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nunzy said:65.5% of Americans use iOS? Is that accurate?I thought that iPhone had around 35 or 40% of the American market. Does iPad make up the difference?
“We looked at data from millions of users across Mixpanel’s 20,000-plus customers to study the state of mobile in the first half of 2018.”
Mixpanel was founded in 2009 and had an app to track user interactions in their Android or iOS app beginning in 2015.
larrystar said:I love Apple but I’m tired of them saying the iPhone X is full screen there’s clearly a black bezel around the phone and that very ugly notch, then the camera bump really and they want at least $1000 for this 64 gigs it’s time to take a stand and say no.
1. No one is forcing anyone to buy any phone.
2. There is no such thing as a full screen/zero bezel phone.
There is instead a screen to body ratio and the iPhone X does very well with that measurement.
3. You think there is a "very ugly notch".
I think it looks fine. Partly because I understand the reason for it in terms of UI and with keeping the phone more compact.
4. A camera bump is not exclusive to the iPhone X. A bump has been on iPhones for years.
apple jockey said:By my take, this incident will require a more nuanced second act by Apple in response to the public criticism they may well now be in for because of this father and daughters misjudgments.
An example of the double standard is where Tesla can fire hundreds of employees (and some of them claimed it was unfair).
The overall reaction on the web has been to support Tesla.
But to part of the public Apple is always wrong.
An Apple employee let his daughter not only use a preproduciton iPhone X but allowed her to post a video of it and release sensitive/confidential data to the public.
The reaction of those who strongly dislike Apple of course will be; Apple should not fire the guy even when the cause to do so is clear.
cato1040 said:As a reminder to those reading, I did my first post because someone has asking about objective facts. Almost all reviewers (not just bloggers) found FaceID to be imperfect. I prefer the option of both fingerprint and face unlocking, but if FaceID alone works for you, that's great. Also, objectively, the S8 has more screen real estate and a higher screen to body ratio, you can look it up. It goes wider than the iPhone. The iPhone gives the illusion of otherwise, but the numbers don't lie. The S8 also does have a button at the bottom of the screen, it's just hidden behind the screen (apparently it's very well hidden ;D). I'll admit that though the presence of controls is objective, their influence on the user is subjective. I use an iPad, and there's no way I could go back or multitask with it as quickly or as easily as on my S8, but if you're okay with that, that's fine. I also prefer using headphones I don't need to charge without a dongle, but that's me.
I do get your complaint about Samsung being first off the block but I'd rather at least have the option. Don't get me wrong, Android's aren't without fault as demonstrated by the Note 7 and the Pixel 2. The issue is that for better or worse, the iPhone sets the standards, and unless their clients demand better, the standard will remain placid. The quality of the iPhone generally sets the quality of phones in general. (Though Apple does have fantastic service.)
In your first comment you said about certain iPhone users; "want to open the eyes of some iSheep who don't know what they're missing out on."
Since your topic is "objective facts"; You call some people iSheep (an insult), they will insult you back.
1. Your main underlying comparison is between the iPhone as a whole and all Android phones;
You wrote; "they've started falling behind at the iPhone 4 and haven't seemed to be able to recover though most people enamoured by their marketing seem to miss this."
- But then you pull a trick where you only compare the iPhone X with many Android phones.
Besides being irritating to cherry pick the features of several phones against one phone, that leads to multiple strawman arguments.
- Fact; the iPhone X does not equal all iPhones being sold by Apple today.
- You don't like things (or possible problems) about the iPhone X; FaceID, the battery life, working in the cold, the green line, without a home button...; then the customer can get an iPhone 8 Plus.
- You don't like other things; it's expensive, no headphone jack, more breakable iPhone; the customer can get an iPhone 7 Plus or 6S Plus.
(And don't add another strawman that these are slow phones. Several iPhone models are fast compared with Android phones according to real world tests.)
* The fact is that the iPhone customer has options with several different devices to choose from. And that demolishes most of your arguments.
2. Other Android vs iOS issues;
"it has no back button..., they could have switched over to USB C..., iOS gives the user less control over their phone's interface"
These are tech preferences. You care about that, which is your privilege but I don't.
- What do I care about?
- On Ars Technica even Android fans admit compared with iOS; the Android OS update system is a mess, security is inferior, and Google with its advertising model is weaker on privacy for users compared with Apple.
That is often why things like cloud services are cheaper with Google because they are mining all your private data for ads.
- Many Android users report the OS skins slowing down over time. Google Nexus/Pixel can fix some of these problems but in many ways the hardware of those phones is inferior to iPhones.
With my tech preferences; iOS is superior to Android.
seanismorris said:jdw said:The continued presence of the "notch" coupled with what consumers perceive as the biggest bang for the buck is no doubt driving this.
Also, IPhone have been better at security but Cellebrite can crack both iPhones and Android. (Bad guys can buy them on eBay)
Apple has the better App Store, but the gap has narrowed.
I think people look at what’s available and conclude Android is the better value. Personally, I don’t use Apple services to a great extent so migrating isn’t that big a deal. I’m fine with my 6s until it dies and don’t see a reason to buy ultra premium.
I, like most people, will look at what givens the most bang for the buck. Apple is pushing things like AR and the camera, which aren’t that important. Security, build quality are things I care about...
20 years ago, the idea of letting a company look at all your mail, calendar appointments, trips using a map to target you for junk ads would be considered nuts.
But today millions are fine if Google or Amazon do it.
Millions are even fine with a company using a microphone/speaker listening in on personal conversations throughout their house! Again for targeted ads.
* One of Apple’s big features is privacy. But their hardware cost has to pay for that.
- A lot of people say; ‘screw privacy! I can get this Android phone $300 cheaper.’ ‘I can get these $50 speakers to put all over my house which answer my questions & allow me to buy things from Amazon.’
- When features are “good enough” for the average user, price is the deciding factor.
GeorgeBMac said:lkrupp said:viclauyyc said:
apple sure don’t need outside investors to fund ny project like many company.For many, Apple's biggest attraction has been its horde of cash... They do have a nice operating profit. But that's at far more risk from competition or a manufacturing/design error than a Microsoft. (MS screws up all the time but all they have to do publish another update -- but Apple has a "--Gate" with every new release and nobody knows if or when one of them is going to stick.)Product wise Apple has always had all over Microsoft. But Microsoft has always had a better business model.
Bill Gates spoke about a natural PC OS monopoly in the 80s and MS has it on the desktop with Windows. That led to the MS Office monopoly and now that supports subscriptions to Office.
The financial analysts understand this. They know that MS has desktop monopolies in big companies (including the ones they work for) and in government.
- Now to Microsoft’s screw ups. They are sometimes terrible. Here are just a few of them.
* But very important; many companies and governments are locked into MS products no matter how bad the products can be. For the enterprise, overall, Mac OS or Linux are not replacements for Windows and the MS ecosystem.
- MS may sometimes release junk but companies/government are dependent on MS products.
That = monopoly and that = a steady stream of $.
** The appeal of Apple’s products is not understood by most financial analysts. Add to that the horde of uninformed Apple haters who don’t have a clue of the preferences of Apple product buyers which keeps the theme of much of tech journalism; spreading ignorance about Apple and its customers.
- A US financial network, CNBC, will often have talking heads who claim that Apple is doomed because everyone is going to switch to cheap Android phones and watches. This has a 10 year old level of understanding of Apple tech and its customers but it doesn’t matter.
Ignorance makes money with views of tech journalist articles/videos and with the shorting of Apple stock.
D_CMills said:It is amazing that these people are able to keep their jobs year after year.
With Apple a lot of tech journalists/analysts specialize in FUD.
And trashing Apple has a large audience of fans of competing ecosystems who dislike Apple.
Apple bashing makes money.
For years the Macalope / Macworld column has been tracking journalists/analysts who bash Apple.
Mike Wuerthele said:MacPro said:Mike Wuerthele said:MacPro said:Before I retired and closed my business, all our Apple equipment was purchased through the Apple Business division, not the local store. If something went wrong we had a hotline.
One day I recall, an Apple 30" monitor died in the middle of production for an ESPN show we were editing at around 4 p.m. and I called the business support line. We received a replacement at 8 a.m. the next morning before work began along with special packing for the dead one and Apple collected that the next day.
Has Apple closed its business division? Do professional clients now carry a Mac Pro to their local store? Really?
If you're under the threshold, you're buying at Apple Retail or online.
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AppleCare for Enterprise is available in volume-based price tiers starting at 1000 and 5000 covered devices. Contact Apple, an Apple Authorized Reseller, or an Authorized Carrier Partner to receive a quote for AppleCare for Enterprise.”
So you are saying that the minimum cost for AppleCare for Enterprise is $25,000.
It’s important to know this. If I spent ~$15,000 on a MacPro set up, I would want the best AppleCare support & would not be using my nearest AppleStore to support that computer.
Imagine a company looking through your mail, tracking where you go & what you buy to send advertising to you. In the past that would have been intolerable.
But that is what Google does. It mines data on its apps, ties it to the user and uses that data to send individualized ads to the customer.
This is how Google makes most of its money.
In addition, Apple has top notch customer service & devices which have OS support/updates for many years.
The Apple ecosystem works well across its devices.
Apple products by & large are simple to use & yet are very powerful.
For all those things which benefit me, I’m willing to pay a reasonable amount more.