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avon b7 said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

blastdoor said:

avon b7 said:

Anilu_777 said:

America needs to out-compete China, not ban it like they did with Huawei and now with TikTok. They can call it what ever they want (national security or national whatever) but if US companies had a better product then Americans would use it. Sad image for the US. 

I agree. Ban if you have good reason to ban. Show evidence and act accordingly. 

'Suspecting' this or that could happen and throwing everything under a 'national security' umbrella is doomed to failure. 

That failure itself would be OK if it only impacted the country taking the action. 

The problem is when you start demanding others follow suit (as the US does with its 'allies'). 

It won't work with places like China. Even now, Blinken is in China telling them what to do with their Russian interests - on their own soil. That is crazy.

Would US politicians accept someone from China landing in Washington and threatening action if they didn't get their way? 

Sadly, US interests (and with it, influence) are being impacted by foolhardy decisions of a few China hawks with influence. 

Non-US companies are wisely seeking to 'de-Americanise' for fear of being dumped onto some entity list, or worse, being required to stop doing business with someone simply because a small part of US technology is used in their equipment. All unilaterally. 

The best route from the get go was to out-compete/out-innovate rivals, not 'ban' them for reasons with zero supporting evidence. 

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/why-the-united-states-is-losing-the-tech-war-with-china

The Tik Tok situation is more paranoia than anything else. 

If you wrote this post in 2005 I’d have agreed with you. Now I view this post as hopelessly naive. Xi greenlit the Ukraine invasion, believing that his forever friend would win quickly, setting the stage for a Taiwan invasion. That’s not paranoia — it happened, and we have witnessed the worst horrors of war in Europe since the Nazis.

Ths CCP is a malignant force in the world. It must be contained. Being an apologist for them is a stain that you can’t wash out.

It wasn't Xi who greenlit anything for the Ukraine invasion. That much is very clear. 

It's more probable that careless US foreign policy had more to do with that (over decades) and that is the case here with Huawei, entity lists and Tiktok and of course the Taiwan and general semiconductor situation. It was naive to think Russia wouldn't take action (be it military or otherwise). 

And for, as ugly as war is, sadly the Ukraine situation isn't the collection of worst horrors since the Nazis. I'd say that goes to the Yugoslav wars. 

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3260446/eu-tell-beijing-envoys-plan-blacklist-more-chinese-businesses-supplying-russia?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=3260446&utm_medium=share_widget

EU to tell Beijing of plan to blacklist more Chinese businesses for breaching Russia sanctions

• Purpose is to enlist China’s help in ending the companies’ activities that allegedly violate sanctions on supplying products with military applications to Moscow
• Discussion will come as a series of events this week, from charges of espionage and hacking to raids on businesses seeking proof of state subsidies, pressure bilateral ties

When the EU sanctions China, I thought that you would be more supportive. Evidently not. The war in Yugoslavia was a civil war, and while 100,000, more or less, died, Ukraine was invaded by Russia, and to date, there are over 500,000 casualties, including killed and wounded, not to mention Ukrainians who have been forced to move to Russia, including children.

By far, the "collection of worst horrors since the Nazis", was likely the "Great Leap Forward";

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

The Great Leap Forward was an economic and social campaign within the People's Republic of China(PRC) from 1958 to 1962, led by the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). Party Chairman Mao Zedonglaunched the campaign to reconstruct the country from an agrarian economy into an industrialized societythrough the formation of people's communes. Mao decreed that efforts to multiply grain yields and bring industry to the countryside should be increased. Local officials were fearful of Anti-Rightist Campaigns and they competed to fulfill or over-fulfill quotas which were based on Mao's exaggerated claims, collecting non-existent "surpluses" and leaving farmers to starve to death. Higher officials did not dare to report the economic disaster which was being caused by these policies, and national officials, blaming bad weather for the decline in food output, took little or no action. Millions of people died in China during the Great Leap, with estimates ranging from 15 to 55 million, making the Great Chinese Famine the largest or second-largest[1] famine in human history.[2][3][4]

You supporting Xi's PRC is certainly on message for you, and the fact that the U.S. sanctions the PRC for supporting Russia is the minimum to be expected. Blaming the U.S. for Russia invading Ukraine is certainly on message for you as well, though it certainly isn't supported by the facts.

I'm not supporting anyone. 

EU sanctions on China aren't relevant to my point, or Russian actions. That problem goes much further back than Putin's nutcase invasion of 2022 and you will have real trouble finding any serious commentary that doesn't reference US foreign policy/NATO actions as trigger points over the years. Notably, but not limited to, events in 2008.

And Biden's public comments on 'putting an end' to Nord Stream were another foreign policy failing. 

It's worth remembering that sanctions on Russia aren't working with the desired effect. That is not only because of China. How many other countries aren't participating? Most of the world? 

My point on recent war horrors in Europe should be crystal clear.

Anyway, the whole TikTok thing is just another kind of ill thought out move reeking of paranoia, and of fear of China rising and overtaking the US in a multi polar world.

5/25

 CREDIT

April 3, 2008: Russia Fights Ukrainian NATO Membership

In early April of 2008, a NATO summit began with intense debate about extending a Membership Action Plan (MAP) to Ukraine. In order to gain membership to NATO, a military alliance between 28 European countries and two North American countries dedicated to preserving peace and security in the North Atlantic area, countries must first have a MAP. Russian President Vladimir Putin makes his opposition to Ukrainian membership known to NATO leaders, at one point allegedly telling President George W. Bush that Ukraine is “not even a real nation-state.” NATO does not offer Ukraine a MAP

The Ukrainian Air Force is using iPads, or similar tablets in the cockpits of its Soviet-era jets to enable rapid integration of modern Western air-to-ground weapons — something that TWZ predicted back in 2022. This has been confirmed by Undersecretary of Defense for Acquisition and Sustainment Dr. William LaPlante. While many questions remain about the tablet and how it exactly works, there’s now footage showing it fitted in cockpits during combat (or at least live-fire training) missions.

jdgaz said:

Interesting that a year is allowed for a sale to happen. Let’s see, that puts it after the election. Biden needs those Tik Tock voters. Then if reelected he will pull the plug on his voters. 

avon b7 said:

blastdoor said:

avon b7 said:

Anilu_777 said:

America needs to out-compete China, not ban it like they did with Huawei and now with TikTok. They can call it what ever they want (national security or national whatever) but if US companies had a better product then Americans would use it. Sad image for the US. 

I agree. Ban if you have good reason to ban. Show evidence and act accordingly. 

'Suspecting' this or that could happen and throwing everything under a 'national security' umbrella is doomed to failure. 

That failure itself would be OK if it only impacted the country taking the action. 

The problem is when you start demanding others follow suit (as the US does with its 'allies'). 

It won't work with places like China. Even now, Blinken is in China telling them what to do with their Russian interests - on their own soil. That is crazy.

Would US politicians accept someone from China landing in Washington and threatening action if they didn't get their way? 

Sadly, US interests (and with it, influence) are being impacted by foolhardy decisions of a few China hawks with influence. 

Non-US companies are wisely seeking to 'de-Americanise' for fear of being dumped onto some entity list, or worse, being required to stop doing business with someone simply because a small part of US technology is used in their equipment. All unilaterally. 

The best route from the get go was to out-compete/out-innovate rivals, not 'ban' them for reasons with zero supporting evidence. 

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/why-the-united-states-is-losing-the-tech-war-with-china

The Tik Tok situation is more paranoia than anything else. 

If you wrote this post in 2005 I’d have agreed with you. Now I view this post as hopelessly naive. Xi greenlit the Ukraine invasion, believing that his forever friend would win quickly, setting the stage for a Taiwan invasion. That’s not paranoia — it happened, and we have witnessed the worst horrors of war in Europe since the Nazis.

Ths CCP is a malignant force in the world. It must be contained. Being an apologist for them is a stain that you can’t wash out.

It wasn't Xi who greenlit anything for the Ukraine invasion. That much is very clear. 

It's more probable that careless US foreign policy had more to do with that (over decades) and that is the case here with Huawei, entity lists and Tiktok and of course the Taiwan and general semiconductor situation. It was naive to think Russia wouldn't take action (be it military or otherwise). 

And for, as ugly as war is, sadly the Ukraine situation isn't the collection of worst horrors since the Nazis. I'd say that goes to the Yugoslav wars. 

EU to tell Beijing of plan to blacklist more Chinese businesses for breaching Russia sanctions

• Purpose is to enlist China’s help in ending the companies’ activities that allegedly violate sanctions on supplying products with military applications to Moscow
• Discussion will come as a series of events this week, from charges of espionage and hacking to raids on businesses seeking proof of state subsidies, pressure bilateral ties

avon b7 said:

ssfe11 said:

Even the EU must be like…”stop the whining already”. Every parent eventually gets sick and tired of their one constantly complaining child and eventually says “leave me alone”. Then the child goes away. 

I doubt the EU sees things that way. 

It is likely the EU even agrees with Spotify's stance. 

It has nothing to do with what Spotify pays or doesn't pay.