fathergll

SpamSandwich said:

The downside of the "equally matched" PC is you're stuck with Windows.

True but then you would have Cuda and NVIDIA. High End companies that created software for multiple platforms like Adobe, Autodesk, Blackmagic, AVID, The Foundry will all work better on NVIDIA and CUDA. Apple isn't producing as much high end software as before Aperture, Shake, Logic Pro and Final Cut lost a lot of it's market share. In otherwords how much software actually works better on OSX in 2017? Even if OSX is a bug free OS(Which it's not) the software may still not perform as good as on Windows.

The real issue is Apple is a 750 billion dollar tech company who makes most of their money from cell phones and their resources are focused on that segment compared to years ago.

StrangeDays said:

fathergll said:

williamlondon said:

fathergll said:

*Note* let me state I'm not saying the iMac Pro is a bad computer or even overpriced. I'm just stating some glaring holes with the platform in general.

You mean a single product doesn't meet the requirements of every single use case out there? Shocking!

No I mean a single product that's generally aimed at users in some kind of visual/graphics arts. Here's a simple litmus test. Go poll a bunch of Mac Pro and iMac owners on which video card marker they wish Apple had in their computers. It's gonna be Nvidia. Why is that? Geez maybe because Adobe, Autodesk, Blackmagic, AVID, The Foundry will all work better on Nvidia. You know, the software that someone in the market for a Mac Pro or iMac Pro would want to install? Shocking!

Nonsense to claim most pros are graphic artists. Developers are a huge market for Apple -- Craig even said if installs are a metric of who's who, developers with Xcode installed are their top pro customer base. As a developer I never think about which brand GPU I've go

• Visual/graphics arts users have been jumping ship from Apple for years now. Most of this started way back when Final Cut Pro wasn't being updated and Apple's focus switched to a cell phone tech giant.(Some developers from their pro apps divisions being shifted to iPhone app development and various pro applications being terminated or stalled for update) 

• So as a developer if you don't care which GPU you have what does that have to do with people who actually do care?

macxpress said:

They also think this iMac is going to melt down once you get that 18-core Xeon with the high end AMD Vega card going at full steam for any length of time like Apple isn't testing for such a thing. Apple is not going to purposely release something like this knowing its going to overheat and not be very efficient. Its quite obvious they built a specialized cooling system for this iMac Pro. 
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Don't be so sure until people get them into their homes and use them for real. It's naive to assume companies are releasing products for reliability, they are releasing them for profits which means pushing the boundaries of engineering.

 Lets wind the clocks back to Fall 2014. Apple makes a major move and completely surprises everyone with a 5k Retina iMac.Immediate concerns from some was going to be thermal issues with an all-in-one trying to push that resolution. The exact same thing was utter from multiple people back in 2014 "Apple is not going to purposely release something like this knowing its going to overheat". Guess what they did have major thermal issues reaching temps over 200F. Fans would runs extremely loud, throttling would take place killing performance, and down the road users reported issues the the monitor because of the extreme heat. I bought a 5k iMac at the time with the cooler running 2GB video card because of all the heat issues that were reported.

Thats not to say this iMac Pro will have these issues but don't assume they won't because Apple is aware of the challenges of thermal cooling in an all-in-one. It's a new product and as such they may end up having major recalls at some point. No one on earth actually knows how these things will fare long term. It seems that Apple has taken the right step with the thermal design but I want to see some real world numbers before declaring a product that isn't even close to being shipped a homerun.

williamlondon said:

fathergll said:

*Note* let me state I'm not saying the iMac Pro is a bad computer or even overpriced. I'm just stating some glaring holes with the platform in general.

You mean a single product doesn't meet the requirements of every single use case out there? Shocking!

No I mean a single product that's generally aimed at users in some kind of visual/graphics arts. Here's a simple litmus test. Go poll a bunch of Mac Pro and iMac owners on which video card marker they wish Apple had in their computers. It's gonna be Nvidia. Why is that? Geez maybe because Adobe, Autodesk, Blackmagic, AVID, The Foundry will all work better on Nvidia. You know, the software that someone in the market for a Mac Pro or iMac Pro would want to install? Shocking!