bb-15

StrangeDays said:

coolfactor said:

macxpress said:

M68000 said:

Looking forward to watching real world reviews of this new computer and monitor.  Yes it may seem expensive, but when you think that it's possible to get 10 years out of a computer this powerful and this monitor will certainly not be obsolete any time soon - is it really that expensive over time ?   Instead of buying 2 or 3 high end desktops\laptops in 10 years - just buy this... 

I think it all depends on what you're doing. I doubt any serious professional (company) is gonna buy one and expect it to last 10yrs. For most companies the standard length they keep a computer around (Mac or PC) is 3yrs before its considered EOL (End of Life). That doesn't mean its useless, its just a standard some companies go by. 

I could be living in a totally different world, but I've seen companies (and myself!) hold onto the same computers for 10 years. My current laptop is 6 years old and still good as new, running Mojave. And do you remember the XP years? Windows XP lasted 10 years, and people ran it on the same hardware that whole time. So the three-year timespan is questionable in my mind, and I think the Mac Pro has 10 years in it, easy. It's a real workhorse.

I’ve worked American enterprise as a contractor for almost 20 years, none of the many companies I’ve worked for had us using machines older than a few years. My personal computer at home, yes (last iMac went 8 years), but never corporate machines. 

The debate goes back & forth; do some companies / agencies keep computers for 5 to 10 years? Yes. (I’ve seen it.) 
Do some companies replace computers after 3 years? Yes. I’ve see that too. 

** But this is a comment thread about the Mac Pro. The question is; do companies like Pixar, which have stated that they use Mac Pros, change those computers after 3 years on a rigid schedule which forces their departments to give up their machines? 
I doubt it. 
Why? 
* We must first begin w/ the reality that the Mac Pro has always been a niche, high end machine for the most demanding video/film projects. 
If they are in the middle of a project & no new Mac Pro is available after 3 years, would they tell one of their teams, ‘OK you all need to switch to new machines this month. Back up your files & since no new Mac Pro is available, you will switch to PC hardware which will have new versions of your software’.
I doubt a studio would do something like that.
* I have read that both the old tower Mac Pro and the tube Mac Pro could be used for 5 years in movie studios/departments.   

danvm said:

bb-15 said:

danvm said:

StrangeDays said:

OutdoorAppDeveloper said:

How does the GPU ray tracing compare to a NVIDIA Windows laptop for half the price?

Who cares, you'd be stuck running a crappier OS.

Based in the experience of my customer, Windows 10 have been excellent.  No issues at all running AutoCAD, Revit, BIM 360 and Adobe CC, among other specialized applications.  Plus I have the flexibility of choosing a list of hardware and options not available with macOS.  Maybe you prefer macOS over Windows.  But it doesn't means Windows is a "crappier OS".  

Major OS comparisons are always going to be subjective. 
For instance for me, the problems w/ some Windows 10 updates (some even leading to data loss) puts me off on upgrading/using that OS (which I easily could do on an iMac through Boot Camp).
See Ars Technica for articles about the Windows 10 update problem. 

** You may argue that some Mac updates can also have problems but that is a different situation. 
* In my experience w/ IS for many years, there is a lot more malware written for Windows compared w/ the Mac. 
As a result a Windows user (which includes me for several years) should do OS updates as soon as they are available.
By contrast a Mac user can wait to see how a Mac OS update performs since the Mac user is at less risk to getting malware.
** You may argue that in side by side contests a Mac computer is just as easily hacked as a Windows machine. But those hacking contests don’t replicate the risk in the real world.
Because Windows is almost always the standard in big business, banking, government, there is an economic incentive to produce more malware for Windows.  

*** Result; for some use cases Windows 10 can be considered a worse OS compared w/ Mac OS. I wouldn’t use the term crappier because that’s not my style but the meaning is the same. 
And the answer remains, it depends on the user. 

(PS. I can bring up other reasons why a person may choose to use the Mac/Apple products in general but I prefer to present one reason at a time.)

I suppose the data loss issue you mentioned was for the Windows 10 October 2018 upgrade, where some users reported missing documents.  The thing is that macOS Catalina had issues with missing data, in this case emails lost,   

https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/10/12/missing-message-issues-plague-mail-users-in-macos-catalina

How is this better or worst than what happened with the Windows 10 upgrade and the missing files?  There are Ars articles, among many other articles about Windows 10 upgrade issues.  But I can find articles about issues with macOS and iOS updates.  The truth is that Windows and macOS and iOS have their list of recent problems. 

Windows 10 have more malware, and as you explained, being the most popular desktop OS maybe one the reasons.  But, what would happen if macOS had the Windows 10 market share, and became the target of hackers and malware?  Would it make it a worst OS than Windows?  

Both macOS and Windows 10 have their good and bad things.  I don't consider neither of them bad at all, or one better than the other, since both are very stable and secure.  Like I said before, which one is better is a matter of personal preference and the applications / tools the user needs to complete his/her workflow.  Someone may have their reasons to prefer macOS, but there are others that will give you their reasons to prefer Windows.  Again, personal preference.  Not necessarily that one is better or worse than the other.  

You do not understanding what I wrote or your bias won’t allow you to understand. 
- Again, the Mac user doesn’t have to upgrade immediately for the reasons I presented (less malware allows for waiting on updates). 
- But the Windows user including with 10 needs to upgrade right away (a huge amount of malware). That partly is what makes using Windows such an unpleasant experience for some (including me).
That is a point in favor of using a Mac for some users. 

* Speculations about what if the Mac had the same market share is a straw man argument.
Fact; Windows still has close to 90% desktop/laptop market share. Malware amounts stem from that. 

* You recommended the Lenovo Thinkpad and yet in 2015; 

• Lenovo was caught selling laptops pre-installed with Superfish malware that opened up doors for hackers.
• In August, Lenovo again got caught installing unwanted and non-removable malware into part of the BIOS reserved for custom drivers.

danvm said:

StrangeDays said:

OutdoorAppDeveloper said:

How does the GPU ray tracing compare to a NVIDIA Windows laptop for half the price?

Who cares, you'd be stuck running a crappier OS.

Based in the experience of my customer, Windows 10 have been excellent.  No issues at all running AutoCAD, Revit, BIM 360 and Adobe CC, among other specialized applications.  Plus I have the flexibility of choosing a list of hardware and options not available with macOS.  Maybe you prefer macOS over Windows.  But it doesn't means Windows is a "crappier OS".  

Major OS comparisons are always going to be subjective. 
For instance for me, the problems w/ some Windows 10 updates (some even leading to data loss) puts me off on upgrading/using that OS (which I easily could do on an iMac through Boot Camp).
See Ars Technica for articles about the Windows 10 update problem. 

** You may argue that some Mac updates can also have problems but that is a different situation. 
* In my experience w/ IS for many years, there is a lot more malware written for Windows compared w/ the Mac. 
As a result a Windows user (which includes me for several years) should do OS updates as soon as they are available.
By contrast a Mac user can wait to see how a Mac OS update performs since the Mac user is at less risk to getting malware.
** You may argue that in side by side contests a Mac computer is just as easily hacked as a Windows machine. But those hacking contests don’t replicate the risk in the real world.
Because Windows is almost always the standard in big business, banking, government, there is an economic incentive to produce more malware for Windows.  

*** Result; for some use cases Windows 10 can be considered a worse OS compared w/ Mac OS. I wouldn’t use the term crappier because that’s not my style but the meaning is the same. 
And the answer remains, it depends on the user. 

(PS. I can bring up other reasons why a person may choose to use the Mac/Apple products in general but I prefer to present one reason at a time.)

mac_128 said:

crosslad said:

Here’s how to solve your problems:

1 External Drive support - use a WiFi Drive
2 Lack if mouse - use the Apple Pencil
3 Headphone jack - use a dongle or a device with a usb c jack. 3.5 headphone jacks have gone from mobile devices
4 Overpowered - come on, rendering a video in less than half the time is a problem. It will also future proof the iPad. 
5 Storage - see 1

1. I agree. Or the cloud.
2. Pencil is the worst possible mouse substitute I can imagine, as not only must one move their hands from the keyboard to touch the screen, but then they have to pick up and put down a pencil, with no support to stabilize it in mid-air.
3. Great if someone is using an Android Phone with USB-C, unfortunately with an iPhone, one needs to carry two dongles, and that’s a poor solution. BT is better, if latency and audio quality are not a concern.
4. Agreed

In the context of using a 20018 iPad Pro as a laptop replacement with convenience as a main factor. 
1. While a WiFi Drive would work; I think that Apple should make the changes so a regular flash drive could be used.
2. The mouse / Pencil issue; Using the Pencil as a mouse substitute could work with a common laptop setup used in offices.
Put the iPad flat on a desk connected to an external monitor with a detached Bluetooth keyboard. Adjust the tech for comfort. 
Then the viewer is looking at the monitor while using the Pencil on the iPad for UI control.
- The effectiveness of the Pencil to replace finger touch (cursor control) could be improved by Apple as needed. After all the Newton had a stylus interface. 
3. Headphones; Apple should add a second USB-C connector to the IPad Pro. A wired headphone connection should not require a dongle on a pro device. Then the free USB-C port can quickly be used for charging/external monitor, etc.   
** Additions; multi floating window UI. Easier to use file system (like the Mac).

josu said:

ireland said:

I think Apple need to go bigger picture and sell iPad Air 2 at 32 GB for $399, iPad Pro (this one) at 64 GB for $499, 128 GB for $629, 256 GB for $749. iPad mini 4 at minus-$100 for same store sizes.

If they simply must have a budget iPad make it iPad mini 4 16 GB at $299.

And kill every other iPad.

Yes it brings down profit per unit but it makes the product lineup so much better. So much more future-proofed and shows their customers some respect. If Apple are about making the best products in the world and not simply a greedy money making machine as so many companies are then they are going to have to prove it. Their arrogant hunger for profit to the detriment of everything else is why iPhone and iPad sales are slowing. 16 GB flagship iPhones should have been EOL 3 years ago. iPhone should start at 64 GB (complaints I here the whole time from people I know are battery life and storage max) with a $129 premium for the 128 GB model. And perhaps a 256 GB model also.

Why? because you want it that way, sorry but any CEO that can sell its product for say $599, and still sell all the scheduled production, but choose to sell it for $200 less must be fired immediately, because he's unqualified to run a company. All companies must maximize its profits, thats their primary target. The companies that sell for less is simply because they can't do it for more. We can argue if Apple could not be capable of selling more iPads if they lowered the price, but if the profit margin is lower than the added sales figures, they are losing money, the same way if they rise the price and the sales figures resent less than the resulting added price per unit adds to the bottom line. They are optimizing their resources and their product line. Even if we felt screwed in the process. 

What I think is that as what we expect is a 9,7" iPad we assume it is an iPad Air 2 replacement, when what they are making is a smaller screen iPad Pro. We naturally accept that a 13" screen MacBook Air is not a 13" MacBook Pro, they weren't the same thing even when they both got no-retina displays. So its the same this time. Sad, because I wanted to upgrade, but on the other hand I bet that this 9,7" iPad Pro will be heavier than the Air. And what I want is the lightest 9,7" I can buy. I would have to wait a year to the A9x migrate to the Air, so is well tome, even if it means that I would have to be a whole year without an iPad.

iPad sales are dropping. Getting a few more dollars by increasing the price of the new 9.7 inch iPad will continue to shrink sales and will not make up for lost profits. From a Fast Company article dated 1/26/16; "Sales of iPads declined 25% during the last quarter, which included the holiday shopping season,... iPad sales, in fact, declined roughly 20% in each of the first three quarters of 2015." * Second, the 9.7 inch iPad Pro is the iPad Air 2 replacement. I can't see Apple ever releasing an iPad Air 3.