tmay

cgWerks said:

SpamSandwich said:

Sorry, we don’t believe you or your government.

That said, the track record of our government(s) isn't exactly pretty either. I'm just not sure who to believe anymore.
And, I haven't caught Huawei in a lie yet... I catch our government (USA at least) regularly.

sflocal said:

avon b7 said:

Almost a decade of US accusations without a shred of evidence presented...

They have been caught, numerous times spanning DECADES.

I haven't been following closely enough... but where did that information come from?
(Need I mention 'weapons of mass destruction' or 'babies being thrown out of incubators' or 'chemical weapons on his own people' ...)

avon b7 said:

Almost a decade of US accusations without a shred of evidence presented. To the point that the U.S government had to admit it had none, but at the same time claiming none was even necessary.

All the while, the realities of this quote from the article have thrown a huge shadow over everything the U.S has claimed:

"the 170 countries and regions in which we currently operate would stop buying our products, and our company would collapse."

That shadow had been there for the last decade.

What would there be to gain? A $100 bn company, the pride of China, a technological leader, would die an instant death. And unnecessarily.

The Chinese government doesn't need Huawei to be able to 'spy'.

Huawei network equipment is managed by the carriers.

Most internet traffic already touches Huawei infrastructure at some point.

No other communications company on the planet is scrutinised on a security level like Huawei. To the point of having its source code inspected. No other company is as advanced as Huawei in areas like 5G.

As a result of U.S actions, Huawei is taking court action to defend itself. The U.S is now officially claiming that the action against Huawei was necessary based solely on the 'possible threat' to national security (of course, there is zero hard evidence of this).

At the same time, the U.S president has undermined the official claims of the government by implying Huawei could be included in a trade deal with China. China has insisted that there will be no negotiation until Huawei has restrictions lifted.

It is clear that Huawei is being used as a trade pawn on one level, and being attacked on another level because of U.S fears of being left behind in a new technological revolution, in which China may play a pivotal role. 'National security' is a ruse and the US case is crumbling. We have seen some very clear comments on this coming out of South Africa and just today there have been some very unfavourable comments attributed to the UK ambassador in Washington.

Now the U.S wants us to believe that Huawei has 'close' ties to the Chinese government (once again without any hard evidence) whereas at the same time it has shown how 'executive orders' can be used to negate the need for ties and force domestic companies ( and even those that are not U.S) to buckle under its demands.

Huawei has a full portfolio of cloud infrastructure built on data privacy. In the case of the EU, with strict user protections, Huawei insists no user files ever leave the EU. It is ironic that some major U.S companies have been investigated for breaching E.U privacy rules.

The U.S action not only caused an estimated $30 billion hole in Huawei revenues but set off a chain reaction that now cannot be stopped or reversed..

Ren recently made another comment (which went largely unreported) that will have sent shockwaves through the U.S tech manufacturing sector.

He said this situation will never happen again as in - two - years, Huawei will have reduced its U.S dependence to zero.

After being "side-loaded" onto the phone rather than downloaded from the Google Play Store, the malware uploads the device's text messages, calendar entries, phone logs and contacts to a server, multiple technical analysescommissioned by the reporting team found. The malware also scans the phone for over 73,000 different files. The investigation found these files include clearly extremist material such as Islamic State propaganda, but also passages from the Quran, PDFs related to the Dalai Lama, and music from a Japanese metal group called Unholy Grave. Unholy Grave has a song called "Taiwan: Another China."

Hey Ren, now might be a good time to talk to your government about that malware...which, for the record, can't be installed on any iPhone.

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

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tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

rogifan_new said:

avon b7 said:

I place the 2018 models on an 'S' cycle and therefore would hope for a major renovation of the 2019 devices.

I'm sure camera versatility will lead to more sales, though.

I find it difficult to imagine Apple going through another iterative upgrade with competitors pushing so hard for so long and with them still using 5W chargers etc.

If I had to go out on a limb I'd go for improvements to 3D sensing and associated software (including real time 3D modelling). Much improved battery tech (at every stage). Far more camera versatility. Better AI. More attractive shell finishes.

It might not be game changing, as all of that is already available on Android flagships, but it should help to sell more iPhones - if they also adjust pricing down.

I definitely expect the handsets to be more newsworthy than last year's which were largely overshadowed by the Series 4 Apple Watch.

More attractive shell finishes? Only in the mind of Huawei marketing (which I sometimes wonder if you work for) is metallic gradient finishes a more attractive design. 

And, if he does?
I say Good!   Because he has brought a lot of fact based truth to those parroting the propaganda and fear mongering of Trump and his hardliners. 

We saw the results of letting a political agenda drive facts in 2001 - 2003: "Iraq is part of the Axis of evil", "We KNOW the WMDs are there!".
Now we seem to be repeating the same process with Huawei and Iran.

I am grateful that he brought some facts and truth to the table here.

You sound like you are more than okay with China's Hong Kong extradition law, which some 1 million residents have been protesting.

You are so enraged by Donald Trump that you don't even see the illiberal forces in China that are rolling back Hong Kong's democracy.

Next up, China will be invading Taiwan. Will the U.S. and the West just stand aside and let another Democracy fall?

Useful idiot pretty much describes your viewpoint.

https://www.dpreview.com/news/9341580632/hong-kong-photojournalists-police-press-conference-riot-gear-protest-extradition-bill

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/13/world/asia/hong-kong-telegram-protests.html

http://www.jeromecohen.net/jerrys-blog/hong-kongs-extradition-law

So you are now justifying Trump's attacks on Huawei and his trade war with China on the HongKong protests?
What happened to Huawei being a security threat?   I haven't heard that claim lately.

The simple truth:
Trump and his supporters seem to latch onto any convenient excuse to justify their wars -- whichever excuse will sound credible and sell to the base.

Bush did the same to sell his war on Iraq.
Not buying the sales pitch doesn't make me the "useful idiot"

https://twitter.com/nvanderklippe

"If Huawei is looking to demonstrate the reliability of its equipment, maybe it could figure out a way to keep mobile service functional in downtown Hong Kong during protests and marches."

But of course, Huawei is tightly interconnected with China's government, provides them surveillance technology as well as telecom, so how can they possibly allow protestors to use the network?

Sucks that Huawei can't prove it isn't controlled by the Chinese Government, nor are they transparent enough to allow the West to do so.

https://twitter.com/natashakhanhk

Huawei has always made it crystal clear that the carriers control their own networks.

What you are linking to has nothing to do with Huawei.

If you have evidence to the contrary, now is the time to provide it.

You would certainly know better that I how much surveillance technology that Huawei has in Hong Kong, but even if it that is also under the Chinese Government's control, rather than Huawei's, it bring into question, again, how close an association that Huawei has with the Chinese Government. 

HiSilicon has a very wide and successful line of imaging surveillance technology. It is sold worldwide in cameras from a huge amount of vendors. Those vendors sell to governments and the Chinese government is one of the largest purchasers of that kind of equipment. it isn't the only government of course and individuals and companies worldwide (including in the US) also purchase them.

There is a possibility that any surveillance camera you see (in your garage, shopping center, street corner, metro station etc) could have a HiSilicon chipset in it. But that is where the Huawei connection ends.

Sorry if that disappoints you.

avon b7 said:

Rayz2016 said:

avon b7 said:

AppleExposed said:

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

AppleExposed said:

I've seen one of these folding iWannabes break during a demo haha! The video is out there somewhere.

avon b7 said:

The Mate X is ready to go but market conditions are not appropriate. Three months won't change much in key areas of the design but from a marketing perspective, if the market conditions change, a September launch will have far more impact than a June launch.

More months for testing is a valid justification (especially as there is no real competition at the moment) and avoids them having to mention component bans etc.

Three months could come in very handy though for testing Ark OS on the device.

The official Huawei spokesperson has spoken. Thanks for the facts bro.

avon b7 said:

magman1979 said:

avon b7 said:

The Mate X is ready to go but market conditions are not appropriate. Three months won't change much in key areas of the design but from a marketing perspective, if the market conditions change, a September launch will have far more impact than a June launch.

More months for testing is a valid justification (especially as there is no real competition at the moment) and avoids them having to mention component bans etc.

Three months could come in very handy though for testing Ark OS on the device.

Holy shit, the Wall Scum anal-yst market spin drivel is strong with this one!!!

Perhaps you are unaware of the market conditions I mentioned. There is little or nothing to gain in releasing now.

No competition.
Component supply issues.
Government regulatory issues.
Potential new OS to test.

Moving to September (conditions permitting) will pit the X (and the Mate 30 series) against the Note 10 and the iPhone 2019 refresh. That makes far more sense from a marketing perspective as neither Apple nor Samsung are likely to have folding options and Apple almost certainly won't have a 5G option (and 5G marketing will be a fever pitch by Christmas).

"No competition"



An SNL skit couldn't make this up....

Firstly. The CEO of Huawei's Consumer Business Unit (not a spokesman) said the Mate X could ship 'tomorrow' if need be (this was before Trump's executive order). 

Secondly. The Mate X has already been in the hands of select media outlets for early evaluation - without any of the issues that affected the Fold.

If they have decided to delay the roll out for testing, try to put that into perspective. Try to apply a minimum of common sense and reach a conclusion as to why they are delaying the launch by three months.

That's what I did. No more. No less.

Thirdly: "no competition" - please enlighten me as to where the competition is. Right now, there isn't any and that is precisely why they can re-plan but this time taking into account current realities. Realities that simply weren't there when the original launch window was set.

You might consider changing your AI moniker to Huawei PR b7. 

It's far removed from PR. I said from the start that folding phones would have to prove themselves in the market in terms of durability. The initial efforts will live or die by that factor alone although there are others. That applies to Huawei too.

The difference, with regards to some others, is that I just don't automatically assume this delay is related to the Samsung style issues and have pointed out where they might be. That's not PR, it's balance and common sense.

But but with no competition how is anyone supposed to release a foldable phone?!!?!

These foldable phones are just rushing to market because Apple patented this years ago. Reminds me of the edge display failure and the galaxy gear watch failure.

You lost me there. No one is saying they won't release a folding phone. The question is releasing at the most appropriate time for maximum effect.

The “most appropriate time for maximum effect” being when they can actually make one that doesn’t split  or crack after its been folded/unfolded four times. 

Once again, facts are entirely absent from the discourse.

The Mate X is the daily driver of the CEO of the company. Many employees are using it. It has been in the hands of tech journalists in uncontrolled environments.

These are facts. Facts presented in this very thread. 

When people claim the Mate X hasn't been in the hands of journalists for example, or has been but only in controlled settings, when there is a video right here in the thread of a journalist giving her opinion in an uncontrolled environment (not a 10 minute hands on) what does that tell you?

It tells me that providing irrefutable evidence to those claims will not change their minds because their minds are already made up or they simply haven't read the thread. To the point that they made false claims in the first place and when you prove those claims to be baseless they will simply run off to the next false point and try to make us forget about the previous one. And so on. At worst they will try to use the evidence that disproves their claims as a PR exercise! Would you bet against someone making that claim again in this thread.

What counts is that readers have the information. That they have enough information to see what is out there and what is true or false. That is with reference to facts. Readers will decide.

When it comes to speculation, readers can decide which line seems more plausible and how the line is argued and form their own opinions.

'Splitting' or 'cracking' after four folds/unfolds definitely isn't relevant to the Mate X based on what we know so let's say the implication is baseless. One more for the list. Of course if you actually have something to support it you won't waste a second in presenting it. But then again if you had that, surely you would have posted it already.

Or you are replying to the wrong thread or your comment is one of those gratuitous drive by digs perhaps with a poor element of sarcasm thrown in but like I said, people will form their own opinions.

Take a look at some of the claims in this thread and how many actually stood up to scrutiny.

"The Chinese tech giant told CNBC and The Wall Street Journal that it was doing extensive testing to make sure the device was ready for consumers, and that the company was taking a “cautious” approach following the failed launch of Samsung’s own foldable device, the Galaxy Fold. The Fold debuted in April but shipment of the phone has been indefinitely delayed after devices reviewed by multiple outlets broke in a matter of days. 

“We don’t want to launch a product to destroy our reputation,” a spokesperson for Huawei told CNBC."

But this is the rest of the story;

"Alternatively, the phone might ship with Huawei’s own mobile OS, which it’s been developing for years. A spokesperson for the firm told CNBC that it would prefer to go with Google’s software but added: “If we are forced to do it by ourselves, we are ready. We can do in the next six-to-nine months.”

Funny, but that's exactly what this AI story stated. Two sources, same report. Go figure.