avon b7

"The European Union suspects Big Tech firms are avoiding their responsibilities to the publc"

I'm guessing that is relative to gatekeeper status and all that implies. That is something that Spotify doesn't have so its dominance is less of an issue.

Nothing is being ignored as all it would take is a formal complaint of abuse of dominant position by someone. 

Has that happened? Has Apple or anyone else placed a complaint? 

On the one hand, if you sign a contract and are being paid for a job, you know what is being asked of you and audits will be part of the contract. No matter how stringent, Apple should be pursuing any company that is in breach of any agreement.

There will always be companies cutting corners and trying to scheme the system. That is the case in the EU too, even with clear guidelines in law so audits and investigations are part of the plan. 

On the other hand, if Apple wants to make a big marketing deal out of recycling, safe disposal, re-use, carbon footprints and what not, it really should be offering up independently audited figures on how well the schemes work. 

Just as design for repair should be a key goal, it goes without saying that design for EOL should be part of the same plan. Especially as we know that rare earth elements are highly desired goals in recycling. Shredding the rest is selling users short. Moreso in the EU, where the costs of elimination are included in the price of electronic and electrical goods. 

wonkothesane said:

I always wanted some 3rd party clipboard manager, that sees my bank account numbers, Passwortes, TANs, and all the other goodies. This 3rd party app stores will be so much fun, especially when you come from the relative sense of security you get in the Apple App Store!

'Relative sense of security' sounds like you're not too sold on the actual protections of the Apple App Store. 

Third party app stores aren't the issue when it comes to security. Third party app stores could be far more secure than Apple's. It all depends on how good the screening processes are and even then, no store will give you absolute protection. 

Yes, by the same token, they could also be less secure but that's when you realise that third party app stores aren't there for security. They are there for choice and competition. 

It is we, the users, that will choose the store and we will assume the risks. Just as we do with the Apple App Store. 

Sounds like a more marketing focused play to push the privacy and latency angles. Assuming the rumour is true. 

That's certainly one way to do it but isn't without its own issues. Limited scope and how many older iPhones can make decent use of it for example. 

We'll have to wait and see how they announce it because other options from multiple vendors will remain open to iOS users anyway (perhaps some will be monetised through usage or subscription options).

There will also need to be a range of models to play off. 

NLU, NLG are obviously two key areas. Image related AI will probably require an improvement too.

Hallucination is a property of AI models and won't go away in that sense. Hallucination is even desired in many scenarios. 

The problem is that there are obviously scenarios where you would prefer not to have it. I believe that can be done quite well but normally requires the model to sit within another model etc, upping resource usage. 

danox said:

avon b7 said:

danox said:

CortoMaltese said:

Perhaps it is time for Apple to offer an iPhone with real cutting-edge technology and a new design instead of having almost
the same case for 10 years.
I admit that the latest ads for Samsung made me want to change my phone.

Apples pathway is on the edge (vertical computer companies can do that) while Samsung, Google, Microsoft, Meta are designing for the nebulous cloud. I don't think it is a bonus to use a s24 to phone home to the cloud and git an answer to your prayers three and half to four hours later. 

Apple has been designing NPUs into their SOCs, to use actual AI-driven features for sometime, in addition Apple has included LiDAR in the Apple Vision which has also been in their iPhones/iPads for the last four years and it plays a big part in supplying data for so-called AI functions at the edge.

https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/google-pixel-phones/i-tested-video-boost-on-the-pixel-8-pro-heres-the-results Four hours to get a answer.......

https://www.androidpolice.com/video-boost-pixel-8-pro-review/ Phone home to the cloud.....

https://technastic.com/galaxy-ai-features-samsung/ Many of the the so-called AI features require phoning home (note the long list of user unfriendly instructions).

Note: the blasé attitude about phoning home for AI features how does that work being away from a cell tower/WiFi connection with a mobile device sending and waiting multiple hours for a response back? Apple definitely isn't on that user experience pathway incredible.

The willingness to design and release a phoning home AI solution and think that is an acceptable user experience pretty much highlights the difference between Apple and their competition and it also clearly highlights the strength of the Apple Silicon SOC'S.

Samsung isn't a vertical company? 

More vertical than Apple? 

Some things will be done in the cloud because they simply can't be done on device. 

Waiting to do things on device and deliberately avoiding the cloud makes literally no sense at all. Especially as Apple already uses the cloud for many areas. 

Services will be done wherever it makes sense to do them. 

Cloud, edge, device. 

I posted a link to a research document recently on 6G proposals where the network itself would be AI capable. 

What percentage of iDevice users do you think have no internet connection available to them? 

We shall wait and see if Apple proposes (they won't) to use a AI solution that takes 3-4 hours to work and get a answer from the cloud because cellular is costly with big files, however I would bet that such a solution would suddenly be unacceptable to the so-called tech analysts, and the geek crowd with Apple attached to that 3-4 hour phone home tape delay however tech analysts are gleefully accepting of it right now with Apple apparently out of the picture.

WiFi in most parts of the world is untrustworthy/unavailable out and about even in the USA and Europe, smartphones/tablets/smartwatches carry too much info to trust any WiFi on the road and eventually your luck will run out being connected to them. Running AI on the edge is the most secure solution but it isn't the easiest to design/engineer and deploy but that is the pathway edge that Apple is on.

Cloud processing does not mean an hours (or overnight) wait. That is a Google thing for a specific service. 

Edge processing (remember 'edge' is not exclusively on device) is simply an option. 

Deliberately limiting your options to on device processing will not improve the user experience where cloud processing is also an option. 

On-device processing is used for privacy and latency. Those are the two main reasons. It has always been that way. For everyone.

Are you suggesting that if it cannot be done on-device users will be forced to go without? 

I'd say that is totally out of the question. 

Well of course, luckily there is always the web option which can directly connect with different services from other vendors even though some may be subscription based. 

Who wouldn't accept overnight processing if the alternative was not getting a result? 

Wifi and internet services worldwide may be problematic but that isn't the case at all for almost all iPhone users because an iPhone without decent wifi/internet/cellular isn't going to be a viable option.