roundaboutnow

GeorgeBMac said:

roundaboutnow said:

Not to minimize the challenge of manufacturing at scale, whether automotive or mobile electronics, but the thought occurred to me:

1. There are a lot of small custom car shops that can build an entire, street legal car, practically from the ground up, using small scale manufacturing techniques and purchase of key drive train and suspension components.

2. To my knowledge, there are no small custom mobile phone shops that can build an entire smart phone with anywhere near the same form factor or features.

The only way to get to # 2 is by sophisticated engineering and manufacturing at scale. Key components may be available by others, but putting it all together is a big deal.

The process to get to # 1 at scale seems way more straightforward. Again, not to minimize what it takes to build a car, but if a few guys in a shop can do it, certainly any large manufacturer with billions of dollars (and the will) can do it if what we are talking about are essentially large scale "screwdriver plants." Everything, from key drive train and suspension components to many other sub-assemblies (like batteries), and even to manufacturing robots capable of automotive assembly are available from many suppliers at scale. I don't see that buying an existing car company would make this happen any faster. Partnering with an existing car company could have some advantage, but many independent automotive contract manufacturers already exist (including whole car contractors like Magna Steyr). After all, Tesla did it without a car company partner (the Fremont facility could well have been an advantage, but not the same as a partnership), so I don't see why Apple with or without Foxconn couldn't do it too.

You just described the early days of Tesla.  It is not theory or speculation.

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/02/06/how-tesla-was-founded-martin-eberhard-and-marc-tarpenning-tell-all.html

Yep, my Tesla example was put in there to show what can be done.

Thanks for the link to the video--it was quite interesting...

I knew that Lotus was involved with Tesla, but I didn't think it was as a "partner company" but more as a contract manufacturer. The video suggests Lotus was more of a partner (for a while at least).

Speaking of partner companies (and now delving back into speculation), the fact that Foxconn and Fisker are said to be producing a car after Fisker's next car, the Ocean, shows how serious Foxconn is. A Forbes article last month even suggested the Foxconn Wisconsin location as where that might take place (as have others in this thread speculated). Plus, the Ocean was developed by Magna. While so far (to my knowledge), a Fisker-Apple partnership has not been established, this now seems like a good possibility to me.

Not to minimize the challenge of manufacturing at scale, whether automotive or mobile electronics, but the thought occurred to me:

1. There are a lot of small custom car shops that can build an entire, street legal car, practically from the ground up, using small scale manufacturing techniques and purchase of key drive train and suspension components.

2. To my knowledge, there are no small custom mobile phone shops that can build an entire smart phone with anywhere near the same form factor or features.

The only way to get to # 2 is by sophisticated engineering and manufacturing at scale. Key components may be available by others, but putting it all together is a big deal.

The process to get to # 1 at scale seems way more straightforward. Again, not to minimize what it takes to build a car, but if a few guys in a shop can do it, certainly any large manufacturer with billions of dollars (and the will) can do it if what we are talking about are essentially large scale "screwdriver plants." Everything, from key drive train and suspension components to many other sub-assemblies (like batteries), and even to manufacturing robots capable of automotive assembly are available from many suppliers at scale. I don't see that buying an existing car company would make this happen any faster. Partnering with an existing car company could have some advantage, but many independent automotive contract manufacturers already exist (including whole car contractors like Magna Steyr). After all, Tesla did it without a car company partner (the Fremont facility could well have been an advantage, but not the same as a partnership), so I don't see why Apple with or without Foxconn couldn't do it too.

sirdir said:

bulk001 said:

Fred257 said:

In other words it doesn’t work yet natively.  Premature announcement makes me not trust this company in the least

You mean like Apple saying that the switch would require minimal work on the part of developers and many could get it done in, I think Cook said, a day? Even with an apparent collaboration between the two companies it appears to be a major undertaking. If you use photoshop in any serious way you are still using the released production version and not a beta version released for companies that want to at least start testing the required change in workflow. Most don’t just wake up in the morning and randomly start installing beta software for production use! You should trust companies that make this possible more, not less!

It does require minimal work if you use modern APIs and write modern code. If you of course use APIs from the original mac os and have a lot of code that was originally written for the 68k, it may look differently (only slightly exaggerating). Ever noticed that it's ALWAYS is Adboe that take forever with everything they do?

Avid is right up there with ProTools. Still no Intel Big Sur version, never mind M1. Even Catalina version says "support for some file types, plug-ins, and functionality are not yet available due to the 64-bit transition."

AppleInsider said:

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Clearly, my office was the best place to work, but it was a nice change of pace to be out and about. To my surprise, the M1 MacBook Air could edit and export video just as capably as my Mac Pro.
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In short, for most users, a $1,249 machine will outperform a $5,999 machine on a video export.
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OK, this is pretty amazing.

PS: Bummer that the Mac Pro is giving you grief.

libertyforall said:

What are the subscription fees?  How can your review missed that?!  🤔

The review says it's a Homekit only camera, so no subscription fees other than to Apple for iCloud storage 200GB (one camera) or 2TB (up to 5 cameras).