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mac_128 said:Mike Wuerthele said:bradchatellier said:Anyone who thinks that adoption rate is unrealistic probably doesn't own a pair or know people who do. My girlfriend just bought five pairs of these as Xmas gifts for people who work in her office, as they are *transformative* for people who work on the phone like they all do. A doctor friend I had dinner with last night said that a number of admins in her ward were just issued them. They are phenomenal. I've been holding off pending release of the first major revision and I'm feeling extremely impatient about it.
110 million in the field in total by 2021? I'll go with that. 110 million sold in 2021 alone seems improbable. That's the think about analysts predicting sales numbers for products that don't get broken out individually -- we'll never know if they were right, and they can make the predictions and claim that they got it right without fear.
Albeit anecdotal, I’ve seen far more AirPods in the field than Apple Watches. And, I’ve seen them increase much more quickly than the watch.
I’ve seen multiple Apple Watches in the field (shopping & at doctor’s offices).
I’ve seen zero AirPods in public; where people need to pay attention to where they are going & are interacting with people.
In public an Apple Watch is a device which can simply be worn in almost any situation where it might be useful as needed (for quietly getting notifications or quickly making payments).
GeorgeBMac said:lkrupp said:viclauyyc said:
apple sure don’t need outside investors to fund ny project like many company.For many, Apple's biggest attraction has been its horde of cash... They do have a nice operating profit. But that's at far more risk from competition or a manufacturing/design error than a Microsoft. (MS screws up all the time but all they have to do publish another update -- but Apple has a "--Gate" with every new release and nobody knows if or when one of them is going to stick.)Product wise Apple has always had all over Microsoft. But Microsoft has always had a better business model.
Bill Gates spoke about a natural PC OS monopoly in the 80s and MS has it on the desktop with Windows. That led to the MS Office monopoly and now that supports subscriptions to Office.
The financial analysts understand this. They know that MS has desktop monopolies in big companies (including the ones they work for) and in government.
- Now to Microsoft’s screw ups. They are sometimes terrible. Here are just a few of them.
* But very important; many companies and governments are locked into MS products no matter how bad the products can be. For the enterprise, overall, Mac OS or Linux are not replacements for Windows and the MS ecosystem.
- MS may sometimes release junk but companies/government are dependent on MS products.
That = monopoly and that = a steady stream of $.
** The appeal of Apple’s products is not understood by most financial analysts. Add to that the horde of uninformed Apple haters who don’t have a clue of the preferences of Apple product buyers which keeps the theme of much of tech journalism; spreading ignorance about Apple and its customers.
- A US financial network, CNBC, will often have talking heads who claim that Apple is doomed because everyone is going to switch to cheap Android phones and watches. This has a 10 year old level of understanding of Apple tech and its customers but it doesn’t matter.
Ignorance makes money with views of tech journalist articles/videos and with the shorting of Apple stock.
lenn said:Cook and Apple once again talk a big game but when India or China threatens to cut off their big economies to them Apple bends over and grabs their ankles. So sick of everyone thinking Apple is the second coming or something. They are a "for profit" company that is driven by the almighty dollar and all that other B.S. Cook and the gang spouts about human rights, the environment, ect is just a good advertising campaign that the media has fallen for.
Long time Mac user but still using a BB 9900.
Also, while a Blackberry phone may work for you, an iPhone can be much more useful to other customers.
Considering BlackBerry’s small marketshare, I don’t think I’m the only one who believes that.
in the end, for most smart phone users, the competition is between Apple/iOS and Google/Android.
Typical Android phones are directing users to Google services. Google’s mines data from “free” services like Gmail, Chrome, Google Maps & Google Drive for ads. As a result Google makes most of its money from ads based on massive data mining. https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/020515/business-google.asp
* Apple by contrast makes most of its money from hardware sales especially from the iPhone.
(Apple has minor ad revenue such as with their News app. But opting out of that is easy just by not using it. Or through App Store searches which is minor level advertising compared with massive data mining which produces most of Google’s revenue.)
Andrew_OSU said:bb-15 said:“Is the iPad Pro really a pro device?”
I’ll put aside the small niche use of pro artwork/photo editing with the Apple Pencil (or simple point of sale registers).
Also, any tablet/large smartphone can be used for basic note taking/form input in the field (such as in a doctor’s office). That doesn’t make it a professional computer device.
* ~$1000 Laptops are commonly used by professionals which can completely do all their job computer tasks.
The test is whether the 2018 iPad Pro could completely replace a laptop for typical professional work.
In most situations I know of the 2018 iPad Pro falls short.
- For instance in an office setting with multiple computers for basic word processing, email, video attachments, database programs.
Hardware: The 2018 iPad Pro can connect to a larger monitor with the iPad + Apple Pencil trying to act as a trackpad/mouse substitute. (Complete control of the UI by the Pencil would be needed.)
But to charge the 2018 iPad at the same time needs a dongle. If one gets a video (with sound) to review, you need a dongle to work with wired headphones+charging+video out. I haven’t heard if that’s possible with the 2018 iPad Pro yet.
The 2018 iPad Pro needs more ports.
Software: besides problems with file management, iOS needs multiple floating windows, including in the email app, for better work flow.
- The 2018 iPad Pro falls short to replace a laptop in typical basic office work.
I also don't see the issue of one port. When connected to most USB-C monitors, the tablet charges at the same time, so a non-issue. Otherwise, it still lasts many hours before needing to be charged. It could powered up over lunch, or a cheap adapter can be picked up, a minimal expense for a workplace. Headphones can be Bluetooth which would nullify that issue as well. Most offices used shared document solutions such as cloud storage or private servers, which all can be accessed on iPad, again, not an issue.
I know it won't fit in many offices yet, but many offices can easily use iPads as computer replacements.
Also realize, my main home computer is an iPad. My wife and I have used them for years.
* As for the rest of this, I’d mention that if a certain software OS or hardware feature has existed for decades and continues to exist, then there is a reason for it.
- With software ease of use, multiple floating windows continue to be an OS feature on the Mac and Windows. Even for email with multiple replies and opening attachments, I prefer to use my Mac over my iPad because of the multi floating windows feature.
- As for ports a couple of things;
In a business, often the equipment for the employee is the cheapest available. So commonly there is an HDMI monitor and 3.5 mm earbuds. And that would come with a laptop or tower.
Second, in pro computers ports have value. Why else would Apple put in the most ports in their professional level computers (up to 4 TB in the MBP) while one of their least capable products, the MacBook, has only one USB-C port (+headphone jack)?
volcan said:bb-15 said:
~$1000 Laptops are commonly used by professionals which can completely do all their job computer tasks.
A laptop can be used as a desktop while connected to a larger monitor at natural height. That’s how I’ve used them in my company.
There are many jobs where employees work in an office and also have meetings in the field.
In my company if the worker had a laptop, they would unplug it from the monitor for use outside of the office.
* A laptop is a professional computer device because it can do desktop office work and then be taken into the field as the job requires.
This double use is cost effective.
For typical professional work the iPad Pro can’t easily do basic desktop business tasks as I described.