chadbag

About

Username
chadbag
Joined
Visits
252
Last Active
Roles
member
Points
1,949
Badges
2
Posts
1,315
  • Facebook considers telling users enabling tracking keeps app 'free of charge'

    FoodLover said:
    ankitpati said:
    FoodLover said:

    But when I am with iPhone users within the same network, all iPhone users are constantly sharing my location with Apple. Apple knows exactly who is in the same location with whom, independent of whether the others have an iPhone or not.

     https://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/new-study-raises-fresh-privacy-concerns-about-apple-and-google-mobile-phones/

     Apple not only collects data about handset activity, but also about handsets nearby. When you use WiFi, the WiFi MAC addresses of other devices on the network are sent to Apple.  When the location toggle is enabled on the handset then the precise GPS location is also included. The WiFi MAC address identifies a device on a WiFi network and so, for example, uniquely identifies your home router, cafe hotspot or office network.  That means Apple can potentially track which people you are near to, as well as when and where. That’s very concerning.

    Even Google doesn’t do this. This is scaring. But Apple fans always believe Apple is the good guy. Read the complete study. Apple and Google collect both data, but what Apple does, does nobody else.

    What Apple collects and what data they use could be two separate things. I imagine they aren't concerned about who is nearby but what routers are nearby for location purposes. I mean, you can enable rotating MAC addresses on your phone rendering the "who is nearby" as imperfect. And I believe it has been on by default since iOS 14 meaning at least 50-70% probably have it turned on.
    But then again, I can only go by what they say, I can't say what they actually do.

    Under Android it is not that easy. And normal people don't have a clue about how to do it.

    The problem is this: I have not authorised Apple to collect my data. In many countries, even the police is not allowed to ask telecom companies for a list of people being within a cell site, for instance to find out who was when where. But a company whose services I’m not using is allowed to collect data on me worldwide without my approval?

    As there is no reason for doing this, I simply have to assume that Apple would potentially misuse the data. And also share it with the respective governments worldwide.

    Even every FB user under iOS will have the choice to not being tracked by FB. But I as someone without an iPhone have no choice to opt out from being tracked by Apple. How sick is this?


    Disclaimer: I do not wish to get into the larger argument. Just pointing out a factual inaccuracy.

    Under Android 10 and later, so a fully patched Galaxy S9 or later, MAC randomisation is enabled by default.
    That randomisation you are referring to and which probably works under iOS in a similar way applies only before you get associated with a network.

    Once you are in the network, your phone will use your unique MAC address.

    In order to falsify your real MAC address under Android, you’ll have to root your device. Under iOS: I’m not sure whether you still could jailbreak your iPhone. 

    Umm.  That random MAC address is the address USED to join the network.   Your comment makes no sense about it only being before you join the network.  

    The reason Apple collects MAC addresses is for location services without GPS.   Things like routers don’t usually change location and so they detect where you are, what routers are nearby, and associate your location with those routers.  So later on someone who has no GPS turned on is near that router, Apple’s location services can provide an approximate location to the user. I would really be surprised if Google doesn’t do the same (perhaps through a third party).  
    patchythepiratewatto_cobra
  • Facebook considers telling users enabling tracking keeps app 'free of charge'

    FoodLover said:

    But when I am with iPhone users within the same network, all iPhone users are constantly sharing my location with Apple. Apple knows exactly who is in the same location with whom, independent of whether the others have an iPhone or not.

     https://www.tcd.ie/news_events/articles/new-study-raises-fresh-privacy-concerns-about-apple-and-google-mobile-phones/

     Apple not only collects data about handset activity, but also about handsets nearby. When you use WiFi, the WiFi MAC addresses of other devices on the network are sent to Apple.  When the location toggle is enabled on the handset then the precise GPS location is also included. The WiFi MAC address identifies a device on a WiFi network and so, for example, uniquely identifies your home router, cafe hotspot or office network.  That means Apple can potentially track which people you are near to, as well as when and where. That’s very concerning.

    Even Google doesn’t do this. This is scaring. But Apple fans always believe Apple is the good guy. Read the complete study. Apple and Google collect both data, but what Apple does, does nobody else.

    What Apple collects and what data they use could be two separate things. I imagine they aren't concerned about who is nearby but what routers are nearby for location purposes. I mean, you can enable rotating MAC addresses on your phone rendering the "who is nearby" as imperfect. And I believe it has been on by default since iOS 14 meaning at least 50-70% probably have it turned on.
    But then again, I can only go by what they say, I can't say what they actually do.

    Under Android it is not that easy. And normal people don't have a clue about how to do it.

    The problem is this: I have not authorised Apple to collect my data. In many countries, even the police is not allowed to ask telecom companies for a list of people being within a cell site, for instance to find out who was when where. But a company whose services I’m not using is allowed to collect data on me worldwide without my approval?

    As there is no reason for doing this, I simply have to assume that Apple would potentially misuse the data. And also share it with the respective governments worldwide.

    Even every FB user under iOS will have the choice to not being tracked by FB. But I as someone without an iPhone have no choice to opt out from being tracked by Apple. How sick is this?


    They are not tracking you.  They get a MAC address.  There is no personal info attached to that MAC address.   They are tracking MAC addresses.  Something your phone broadcasts in public.  
    baconstangDogpersonwilliamlondonMacPropatchythepiratewatto_cobra
  • Delta to give every flight attendant an iPhone 12 with AT&T 5G

    What does this mean:

    access in-cabin inventory”.     ??

    is this referring to the passengers?  (Eg are there any passengers that did not board and hence we have an empty seat?)
    mknelsonanantksundaram
  • Apple will switch to randomized serial numbers in early 2021

    jdw said:
    I've seen a lot of screencasts on YouTube where people blur out their S/N for reasons I never could understand. As if someone would see that S/N and then appear at your front door the next morning!  Sorry but that isn't happening.  Well, perhaps this change will eliminate blurred out info on screencasts once and for all.  

    As to being able to look up details of a machine by S/N, if that aspect goes away, what replaces it?  Meaning, how would one quickly determine details of their machine in a similarly easy manner via a third party like EveryMac?

    https://everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/


    The reason people blur out their SN is so that dishonest people don’t generate fake paperwork to claim ownership and then file a stolen item report and claim you stole it.  That sort of thing. 
    viclauyycbyronlFileMakerFellerStrangeDaysdysamoriapscooter63
  • Security researcher raises questions about trackers in LastPass Android app

    Not to defend tracking but

    Google Crashlytics is not really a tracker.  It helps developers get understandable crash dumps. That is all it does. 

    I think Google Analytics and Google Firebase Analytics are the same. IIRC everything got moved to the firebase label.  I could be wrong.  The app my company makes does not track any identifiable data and just tracks randomized usage info (what menus or tabs or whatever the user hits so we know what the app coverage is) as well as some performance metrics. We use the Google firebase analytics / Google Analytics stuff and Google Crashlytics. 
    muthuk_vanalingamgatorguy