makeintosh

Makes sense to me. Apple and ALL social media platforms are on opposite ends when it comes to personal privacy. Let those who need to tell the world what they are having for lunch do so through apps. Good for Apple. Would love it if this stands to the release version.

De-bloating it includes:  ability to "unhide" an app!!!

iTunes no longer handles Apps so you can unhide them.  The new App Store in iOS 11 doesn't have a way to unhide apps.  If you want to recall an app, you're screwed if you have iTunes 12.7 on your mac and iOS 11 on your iPhone and iPad.  Think maybe someone made a little Boo-Boo...

A suggestion for now:  keep a version of the old iTunes around if you need to manage apps.

bloggerblog said:

People I know are finding little reason to upgrade from their 6 or 7 to the iPhone 8, no matter how much better the camera, speed, and the new taptic feedback are.
I personally don't find the iPhone X to be super expensive, and I think it's a stronger upgrade argument than the 8

Agreed.  I have a 7+ and really really really wanted the X to be something better.  But after looking at the specs and functionality of 8 and X, there's no compelling reason to upgrade.  I do find the cost of the X rather high for what you get.  For the first time in years, I feel zero upgrade lust.

Stop defending deception and fraud.

NO phone battery is should be degraded enough after only one year to slow down the phone.  Apple (Phil Shiller usually) touts performance at EVERY introduction...its 40% faster...80% quicker...etc...etc...etc.  They don't tell you "oh it's only for 1 year, then we slow the damn thing down because it can't perform longer than that".  If iOS and iPhones can't last longer than one year, there's something wrong with Apple's designs.  Actually, perhaps it's the "design" obsession that is the culprit.  Thin thin thin thin. Doesn't matter if it doesn't work, just make it thin.  Don't make the battery itself useful.  And let's slow it down after a year and call it "normal".

I'd like a $1,000 phone to last at least 3-years.  If Apple's can't do that then I be replacing my iPhone 7+ with something else.

Get a grip guys.  It's not a failure!!!

It's Apple's new curved screen design and the phone's fanless ventilation feature.  Apple's open and transparent design again being misrepresented by the media.

Maybe I've been lucky but have had zero issues with battery life on my iP7+, running iOS11.  It's the same as on iOS10, maybe even a bit better.  Just hope 11.0.1 fixes other bugs from the beta versions that weren't fixed in the 11.0 GM. 

Soli said:

makeintosh said:

Soli said:

makeintosh said:

This is Bull Crap fanboy Kool Aid thinking.  Stop defending deception and fraud.

NO phone battery is should be degraded enough after only one year to slow down the phone.  Apple (Phil Shiller usually) touts performance at EVERY introduction...its 40% faster...80% quicker...etc...etc...etc.  They don't tell you "oh it's only for 1 year, then we slow the damn thing down because it can't perform longer than that".  If iOS and iPhones can't last longer than one year, there's something wrong with Apple's designs.  Actually, perhaps it's the "design" obsession that is the culprit.  Thin thin thin thin. Doesn't matter if it doesn't work, just make it thin.  Don't make the battery itself useful.  And let's slow it down after a year and call it "normal".  Fanboys will defend us no matter what we tell them.  Bull Crap.

I'd like a $1,000 phone to last at least 3-years.  If Apple's can't do that then I be replacing my iPhone 7+ with something else.

1) They also list various battery life stats. Are you also saying that those values should also be the same after a year? Two years? Three years? What battery technology should they use if you think believe that battery life of a new device shouldn't be stated if the batteries degrade with use?

2) The iPhone has has many generations where they've become thicker (and heavier). The Apple Watch, their latest device category, has become thicker each year.

3) What device will you replace it with? An Android device that will simply shutdown your system and lose your data because it wasn't smart enough to deal with an aging battery?

1.  Don't give a damn about values year 1, 2, 3.  I do care that the phone performs as advertised and as I bought it for this time.  Apple needs to design phones like their earlier ones which did indeed perform for 3 years.  Their obsession with thinnnnnnness created this problem.  Adequate batteries no longer fit their "design".
2.  So make them thick enough to include a decent battery.  Jony may have sleepless nights but their phones would work.
3.  Battery capacity will be high on my checklist for a replacement for my 7.  Yes, I'd rather my phone perform to specs until it stops.  At least I would know to either replace it entirely or the battery.  And give me a break...you don't lose data when your battery runs out of power.

1) You literally mentioned years many times in your post. You even wrote "I'd like a $1,000 phone to last at least 3-years."

2) iPhones battery tech is much better than when the original iPhone came out. Not knowing this means you're woefully under qualified for this conversation.

3) The battery life is much higher than it used to be. The battery capacity is also much higher than it used to be. Again, you should know this.

• Original iPhone — 5.18 Wh
• iPhone 8 — 6.96 Wh (134%)
• iPhone 8 Plus: — 10.28 Wh (198%)
• iPhone X — 10.35 Wh (200%)

4) If you need to know the battery condition there are countless apps, not to mention Apple telling you in Settings.

5) Every time a system shutdown unexpectedly everything not saved to disk disappears, and even cached data on NAND could be erased upon startup depending on how the system treats this temporary storage. This is why a proper shutdown sequence is performed instead of simply pulling power. If you're in the middle of an update your device could be bricked. Seriously, everyone on this forum should know this basic stuff.

Oh I feel ever so enlightened by your learned comment.  I'm so grateful.

"Everyone" does know this basic stuff.  "Everyone" should also know that with each release an OS adds functionality and features that consume power.  The original iPhone did nothing anywhere near what the current ones do.  Maybe "everyone" doesn't remember that battery capacities must be increased to support added functionality.  

Yes, I don't care if a battery has 95% capacity or 80% or whatever after 1, 2 or 3 years.  It needs to have enough to power the phone - as Apple touted when they sold it to me.  Apple isn't adding enough.  Plain.  Simple. Period.  For Apple, thinness Trumps (sorry) usability.  Your example of the 8+ battery size proves the point.  Duh, it's a bigger phone!  More room for a larger battery.  But let's not put enough power in ALL our phones to make them last.  Let's just make people think they need to buy new ones every two years.  We're making a killing on selling phones.  Oh no!!  We got caught cheating.

Spare me you ignorant fanboy lectures.  Heard enough of the Kool-aid talk.

djkfisher said:

OMG, a problem with a three finger drag, OH no, the sky is falling.......Run for the hills......Dump Apple......It is so so bad...... Seriously, this is something to write about........

Please grow up.

thewhitefalcon said:

Bill's been a statist for quite some time, and he's nowhere near the 'nice guy' he's portrayed to be. 

Right...so if Bill disagrees with Apple, he's obviously a "statist" and not "nice guy he's portrayed to be". Thoughtful comment. Got any more gems.