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21yr_mac_user said:freerange said:ROFLOL - good one!
One day advertisers are going to wake up and realize that most of them are pissing their money away with this company.
rogifan_old said:poksi said:Doing the "dumb" things is exaclty what Apple should do, not because of Wall Street, but because of the future sustainable growth and existance. They need to find new revenue streams based on huge and loyal customersp database. So far they've been sitting on pile of cash and moving in other departments like snails...
But honestly when aren't people freaked out about Apple? There's constant worry and concern. On the one hand you have investors, analysts, tech press constantly looking for the next iPhone or complaining about the lack of innovation (because Apple, unlike Google and others keeps its R&D secret), on the other hand you have people saying Apple is spread to thin and they need to focus more, none of this VR nonsense just give me my Skylake MacBook Pro already. Basically Apple is a victim of its own success.
poksi said:rogifan_old said:I figured this was going to happen when Google shot up after Facebook announced earnings. Wall Street loves so-called services companies right now, especially ones with little exposure to China. Not sure there's much Apple can do about that. I hope Apple management doesn't overreact and start doing dumb things (like buying Time Warner) just to try and change the Wall Street narrative on the company.
anantksundaram said:People can spin it any way they want, but this is just not good news. The market currently has absolutely no confidence in Apple's ability to generate value from future growth opportunities. And, we can criticize or chuckle at Google all we want (I often get in on it too), but they have a narrative that the market is buying in droves. As it currently does with Facebook and Microsoft as well.
Kudos to them.
Apple truly can and must do better on conveying some sense of who or what it wants to be 2, 5, 10 years out. This is not rocket science. Every major company does it in some form or the other. That's a huge part of what CEOs are paid to do. It involves much more than talking about "industrial era taxes", "dollar versus yuan", etc.
I realize a lot of people here do not own AAPL and therefore couldn't care less, but for those of us who have been very long-term shareholders of the company, this news hurts. There is simply no need for such underachievement. It's bewildering.
(And, please spare me the vacuous stuff about "Wall Street casino" and such; those are simply sound bites).
Market multiples are often broadly and on company-specific basis just a reflection of sentiment from the collective crowd. The sentiment from the market today on Apple is that nobody has any confidence in their ability to navigate this road bump and continue to grow. I don't get this hardware vs software crap..... apple has been sitting on tens of billions of cash for years, they could have diversified their revenue stream but chose not to. Why should management get a pass now for doing nothing when many people have for years said they law of large numbers and saturation would catch up to them. Guess what Tim Cook, it did, you just had your head buried in the sand.
I have no idea what Apple wants to be in 5 years nor does anyone on this board nor does the market. Their primary product growth is negative/shrinking (according to mgmt), why should the market give them a market multiple when mgmt can't articulate a vision for what they will be in 3 years let alone 5, something every other company on earth does???
lkrupp said:jdnc123 said:There has never been a company in the history of the world that has lost as much market cap as Apple in the midst of a broader bull market.
FACT. That is on Apple and Tim Cook.
A broader bull market? What are you smoking? Look, it’s okay for you iHaters to gloat, just don’t be stupid about it.