tmay

danox said:

tmay said:

mac_dog said:

They want access to everyone’s phones. This is about the fact that this government is having such a difficult time controlling their narrative and they want more access to be able to control it. Yes, I’m talking about the genocide in Gaza. It’s making clear to everyone the myth that the US as global peacekeeper is just that when the reality is that we are still colonizing the world and we’re the global bullies. 

Israel may have committed war crimes, but not genocide.

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/4442213-israels-may-have-committed-war-crimes-in-gaza-but-not-genocide/

You are likely unaware of how much the U.S. Military, and our allies, facilitate global trade via maintaining freedom navigation; see Yemen current events as an example.

You are probably unaware that France failed at creating a canal thru the Isthmus of Panama, likely due to Malaria, that the U.S. was able to complete later. That was more inline with our take on the Monroe Doctrine. The U.S. maintained its presence, including military, in the Canal Zone up until the very end of 1999, where it became Panamanian again. I would agree that the U.S. peacekeeping has been a mixed bag, as peacekeeping often is.

France completed the Suez Canal in 1869. It, and the Panama Canal, are the two premier shortcuts for shipping in the world. Neither France nor the U.S. are "colonizing the world", and they haven't for very many decades.

You know who is still colonizing the world? That would be Russia and the PRC, and interestingly enough, there are plenty of people as yourself that are fine with that, just as they were fine with Assad murdering Syrians.

Put your efforts into actually stopping colonization by those two parties, and I will no longer consider you a "tankie", or a "useful idiot".

 

Not true currently indigenous people around the world are currently getting the boot as usual the Mapuche in Chile or the islanders on the Indonesia western side of New Guinea, West China, or the Nordic Far North, do America Indians still exist in the eastern US I notice that when they raise their hands in mild protest like union organizers they seem to get crushed? Colonization is still on going worldwide it's just more quiet it is more than a Two Body Problem in fact it's a collective Human problem.

And the surviving (people) leftovers will be gaslighted out of existence do the Netanyahu.

 The United States assumed territorial control over the southern portion of Guantánamo Bay under the 1903 Lease. The United States exercises jurisdiction and control over this territory as the home of the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, while recognizing that Cuba retains ultimate sovereignty.

mac_dog said:

They want access to everyone’s phones. This is about the fact that this government is having such a difficult time controlling their narrative and they want more access to be able to control it. Yes, I’m talking about the genocide in Gaza. It’s making clear to everyone the myth that the US as global peacekeeper is just that when the reality is that we are still colonizing the world and we’re the global bullies. 

avon b7 said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

Tommy-2514 said:

First, Isn't there a precedent? Compare the security of Google's Play Store to Apple's.
Let's see the numbers. No of malware, spams, etc. 

Second, what the EU wants is to provide the option for everyone and his dog to upload an app to anyone's phone.
How the heck does this not raise security concerns? 

The DMA/DSA is not a security directive per se. 

Apple used whatever spin it could to try and protect its favourable situation. That is understandable but was never going to win flavour within the EU because it wasn't dealing with the problem the EU was tackling.

The infamous 'core technology fee' was questionable from the get go. The chances of it passing the sniff test were slim but Apple tried anyway. Very probably rubbing people up the wrong way in the process. 

However, we have to wait and see how the EU responds officially. 

You say the EU wants to provide options and that's correct. 

An option is not an obligation on users in this case. If you have reservations about third party app stores or direct downloads, alternative browsers, different Wallets etc don't use them. 

I'm sure Apple won't allow you to install something 'accidentally'. 

FWIW, I would actually ask around and ask people what their experience in this area is like on Android because if it were only half as bad as people here say, those users would be clamoring to get over Apple’s garden wall. 

That isn't happening, is it? 

The reality is that there are possibly users wanting to get out but are effectively locked in. After all, those two words have been emailed around at Apple. 

My last iPhone was an iPhone 4.

Android flavours ever since and using multiple app stores and direct downloads. 

Not a single problem. 

The DMA/DSA is not a security directive per se.

No shit. The EU has been retrograde in its actions on security, and national security is not even a high priority for the EU.

It's obvious that security wasn't the directive, nor was the consumer benefit, though I expect that a small percentage will be enthused; it is driven by creating more lucrative opportunities for developers, a profit shift from Apple, and other Big Tech's, to developers.

An option is not an obligation on users in this case. If you have reservations about third party app stores or direct downloads, alternative browsers, different Wallets etc don't use them. 

So, why wouldn't there be the option of a single toggle, that allowed the user to "keep my iPhone as it is?". 

FWIW, I would actually ask around and ask people what their experience in this area is like on Android because if it were only half as bad as people here say, those users would be clamoring to get over Apple’s garden wall. 

Seems a little late for that, don't you think, and you might not find that it supports your POV. Meanwhile, iPhone continues to increase its user base, now about 1.46 billion.

The reality is that there are possibly users wanting to get out but are effectively locked in.

That's really just complete bullshit, isn't it. There are countless opportunities for smartphone users to "switch sides", and I doubt that will be as difficult or intrusive, as the DMA.

Not a single problem.

That's hyperbole, at the least, and a complete lie at the most.

https://unisonbank.com/why-you-shouldnt-download-from-third-party-app-stores/

In other words, all apps have gone through a security check to ensure the safety of users’ data and devices. On the other hand, third-party sites rarely implement security checks. Third-party app stores not only provide developers with more freedom but also faster speed to market. The approval processes are less strict than the manufacturers, which means approvals are processed much faster. This leaves users’ devices exposed to countless threats. The problem is, some of these apps are exceptionally vulnerable to malware infiltration. For example, in 2016 1.3 million smartphones were attacked by malware. The malware was named “Gooligan,” and according to researchers, it was found in 86 apps. Of course, all of these apps came from third-party sources. Based on the data released by the Android security team this year, you’re about 10 times more likely to have a potentially harmful application on your device if you are using third-party sources.

Why do you lie?

There you go again! And you talk of hyperbole! 

Yes, I know that stating the DSA/DMA are not security focused is stating the obvious, but it becomes necessary when Apple itself is deliberately throwing the security and privacy claims around regarding a directive that isn't even targeting those aspects.

The toggle idea is crazy. Sounds like a Bush speech: 'or you're with us or your against us'. Users should have choice and that choice should not be a single toggle. 

It's never 'too late' to ask around and probably quite pertinent to do so. 

Apple has used the term lock in internally. It took court action for those mails to float to the surface but it just made official what many people already knew. Now, some people prefer 'stickiness' LOL. 

A lie? 

I will repeat. Not a single problem. And as I said. If it were such a problem, people would be clamoring to get over the garden wall. 

The liklihood of having problems isn't relevant here. That isn't what the DSA/DMA is tackling. 

That doesn't mean the EU isn't aware of the potential problems. 

Tommy-2514 said:

First, Isn't there a precedent? Compare the security of Google's Play Store to Apple's.
Let's see the numbers. No of malware, spams, etc. 

Second, what the EU wants is to provide the option for everyone and his dog to upload an app to anyone's phone.
How the heck does this not raise security concerns? 

The DMA/DSA is not a security directive per se. 

Apple used whatever spin it could to try and protect its favourable situation. That is understandable but was never going to win flavour within the EU because it wasn't dealing with the problem the EU was tackling.

The infamous 'core technology fee' was questionable from the get go. The chances of it passing the sniff test were slim but Apple tried anyway. Very probably rubbing people up the wrong way in the process. 

However, we have to wait and see how the EU responds officially. 

You say the EU wants to provide options and that's correct. 

An option is not an obligation on users in this case. If you have reservations about third party app stores or direct downloads, alternative browsers, different Wallets etc don't use them. 

I'm sure Apple won't allow you to install something 'accidentally'. 

FWIW, I would actually ask around and ask people what their experience in this area is like on Android because if it were only half as bad as people here say, those users would be clamoring to get over Apple’s garden wall. 

That isn't happening, is it? 

The reality is that there are possibly users wanting to get out but are effectively locked in. After all, those two words have been emailed around at Apple. 

My last iPhone was an iPhone 4.

Android flavours ever since and using multiple app stores and direct downloads. 

Not a single problem. 

The DMA/DSA is not a security directive per se.

An option is not an obligation on users in this case. If you have reservations about third party app stores or direct downloads, alternative browsers, different Wallets etc don't use them. 

FWIW, I would actually ask around and ask people what their experience in this area is like on Android because if it were only half as bad as people here say, those users would be clamoring to get over Apple’s garden wall. 

The reality is that there are possibly users wanting to get out but are effectively locked in.

That's really just complete bullshit, isn't it. There are countless opportunities for smartphone users to "switch sides", and I doubt that will be as difficult or intrusive, as the DMA.

Not a single problem.

That's hyperbole, at the least, and a complete lie at the most.

https://unisonbank.com/why-you-shouldnt-download-from-third-party-app-stores/

In other words, all apps have gone through a security check to ensure the safety of users’ data and devices. On the other hand, third-party sites rarely implement security checks. Third-party app stores not only provide developers with more freedom but also faster speed to market. The approval processes are less strict than the manufacturers, which means approvals are processed much faster. This leaves users’ devices exposed to countless threats. The problem is, some of these apps are exceptionally vulnerable to malware infiltration. For example, in 2016 1.3 million smartphones were attacked by malware. The malware was named “Gooligan,” and according to researchers, it was found in 86 apps. Of course, all of these apps came from third-party sources. Based on the data released by the Android security team this year, you’re about 10 times more likely to have a potentially harmful application on your device if you are using third-party sources.

Why do you lie?