rob53

Why would I use a Microsoft product? It's like using a Google product. Give them my info and they sell it or lose it.

clexman said:

You should just go ahead and delete this opinion piece. The phone was accessed and no encryption debate happened.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fbi-says-it-has-gained-access-trump-shooting-suspects-phone-2024-07-15/

jdw said:

Not sure why the dialog about this matters now that the news media is reporting it has been accessed (i.e., "unlocked, with contents visible")...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/15/trump-rally-shooting-suspect-phone-fbi

How that was done is not clear, but obviously, the found a way.  Could be Msuberly was correct. Using the dead man's body to unlock it might work.

Neither one mentions the brand of the phone, which is the main issue brought up in this article. The Guardian's article says an iPhone (not in this case) was hacked in Australia by Azimuth Security. It wouldn't surprise me if they simply have the Cellebrite system of a hacked version of it. I do believe the FBI has purchased the Cellebrite system, which I believe is a criminal act on the part of our government. If they did purchase this system, I would like to see the procurement paperwork because Israel is still on at least the DOE sensitive country list requiring special procurement processes. For those of you who don't know this, Israel is one of the major countries who constantly hack USA systems. Look it up. I still believe the shooter's phone was not one from Apple, especially since they already got into it. Of course, an iPhone using just a 4 digit PIN isn't that difficult to break into.

kmarei said:

msuberly said:

The FBI has in its possession the dead body of the shooter, including the severed head and his fingers.  Isn't that enough to unlock any iPhone with FaceID or TouchID enabled (or the Android equivalents)?

I thought faceid only works if your eyes are open and you are looking at the camera ?.

No idea  if that would work for a dead person 

It doesn't. Same with TouchID not working on a dead person.

"Given that the shooter is in the US, it's more than 50/50 that it's an iPhone." In other words, 50/50 means you're either right or wrong. He was a kid, republican, conservative living in Butler, PA. Butler's median income is half the average income of PA so lower income. Almost entirely white, white minimal minority races. I'd say there's a much greater chance of the kid having an android phone. Yes, that's my speculation but just because the FBI couldn't immediately open the phone doesn't mean they can't open it. Anyone who knows anything about Cellebrite knows the FBI and most major police forces already has hacking devices no matter what they say. Plus, the FBI isn't going to tell us that they actually were able to open it and found anything because that's actually illegal since it's an ongoing investigation. 

I really don't care about how many phones China has sold. All this garbage about percentages. Apple sold 45.2M phones in China. That's still a lot. Apple continues to sell millions of phones of every year. I'd rather see total sales figures than percentages of phones, especially when you include garbage phones that are only(?) sold in China.