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Edward Snowden calls Apple CSAM plans 'disaster-in-the-making'
He’s literally there because he exposed the US government committed criminal constitutional violations against the American public. In fact, he’s there because our government has been proven capable of doing the exact type of illegal surveillance that people concerned about this new Apple program are talking about. You go ahead and keep cheering on totalitarianism wrapped in “save the children” and “stop terrorism” though.pmh said:
I don't take advice from from the chicken little residing in Hotel Putin.bluefire1 said:Champion of privacy no more.
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Edward Snowden calls Apple CSAM plans 'disaster-in-the-making'
chasm said:“If you’re still willfully arguing against it, you appear to be pro-CSAM.”Congratulations on using the most transparent and despicable tactic in the book to self-righteously condemn anybody who disagrees with you. Were you one of the cohort who argued that those who opposed the Patriot Act must be “pro-terrorist” and anti-American as well?You are the “slow” one in the back making straw-man arguments. The people defending this are deliberately missing the point. The controversy is that this is scanning done CLIENT SIDE, on the local machine. That’s a radical new precedent that implies that we do not own our phones or computers. If it were a physical scenario this would be called illegal search and seizure. Most reasonable people expect scanning is done on servers hosting content. The servers are theirs to do with as they please and you agree to the terms in order to store your content there. This whole controversy probably doesn’t exist without the scanning taking place on the local machine instead of on the server. Are you actually so thick that it makes sense to you that this is for security purposes?Think about it- Apple is claiming the average user’s device is more secure than their own servers by making that claim. If somebody agrees to use the server and they are willing to send the data there and trust Apple’s servers, why would there be any issue doing the scan SERVER SIDE? The reason people are crying foul is because of this insistence on having the scanning done on the local machine and a justification for it that doesn’t add up to anybody familiar with cyber-security.There is a reason that cyber-security and privacy groups internationally are almost universally condemning this. I suppose you know more than they do though, right?
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Edward Snowden calls Apple CSAM plans 'disaster-in-the-making'
I agree with Snowden. It sounds nuts, but the only thing that seems to explain Apple’s sudden commitment to an ineffective, unpopular, and brand destroying policy would be that they’ve been compromised by the government. They are probably being threatened with regulation so they struck some corrupt deal to avoid it. Look at how both of the latest administrations have been threatening big tech with regulation or anti-trust on an almost constant basis. These ideas have been getting popular on both sides of the political aisle as well. I think because of the bi-partisan popularity of these ideas the government now has a very powerful threat it has probably been using to compromise all of the big tech companies in exactly the way they’ve wanted to do for years. I think Apple was the last domino… welcome to the panopticon.
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Edward Snowden calls Apple CSAM plans 'disaster-in-the-making'
I think you are deliberately missing the point. You just said this was implemented server side over a year ago. Fine. Then explain to me the need to implement it ON DEVICE. That’s the part that is creating the controversy and people like you are straw-manning everybody else by pretending that people don’t understand that hosting services scan content and have every right to do so.StrangeDays said:
Or Dropbox or Twitter or Tumblr or any big service hosting content? Yeah they all do CSAM hash scans for kiddie porn, my guy. And guess what -- Apple has too! This was first implemented server-side over a year ago, perhaps in 2019:Beats said:netrox said:You guys, I just have to remind you that MS, Google, Facebook, and Twitter have been "scanning" your videos and images for CSAM for years. Apple was actually "late" to this feature. Now you're upset about Apple? LOL
Clearly, none of you people have a clue on how it works.
Snowden is a traitor and betrayed our Americans for exposing our privacy for the internet to see and you're worried about Apple who is making sure no child porn is shared across the Internet while preserving privacy?
We don’t want Apple to turn into Facebook or Google.
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2020/01/09/apples-scanning-icloud-photos-for-child-abuse-images/ ;Apple must not believe it’s a security or privacy risk to scan server side because they are already doing it. Yet, they are saying that on device scanning is because of privacy concerns. I’ve yet to hear anybody explain this in a way that makes any sense. This is why people are upset and concerned that this will lead to our devices being scanned regardless of if we are uploading something to a server that doesn’t belong to us. Stop dancing around the real issue. -
Edward Snowden calls Apple CSAM plans 'disaster-in-the-making'
What exactly do you propose the consequences for his “acts” should be? Our own courts found that the program he exposed was ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL… i.e, Snowden was right. This is a matter of public record and he still receives no pardon. Nobody paid for Snowden’s acts. To date? The government has refused to show any evidence that even a single American died because of what Snowden revealed. They just expect us to trust them and, despite being proven liars, sheep like you will. This is all public record at this point. Stop talking about things you clearly have no intention of informing yourself about before spouting off.pmh said:KJH86 said:
He’s literally there because he exposed the US government committed criminal constitutional violations against the American public. In fact, he’s there because our government has been proven capable of doing the exact type of illegal surveillance that people concerned about this new Apple program are talking about. You go ahead and keep cheering on totalitarianism wrapped in “save the children” and “stop terrorism” though.pmh said:
I don't take advice from from the chicken little residing in Hotel Putin.bluefire1 said:Champion of privacy no more.
He's literally there because he doesn't want to face the consequences of his acts and is willing to to serve as a stooge for Putin. You go ahead and bow down before him and Putin though, having others pay for the consequences of their actions is their signature move. Navalny gets all my respect for the courage of his moral stance, run away and hide chicken little gets none.
