tmay

lkrupp said:

mubaili said:

Apple must not talk itself into believing that it cannot gain more market share. It must act aggressively, speed up the cycle, and push more variety of devices, i.e., do what they have done to the iPad line up to the iPhone line up. 

Blah, blah, blah, yada, yada, yada. The Macintosh has never had more than a 10% share of the worldwide market and it has been a success for Apple all these years. Discerning customers see the value and TCO of Apple products and are very willing to pay the mythical Apple Tax. When has Apple EVER had a dominating share of ANY market? They have literally created or boosted markets out of thin air (personal computers, portable music players, smartphones, tablets, smartwatches, etc) only to see them dominated by cheap knock-offs and lookalikes. Through it all Apple has remained true to its mission statement to provide well designed, reliable, usable products that customers like to use. Again, tech blog forums like AI are filled with comments from a market segment that doesn’t value design, only cares about specs, and wants everything cheap.

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

jcs2305 said:

ksec said:

And it has very little to do with Apple.

5G Modem and SoC as well as AMD's GPU and CPU. 

TSMC is believed to have already commenced mass production for the Apple-designed "A13" chip, which will be at the heart of the 2019 iPhone refresh due this September.

I think this ^ is a bit more than a little impact.  Yes they have other customers, but they aren't making a couple of hundred A13 chips either.

Apple has the bulk of the early production 7nm+ /  euv process for the A13.

https://www.techspot.com/news/80237-tsmc-7nm-production-improves-performance-10.html

The linked article doesn't seem to even mention Apple. Or is my eyesight failing?

 
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-apple-a13-2019-iphone-processor,39315.html

This is from the article on May 10th.

"According to Bloomberg sources, TSMC began test production of the A13 in April, and volume production is expected to begin early this month. The EUV lithography is the successor to the company’s deep ultraviolet (DUV) process. It looks like TSMC is quite confident in its new process, since it’s willing to test the production of chips for a month before jumping into volume production. Furthermore, TSMC was not expected to begin mass production of 7nm EUV chips until next month."

Are you afraid that Huawei won't be first?

Hence why I stated "the bulk of the early production"

Considering that Huawei isn't expected to deliver the Kirin 985 in a product until the end of the year, it looks like Apple will have the bulk of early production, so that it can meet its September deliveries for the new iPhone.

Also, considering the number of A13's that Apple will need this production year, something on the order of 120 to 130 million A13's will be produced.

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

jcs2305 said:

ksec said:

And it has very little to do with Apple.

5G Modem and SoC as well as AMD's GPU and CPU. 

TSMC is believed to have already commenced mass production for the Apple-designed "A13" chip, which will be at the heart of the 2019 iPhone refresh due this September.

I think this ^ is a bit more than a little impact.  Yes they have other customers, but they aren't making a couple of hundred A13 chips either.

Apple has the bulk of the early production 7nm+ /  euv process for the A13.

https://www.techspot.com/news/80237-tsmc-7nm-production-improves-performance-10.html

The linked article doesn't seem to even mention Apple. Or is my eyesight failing?

 
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-apple-a13-2019-iphone-processor,39315.html

This is from the article on May 10th.

"According to Bloomberg sources, TSMC began test production of the A13 in April, and volume production is expected to begin early this month. The EUV lithography is the successor to the company’s deep ultraviolet (DUV) process. It looks like TSMC is quite confident in its new process, since it’s willing to test the production of chips for a month before jumping into volume production. Furthermore, TSMC was not expected to begin mass production of 7nm EUV chips until next month."

Are you afraid that Huawei won't be first?

Hence why I stated "the bulk of the early production"

Considering that Huawei isn't expected to deliver the Kirin 985 in a product until the end of the year, it looks like Apple will have the bulk of early production, so that it can meet its September deliveries for the new iPhone.

Also, considering the number of A13's that Apple will need this production year, something on the order of 120 to 130 million A13's will be produced.

Did you make up the 'bulk of early production' then? Nothing you have linked to says that.

Just like last year, TSMC is producing SoCs for both companies in parallel.

Delivery of a product is irrelevant here. Production capacity was contracted last year and will be met unless Huawei says otherwise at a later date. Something which has never been claimed as yet.

At present I can guarantee you that Apple doesn't have 120 million A13s in storage.

https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2019/04/tsmc-on-schedule-to-kick-start-production-of-apples-new-a13-7nm-euv-processor-dubbed-the-n7-pro-in-q2.html

The production year is for the 2019 iPhone models, hence the 120 million units that Apple will have produced through the next year. This isn't that hard to figure out, and certainly more 7nm+ processors produced for Apple than what Huawei will use for its various product lines for the next year.

No. It's really easy to figure out.

You made a claim and tried to support it with link that didn't even mention Apple. When that was pointed out you scurried off at a tangent, posted another link (which also failed to back up your claim) and promptly scurried off to a completely different point!

Now you have completely abandoned 'the bulk of early production' and are talking about shipments for next year!

What I'm having trouble figuring out is why you still haven't provided any real support for your original claim.

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

jcs2305 said:

ksec said:

And it has very little to do with Apple.

5G Modem and SoC as well as AMD's GPU and CPU. 

TSMC is believed to have already commenced mass production for the Apple-designed "A13" chip, which will be at the heart of the 2019 iPhone refresh due this September.

I think this ^ is a bit more than a little impact.  Yes they have other customers, but they aren't making a couple of hundred A13 chips either.

Apple has the bulk of the early production 7nm+ /  euv process for the A13.

https://www.techspot.com/news/80237-tsmc-7nm-production-improves-performance-10.html

The linked article doesn't seem to even mention Apple. Or is my eyesight failing?

 
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-apple-a13-2019-iphone-processor,39315.html

This is from the article on May 10th.

"According to Bloomberg sources, TSMC began test production of the A13 in April, and volume production is expected to begin early this month. The EUV lithography is the successor to the company’s deep ultraviolet (DUV) process. It looks like TSMC is quite confident in its new process, since it’s willing to test the production of chips for a month before jumping into volume production. Furthermore, TSMC was not expected to begin mass production of 7nm EUV chips until next month."

Are you afraid that Huawei won't be first?

Hence why I stated "the bulk of the early production"

Considering that Huawei isn't expected to deliver the Kirin 985 in a product until the end of the year, it looks like Apple will have the bulk of early production, so that it can meet its September deliveries for the new iPhone.

Also, considering the number of A13's that Apple will need this production year, something on the order of 120 to 130 million A13's will be produced.

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

jcs2305 said:

ksec said:

And it has very little to do with Apple.

5G Modem and SoC as well as AMD's GPU and CPU. 

TSMC is believed to have already commenced mass production for the Apple-designed "A13" chip, which will be at the heart of the 2019 iPhone refresh due this September.

I think this ^ is a bit more than a little impact.  Yes they have other customers, but they aren't making a couple of hundred A13 chips either.

Apple has the bulk of the early production 7nm+ /  euv process for the A13.

https://www.techspot.com/news/80237-tsmc-7nm-production-improves-performance-10.html

The linked article doesn't seem to even mention Apple. Or is my eyesight failing?

 
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-apple-a13-2019-iphone-processor,39315.html

This is from the article on May 10th.

"According to Bloomberg sources, TSMC began test production of the A13 in April, and volume production is expected to begin early this month. The EUV lithography is the successor to the company’s deep ultraviolet (DUV) process. It looks like TSMC is quite confident in its new process, since it’s willing to test the production of chips for a month before jumping into volume production. Furthermore, TSMC was not expected to begin mass production of 7nm EUV chips until next month."

Are you afraid that Huawei won't be first?

Hence why I stated "the bulk of the early production"

Considering that Huawei isn't expected to deliver the Kirin 985 in a product until the end of the year, it looks like Apple will have the bulk of early production, so that it can meet its September deliveries for the new iPhone.

Also, considering the number of A13's that Apple will need this production year, something on the order of 120 to 130 million A13's will be produced.

Did you make up the 'bulk of early production' then? Nothing you have linked to says that.

Just like last year, TSMC is producing SoCs for both companies in parallel.

Delivery of a product is irrelevant here. Production capacity was contracted last year and will be met unless Huawei says otherwise at a later date. Something which has never been claimed as yet.

At present I can guarantee you that Apple doesn't have 120 million A13s in storage.

https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2019/04/tsmc-on-schedule-to-kick-start-production-of-apples-new-a13-7nm-euv-processor-dubbed-the-n7-pro-in-q2.html

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

jcs2305 said:

ksec said:

And it has very little to do with Apple.

5G Modem and SoC as well as AMD's GPU and CPU. 

TSMC is believed to have already commenced mass production for the Apple-designed "A13" chip, which will be at the heart of the 2019 iPhone refresh due this September.

I think this ^ is a bit more than a little impact.  Yes they have other customers, but they aren't making a couple of hundred A13 chips either.

Apple has the bulk of the early production 7nm+ /  euv process for the A13.

https://www.techspot.com/news/80237-tsmc-7nm-production-improves-performance-10.html

The linked article doesn't seem to even mention Apple. Or is my eyesight failing?

avon b7 said:

rogifan_new said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

gatorguy said:

el_capitan_morgan said:

1STnTENDERBITS said:

SoundJudgment said:

They are pushed to the side of the phone to make room for the battery in the center and right-side.

They could still center the camera module with Apple's L-shaped battery because the part of the battery that covers the center of the phone is in the bottom portion of the casing. More than that, Apple is famous for their ability to design the internals of their devices.  I have no doubt Apple could place that camera module wherever they want on that phone and make it work. 

Personally, I think Apple would keep the module in the upper left corner because of tradition.  It's always been in the upper left corner.  I hope these renders and mockups are wrong, because that off center squircle is disconcerting and just plain ugly.

I presume the wireless charging coil currently in the dead center could be an issue with centering the new cameras.

The Huawei Mate 20 includes wireless charging coils and the bump is still centered. 

The explanation I've seen posted elsewhere for being off-center is both the iPhone and Pixel phones this year are mid-design cycle phones that would require some hefty re-engineering to change the position of the cameras from where they are now. With new shells/displays slated for next year it wouldn't make sense to redesign now.

Next year I'd wager both will be changing at least the position of the square bump if not the need for one to begin with. 

Apple and Google moving the camera bump to the middle accomplishes what exactly? Plenty of phones over the last decade have had camera bumps in the center, yet Apple has never had that.

Why would you see the need to change it?

The question is 'why not?'.

If the result is ugly, change it. That's a very good reason.

Now, if, as Gatorguy has suggested, placing it in the centre was too much of an engineering re-design for a look that is about to suffer a major reworking (possibly on the 2020 upgrade), then keeping it in the upper left would make a little more sense even if the result is ugly.

It also fits well with Apple's sloth like progess when it comes to adding stand out premium features.

Tri-camera will be a full 18 months behind the competition. As will be a Night Mode feature and higher zoom factors and camera versatility. For charging, many, many years behind. And rumours point to quad cameras coming to the fore.

As for the square bump taking inspiration from Huawei, why not? We will never know. There are only so many designs anyway so it would have appeared eventually, just like a circular bump will surely appear too. This is like AirPods. There is nothing original in the design. Snipping off the wires from standard earbuds didn't break new ground and using the long stems has been a well trodden path for the majority of hands free earpieces for many years.

Square, lineal or circular bumps, aren't news. Looks are and these look awful.

Having said all that, if things had appeared on an iPhone first and competitors followed, many here would be howling at the 'blatant rip offs' and if the top left sqaure placement had been used by anyone before Apple there would have been howls over how ugly it was, too.

As things stand, the Pixel 4 actually doesn't look so 'off' because there is no logo near it to draw you to it. 

The logo is understated and well out of the way.

It's all moot though until the phones go official. Just pray there are no furry dice hanging off them!

I don’t think the camera hump in the center looks any better or worse. This notion that Huawei’s implementation is universally accepted as better looking is BS. Of course I’m not surprised you would think so as you’re a Huawei shill.

Easily solved. Show both setups to ten people you know and note their preferences. The centred option will win out. We are 'programmed' for symmetry to appeal to us.