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Apple and OpenAI allegedly reach deal to bring ChatGPT functionality to iOS 18
Unless it actually effects Apple sales, then being "late" or "behind", for integrating some 3rd party solution, is immaterial. You have made many similar predictions in the past, almost all of which ultimately have had zero impact on Apple sales.avon b7 said:
Oh no. I am fully aware of what's out there and have commented on it many, many times here. Just do a search here on my posts with Ascend, Mindspore, Cann or Pangu etc.MacPro said:
This isn't about being 'behind' it's about 'how' and 'when' to have the best results and long-term benefits to Apple and the billions of Apple device users. Not about 'I got there. First, I have a website where people using computer products can play.'avon b7 said:
I suppose that is a tacit admission that you accept Apple is behind here.danox said:We shall see I anticipate Apple will temporarily use OpenAI like they used Google for Maps until they get their version online.......Note the Google geeks are still up in arms about it like many in tech are still mad about Apple dumping Intel keeping AMD and Nvidia at arms length with their SOC designs.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1cwdlak/notebookcheck_apple_m4_soc_analysis_amd_intel_and/ Geek Meltdown
If you think Apple, two years after the buzz around this subject hit the mainstream, will still have to 'temporarily' use a competitor's solution, then it doesn't look great.
Most people up to now have simply pointed to the painfully obvious fact that Apple has been behind because it had no competing solution.
It was always unwise to counterargue that it wasn't behind and pointing to the future.
Those competitors also have a future and are moving very, very fast.
We just don't know what will be announced next month and also have no idea when it will reach Apple users. I suppose we are realistically looking at year end.
The question then will be 'in what state?' Beta? Fully baked? Fully baked but limited? Will they try to monetise it? If so, to what degree.
If you have the possibility of integrating someone else's solution, it's nice to have those options while you work on your own. Some people will have problem with that.
I very much doubt Apple even considered going another year without these options, so at some point over these last two years someone probably said it's time to pivot the ship to AI. Late but better late than never.
At this point, it's clear to me that Apple got caught off guard with this.
Better to accept that, move on and look forward to having those options available at system level.
The difference over the last two years has been how quickly some solutions have reached 'userland' (directly or indirectly) with little to no effort on the user's part and how blazingly fast those solutions have evolved.
When things like Sora get a universal release it will have to come with some very tight reigns.
End users won't be interested in running weather prediction models or models for pharmaceutical research. They don't need to know about NLP, NLU, NLG even though they are touched by it every day.
But when AI solutions using these models are used daily from within universal apps like WhatsApp and use natural language etc to interact, that is where a lot of the buzz has been over the last two years.
A buzz that, with hindsight, Apple probably amplified by refusing to even utter the words when the spotlight fell on it.
Being behind is a statement of fact. No more. No less.
Strategically, Apple got caught short. What comes next is anybody's guess but this article points to 'outside' solutions. I'm saying that shouldn't be a issue for anyone but obviously some of those who have claimed Apple isn't behind will have issues with it.
If the Flintstones had access to these options, no doubt Siri would be a good fit for the times and it doesn't surprise me that its due for a huge AI overhaul (according to rumours). However, one of Apple's main Siri issues seems to be that there isn't one Siri for all devices but multiple Siris, all performing differently.
I for one welcome all of the semiconductor and hardware companies in the computer business today, that are now roughly technology equals, something that hasn't been the case for many years. This ultimately leads to more competition and more choice.
If AI is really a differentiator in products, then that should become apparent pretty early. My own opinion is that there will be a strong increase in hardware sales, and likely little shift in platform share. The big question in my mind is whether x86 can survive the onslaught of Arm.
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Apple and OpenAI allegedly reach deal to bring ChatGPT functionality to iOS 18
Pearl clutching, and handwringing, ensue...
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Apple saw a huge year-over-year iPhone sales recovery in China in April
It's fair to state that China's economy is slowing, and currently, is a bit chaotic.avon b7 said:As suggested in the article, it looks like discounting may have something to do with it.
China is now seeing a second round of steep discounting.
Reuters, last week:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-slashes-iphone-prices-china-amid-fierce-huawei-competition-2024-05-20/
U.S. economic growth is expected to exceed China's towards the end off the decade, which is very indicative of China's overaged demographics. -
If China invades Taiwan, TSMC can wreck Apple's chip production line remotely
I looked up those maritime disputes with Canada, and of course, they are administrative in nature, ie, there is no military involvement whatsoever.avon b7 said:ronn said:
This is a joke, right?All I can say is wow!
So China is a hostile power? You mean more hostile than the US? LOL.
The absolute most horrifying thing about your 'justification' is that it is probably how Biden sees things too.
Anyway. I have no need to continue with this as there is nothing more I can say. So I will rest my case.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/30/philippines-and-china-in-new-confrontation-at-scarborough-shoalThe Philippines has accused China of “dangerous maneuvers and obstruction” and reinstalling a barrier at the disputed Scarborough Shoal, which Beijing blockaded and seized from Manila in 2012.
Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) spokesman Jay Tarriela said two Philippine vessels on maritime patrol encountered four China Coast Guard (CCG) ships and six vessels from its maritime militia in the area on Monday morning.https://news.sky.com/story/why-has-the-south-china-sea-become-so-contentious-13126474
That's before you add in China's own extremely expansive claim - the nine-dash line which claims nearly the whole sea as theirs. That was rejected by an international tribunal, a decision which China rejected.https://eastasiaforum.org/2024/03/22/southeast-asia-stymied-in-south-china-sea-dispute/
Regional claimant states — fatigued by ASEAN’s inability to resolve the dispute and facing the brunt of Chinese aggression — may increasingly forge ties among themselves. But such efforts are unlikely to compel China to halt its aggressive campaign in the SCS.
Those are disputes, and historical disputes at that. They often involve neighboring parties. You left out China/India disputes and a host of other border related disputes.
There are dozens upon dozens of geographical disputes all over the world. The US has five maritime disputes with Canada. The US is involved in other disputes too. The UK, Spain, France...
Sometimes disputes (wherever they may be) degrade into conflict and war.
That has nothing to do with threatening stop a huge infrastructure project by sovereign nations on the other side of the world for which you have no connection at all just because you don't want it to happen.
Interestingly enough, those disputes run so deep that NORAD actually designates the 2nd in command to be Canadian, and of course, our border consists of a narrow clearing following the border, with, and get this, no physical barrier for most of the length.
That is as expected given that Canada is a longtime friend of the U.S., and a founding member of NATO and The Five Eyes.
Your "false equivalency" with what is happening with Taiwan is so obvious that even I am surprised that you attempted it, but you did.
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If China invades Taiwan, TSMC can wreck Apple's chip production line remotely
Oh, you mean a huge, sovereign nation, which has expanded its military rapidly, including adding nuclear weapons, meddling in the South China Sea, which it believes it has exclusive ownership? Meanwhile, the U.S. Navy, and its allies, like Australia, who's mission includes freedom of navigation exercises, is harassed by that same country in International Waters.avon b7 said:ronn said:
This is a joke, right?All I can say is wow!
So China is a hostile power? You mean more hostile than the US? LOL.
The absolute most horrifying thing about your 'justification' is that it is probably how Biden sees things too.
Anyway. I have no need to continue with this as there is nothing more I can say. So I will rest my case.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/30/philippines-and-china-in-new-confrontation-at-scarborough-shoalThe Philippines has accused China of “dangerous maneuvers and obstruction” and reinstalling a barrier at the disputed Scarborough Shoal, which Beijing blockaded and seized from Manila in 2012.
Philippine Coast Guard (PCG) spokesman Jay Tarriela said two Philippine vessels on maritime patrol encountered four China Coast Guard (CCG) ships and six vessels from its maritime militia in the area on Monday morning.https://news.sky.com/story/why-has-the-south-china-sea-become-so-contentious-13126474
That's before you add in China's own extremely expansive claim - the nine-dash line which claims nearly the whole sea as theirs. That was rejected by an international tribunal, a decision which China rejected.https://eastasiaforum.org/2024/03/22/southeast-asia-stymied-in-south-china-sea-dispute/
Regional claimant states — fatigued by ASEAN’s inability to resolve the dispute and facing the brunt of Chinese aggression — may increasingly forge ties among themselves. But such efforts are unlikely to compel China to halt its aggressive campaign in the SCS.
Those are disputes, and historical disputes at that. They often involve neighboring parties. You left out China/India disputes and a host of other border related disputes.
There are dozens upon dozens of geographical disputes all over the world. The US has five maritime disputes with Canada. The US is involved in other disputes too. The UK, Spain, France...
Sometimes disputes (wherever they may be) degrade into conflict and war.
That has nothing to do with threatening stop a huge infrastructure project by sovereign nations on the other side of the world for which you have no connection at all just because you don't want it to happen.
That same country is meddling in areas that it doesn't have historical connections, ie, The Solomon Islands, because it has ambitions in interfering with trade routes between Australia and New Zealand, and the United States. That same country, that has no historic connections with the polar regions of the world, is expanding its naval power the Arctic and Antarctic.
This is starting to look like the 1930's when Japan's expansionism in Manchuria and China begat trade sanctions from the U.S., with Japan ultimately striking U.S., British, Dutch, and French, forces in the Pacific.
What a wonderful time that was!
Yet you persist in stating that the U.S. is "unfair" to China by restricting it access to dual use technology, and counters China's mercantilism. It's ironic how much China benefitted from those same rules of order, and the U.S. freedom of navigation mission, when it was on the way up.
Now that China is on the cusp of slow growth and is in population decline, never having got wealthy before it grows old, Xi finds it personally necessary to prepare and likely attempt to invade Taiwan, and you are okay with that.
