Who knows when Sibelius will go Intel. Presumably it will run under Rosetta, but you don't really know. Especially if you use MIDI with it, which requires drivers...
And even for universal apps, like iTunes, it appears to be encoding significantly slower than PPC apps. I'm sure it will all work itself out, but unless you're really interested in becoming an early adopter, I'd keep it. In a couple of years, when the Intel transition is going more smoothly, you can give your kids the iMac and buy an Intel Mac for yourself.
Originally posted by BRussell
Hmm, I'd really keep it if I were you. Who knows when Sibelius will go Intel. Presumably it will run under Rosetta, but you don't really know. Especially if you use MIDI with it, which requires drivers...
And even for universal apps, like iTunes, it appears to be encoding significantly slower than PPC apps. I'm sure it will all work itself out, but unless you're really interested in becoming an early adopter, I'd keep it. In a couple of years, when the Intel transition is going more smoothly, you can give your kids the iMac and buy an Intel Mac for yourself.
Yeah....I'm starting to lean that way. Hey...it only took me four days to calm down! I'm still not settled with it. I may go play with an intel iMac at the Apple Store. If I feel it's that much faster...I might pull the trigger.
Oh, btw...the iTunes thing has apparently changed. The other thread has replies indicating people were getting 25x speeds in some cases (for a Hard Drive reencode).
I went to the Apple store KOP. They didn't have any display iMacs with intel. I was surprised because usually unless a product is pre-announced (like the Macbook), they do. I talked to one of the employees and he seemed to be steering me away from upgrading. He did say he knows someone that setup an intel iMac...and it was extremely fast even on Word...which is of course not optimized. He also was talking about how surprised the store staff was at Apple's upgrade to the iMac. He said no one expected it would be updated so fast.
So there you have it. I am a little calmer now.