bb-15

crowley said:

bb-15 said:

crowley said:

bb-15 said:

A user lends their phone to a friend, that friend uploads the wrong kind of image, that is report to NDMEC then law enforcement & then the phone owner has a the police barging into their house. 

You would need to do that something like 30 times for the police to come barging on your door.  Do you even lend your phone to a friend for anything other than a quick call?  I don't.  These gotchas that people are offering are always such a preposterous stretch.  

You have what is called confirmation bias.
From your response you assume that in the history of cell phones that the lending of a phone can only occur for a few seconds.
You probably believe that no one has ever had more than one cell phone line under their name with more than one phone number.
Therefore you come to your conclusions based on your bias & lack of information.  

I will inform you of some facts. 
1. A person can have more than one cell phone line & more than one cell phone using different lines. 
This is true of my brother & my best friend’s girlfriend. 
2. It is possible for a person who has an extra cell phone (with a separate line) to lend that to another person for several weeks/months. 
My brother lent his wife one of his phones for months. My best friend’s girlfriend lent one of her phones to her family member for months. 

Ok, fair enough, I don't always consider every possible weird circumstance that might be within the realm of human possibility.  So is it your brother or his wife that you think might be uploading CSAM to iCloud?

More to the point, without there facetiousness, you've constructed a scenario, now explain how it might lead to an actual, real world problem with Apple's CSAM solution.

It’s fine. A lot of strange things can happen in this world that many people don’t know about. One of many examples in my long life;
- One morning I was in bed with a new girlfriend, when the police (without warning) were let in by the apartment manager. They asked who I was, then they questioned my new girlfriend (while we were in bed) about the location of her former boyfriend. They said he was wanted on child sexual abuse charges.
- Today, child sexual abuse often involves entrapping young teenagers over social media. A perpetrator using someone else’s cell phone would be one way to do that.  
- When I was in college I shared an apartment with 3 other guys. Also, friends came in & out at all hours. People were up while others were sleeping, & two of us slept on couches in the living room, with valuables in a pants pocket. In that situation it’s pretty easy to get something without someone knowing it & put it back later. If questioned about that, the roomie could say, ‘hey dude my cellphone wasn’t working so I borrowed yours’.  

crowley said:

bb-15 said:

A user lends their phone to a friend, that friend uploads the wrong kind of image, that is report to NDMEC then law enforcement & then the phone owner has a the police barging into their house. 

You would need to do that something like 30 times for the police to come barging on your door.  Do you even lend your phone to a friend for anything other than a quick call?  I don't.  These gotchas that people are offering are always such a preposterous stretch.  

You have what is called confirmation bias.
From your response you assume that in the history of cell phones that the lending of a phone can only occur for a few seconds.
You probably believe that no one has ever had more than one cell phone line under their name with more than one phone number.
Therefore you come to your conclusions based on your bias & lack of information.  

I will inform you of some facts. 
1. A person can have more than one cell phone line & more than one cell phone using different lines. 
This is true of my brother & my best friend’s girlfriend. 
2. It is possible for a person who has an extra cell phone (with a separate line) to lend that to another person for several weeks/months. 
My brother lent his wife one of his phones for months. My best friend’s girlfriend lent one of her phones to her family member for months. 

mr. h said:

fastasleep said:

You have Spotlight indexing everything every day. You have Photos using machine learning to identify faces and pets and objects every day. What's to stop Apple from exfiltrating that data at any point? … Live Text is coming to iOS 15 and macOS Monterey and is going to make a whole lot of image-based text indexable, why aren't people freaking out about that?

Why are none of the naysayers in this thread addressing this extremely valid point? The above features, which have been in iOS for years (apart from Live Text, obviously) actually fit the profile of what is being complained about, far more than the newly-proposed CSAM detection process.

It’s not a valid point. In the past Tim Cook has stated that Apple has the ability to mine all your data in iOS (Safari, iMessage, Maps, Photos) & either make money from it as Google does (I’m not counting News or the App Store) or turn that information over to law enforcement.
- In the past Tim Cook has said Apple would not do this.
That Apple would not mine all your data for money or mine all your data so it could be turned over to law enforcement.
- Apple specifically took steps to protect user privacy such as encryption which Apple would not break.
A famous example was the San Bernardino terrorist attack where Apple said they could / would not provide law enforcement with encrypted information. 

* What is new here with CSAM?
From Apple;
”new technology in iOS and iPadOS* will allow Apple to detect known CSAM images stored in iCloud Photos. This will enable Apple to report these instances to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC). NCMEC acts as a comprehensive reporting center for CSAM and works in collaboration with law enforcement agencies across the United States.”

A user lends their phone to a friend, that friend uploads the wrong kind of image, that is report to NDMEC then law enforcement & then the phone owner has a the police barging into their house.

* Apple has decided to become an extension of law enforcement. Imo it is not Apple’’s job to police the world.
It is the job of parents to safeguard their children from the disturbing & harmful material on the internet.     
Apple should not become Big Brother & demolish their past history of privacy. 

Mike Wuerthele said:

MacPro said:

Mike Wuerthele said:

MacPro said:

Before I retired and closed my business, all our Apple equipment was purchased through the Apple Business division, not the local store.  If something went wrong we had a hotline.  

One day I recall, an Apple 30" monitor died in the middle of production for an ESPN show we were editing at around 4 p.m. and I called the business support line.  We received a replacement at 8 a.m. the next morning before work began along with special packing for the dead one and Apple collected that the next day.  

Has Apple closed its business division?  Do professional clients now carry a Mac Pro to their local store?  Really?

The business division has minimum purchase limits, and they aren't small.

If you're under the threshold, you're buying at Apple Retail or online.

So, what are those limits these days?  Just curious.  I would have thought the vast majority of those purchasing a new Mac Pro would be in that category.

There are a few thresholds on purchase volumes by number or by dollar, but the lowest one is $25K.

This is from Apple;

”Get AppleCare for Enterprise now.

lkrupp said:

gatorguy said:

kkqd1337 said:

crosslad said:

I’d be more impressed by Google if they concentrated on fixing their own security issues instead of Apple’s. 

Now THIS is a valid comment. 

As an iPhone user I am very pleased that Google is helping to improve my iPhone. But I can't understand why Google can't improve the balance of an their open platform with a safer/more secure platform. Windows 10 is much better in this regard these days.

Google improves their platform security every month with regular pushed updates to devices they sell, and on rare occasion more often than that. EOM's (who they don't control) get those same security updates supplied to them in advance of the the Google device rollout. Did you think they don't, and if so based on what?

If you do any current reading you'd come away with the realization that Google Android today is not Google Android of 10 years ago. Now they're generally seen as close to if not equally as secure as iOS by most security professionals I see offering honest comment. 

BTW the very latest Win10 update bonkered one of my RIP stations (but not the other??) so no I'm not particular happy with them these days. 

So anyway users of any computer operating system should be thankful for the efforts of Google's Project Zero team. Without them no one's platform of choice would be as secure as it is, nor would the OS providers be as driven to push out patches. 

What you conveniently leave out, of course, is the fact that many Android device manufacturers other than Google itself rarely if ever push updates out to their customers.It’s usually months and months before a few manufacturers issue updates. And as you have stated elsewhere the Pixel is a tiny blip on the smartphone radar screen. Many Android devices never get an update during their lifespan and are therefore vulnerable to all the security flaws discovered. Apple, on the other hand, all but forces iOS users to update their devices on a regular basis. Some scream bloody murder about being annoyed by Apple’s persistent notices to update. So the Google emperor has no clothes when it comes to touting security updates and patches. In the real world Android is the leaky security risk, not Apple.