tmay

avon b7 said:

This is a tit-for-tat move to disrupt certain processes. It has been called the first of many. 

They know these products can be sourced elsewhere but it will take time and money.

It's all part of reducing strategic dependencies but that should not be achieved the way some are currently going about it. 

The ban doesn't come into effect for a few weeks and some industries maintain a limited stockpile of strategic elements. Others, less so, but the aim is disruption. 

9secondkox2 said:

It’s ridiculous how similar they are. From the general look of the device to the way metas workrooms look, etc. 

And also the fact that meta integrates the battery but apple makes you wear it - with a long cord attaching your head to your waist. 

In some ways, the meta headset is designed better. 

And that’s sad. 

Apple used to be the company of a thousand “no’s” yo get that just right “yes.” This just seems like everybody else. 

avon b7 said:

fishwhisperer said:

This feels the same way as when the iPhone was launched: all the other state of the art devices at the time felt instantly obsolete and clumsy. I have used the Quest a couple of times and was not impressed. I haven't used the Vision Pro of course, but just from the keynote and the reviews, it feels like you don't want to be one of the other guys. I can only imagine how they are rushing to catch up.

In this case, at least in the regular CE space, there are no other state of the art devices . 

That's why they cost so much less than the Vision Pro. It is deliberate.

Also, you can't have any idea of how close the other guys are to releasing new products. 

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waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

Yes, Huawei has been using the 'Vision' branding for a while now and specifically in AR glasses and smart screens too, so the Apple name does overlap slightly.

I'm currently interested in a Vision 3 to replace a Samsung TV if it gets a release in Spain. The previous model was available here. 

We are talking about well known, commercial products (and not all of them are limited to China) so it is hard to believe Apple wasn't well aware of the situation. 

It's possible that the issue has already been taken into account. 

There are only a limited set of English words to describe a specific thing. To grant patent of a word to a company is not right. Especially if the word is extended to a family. 

Yet lots of those limited words are present in trademarks. 

In this particular case it is Vision Pro and it is taken for exactly the same product category as the Apple Vision Pro. 

But then again, we used to have 'Apple Computer' and the fight with 'Apple music' . 

How many different words are there for 'Apple'? 

I don't disagree with you on the basics but that's how things are. 

There are General Motors, General Electric, General Instrument, and many more. I think Appel Vision Pro should be good to go as long as Huawei did not have a similar product already in market. 

Huawei has different eyewear products that range from simple 'smart' eyewear with audio, through to eyewear for AR and for viewing video.

It also has cameras for TVs for AR related tasks and gesture support. 

There are also non-eyewear products like AR-HUDs. 

It's very active in the imaging 'Vision' fields and has been working on XR from both a consumer and industry perspective. 

Huawei Vision does not have Apple Vision Pro equivalent. Judging from Huawei copycatting Apple products history, it will have one by the end of this year.

https://consumer.huawei.com/en/visions/s/

It doesn't need to have an Apple Vision Pro equivalent. 

There is absolutely no requirement for that but its case is strengthened by the fact that Huawei has been actively working in the AR field for years and with different shipping products. 

LiDAR, camera technology, gesture technology, AI, display technology, ultra low latency communications, chipsets, battery technology, software. 

On top of that it is also developing the ICT backend technology to support ubiquitous use of XR. 

If it trademarked the 'Vision Pro' name for ten years, it's reasonable to assume that a product might appear during that timeframe. 

As for the copycat claims, did you know that Apple is rumoured to licence almost 800 patents from Huawei, and over the last six years Huawei has pioneered a lot of features that have ended up in Apple products. 

Well, Apple licensing from Huawei is not a valid defense that Huawei did not copycat Apple products. Visit its product page, you can see that Huawei is trying to fool consumers. MateBook? MatePad? FreeBuds? 

Names? 

The Mate branding has been around since 2013. As computers and tablets were introduced, the naming spilled over into those categories as they were built with interconnection in mind. Hence the MateBook and MatePad. The naming makes a lot of sense. 

There is also a MatePad Paper with no Apple product equivalent. 

The Freebuds Pro were actually more advanced than Apple Airpods at launch. I see nothing similar in the name. 

At this year's WWDC did you notice that soon Apple will let you choose more devices for camera input/output (I can't remember which off the top of my head). Where have I heard that before? HarmonyOS!

And they also claimed faster syncing/lower Bluetooth latency. Where have I heard that before? HarmonyOS!

Air gestures? This is a few years old now:



Smart Eyewear:

https://consumer.huawei.com/en/wearables/huawei-eyewear/

That's now on Gen 3. 

Vision Glasses:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Huawei-Vision-Glass-smart-glasses-debut-in-China-with-Micro-OLED-displays.673972.0.html

I really don't think they will have any problems defending their use of Vision Pro if it comes to the crunch but I don't think Apple will even try because it's no secret where Huawei is heading with all these technologies. 

As for a valid defence against the copycat claims, patents and products are perfect for that, along with massive R&D outlay. 

Anyone who only copies, doesn’t  invest 20 billion dollars in R&D every year and constantly make the top rankings for patents. It doesn't pioneer technology in several key industries. 

Well, even Huawei founder Ren admitted Huawei was a follower of Apple. Apple choose TSMC as chip fabrication partner, use Sony image sensor, and Huawei copied. Apple is the center of high tech innovation. 

"Apple is the center of high tech innovation"

I think you may have lost touch with reality. 

Remind me where Apple's 5G modem is? 

Apple is a CE company. It is vitally important that you keep that front and foremost in your trains of thought. 

Huawei has far more breadth (and responsability) in industry than Apple. 

Here is just the latest announcement, in this case in for fintech:

https://e.huawei.com/en/news/2023/industries/finance/data-infrastructure-architecture-f2f2x

That is an architectural proposition that Apple would never touch. It has nowhere near the resources or knowhow to get anywhere near that kind of mission critical technology. 


TSMC had Huawei as one its major customers and often began mass production of Huawei chips before starting Apple runs. That's why, up until government sanctions at least, Huawei and Apple were releasing phones on the latest nodes at the same time. 

It's ironic that you would note that that Apple "has nowhere near the resources or knowhow to get anywhere near that kind of mission critical technology" as Huawei, which is in fact the ongoing argument for removing Huawei from critical telecom infrastructure in the West. That Huawei had its hands in Xinjiang, spying on minorities, is well known, and sufficient in itself for blocking Huawei from Western technology.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/14/huawei-surveillance-china/

and;

https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/14/22834860/huawei-leaked-documents-xinjiang-region-uyghur-facial-recognition-prisons-surveillance

The Washington Post says it obtained the PowerPoints from a public Huawei site before they were taken down. According to the report, the slides included details on Huawei’s involvement with other companies in creating several systems and had metadata dating them anywhere from 2014 to 2020 (with copyright dates being listed from 2016 to 2018).

And yet, their technology continues to roll out worldwide, and yes on swathes of critical infrastructure, too. 

The west? Over 30 years delivering tech solutions and not a single major breach. 

The link I shared mentioned over 1,300 financial institutions onboard for the products using F2F2X and this part, almost mentioned in passing, represents a massive technological advancement:

"Core technologies such as decoupled storage and compute and multi-controller and multi-active architecture"

Have you any idea what that sentence is hiding? 

Baby steps but this is the goal:

https://blocksandfiles.com/2021/04/14/huawei-denser-storage-systems/

That is absolutely essential for when XR really hits the cloud. 

Of course, you chose to basically ignore what I said and simply injected politics. 

waveparticle said:

tmay said:

waveparticle said:

tmay said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

waveparticle said:

avon b7 said:

Yes, Huawei has been using the 'Vision' branding for a while now and specifically in AR glasses and smart screens too, so the Apple name does overlap slightly.

I'm currently interested in a Vision 3 to replace a Samsung TV if it gets a release in Spain. The previous model was available here. 

We are talking about well known, commercial products (and not all of them are limited to China) so it is hard to believe Apple wasn't well aware of the situation. 

It's possible that the issue has already been taken into account. 

There are only a limited set of English words to describe a specific thing. To grant patent of a word to a company is not right. Especially if the word is extended to a family. 

Yet lots of those limited words are present in trademarks. 

In this particular case it is Vision Pro and it is taken for exactly the same product category as the Apple Vision Pro. 

But then again, we used to have 'Apple Computer' and the fight with 'Apple music' . 

How many different words are there for 'Apple'? 

I don't disagree with you on the basics but that's how things are. 

There are General Motors, General Electric, General Instrument, and many more. I think Appel Vision Pro should be good to go as long as Huawei did not have a similar product already in market. 

Huawei has different eyewear products that range from simple 'smart' eyewear with audio, through to eyewear for AR and for viewing video.

It also has cameras for TVs for AR related tasks and gesture support. 

There are also non-eyewear products like AR-HUDs. 

It's very active in the imaging 'Vision' fields and has been working on XR from both a consumer and industry perspective. 

Huawei Vision does not have Apple Vision Pro equivalent. Judging from Huawei copycatting Apple products history, it will have one by the end of this year.

https://consumer.huawei.com/en/visions/s/

It doesn't need to have an Apple Vision Pro equivalent. 

There is absolutely no requirement for that but its case is strengthened by the fact that Huawei has been actively working in the AR field for years and with different shipping products. 

LiDAR, camera technology, gesture technology, AI, display technology, ultra low latency communications, chipsets, battery technology, software. 

On top of that it is also developing the ICT backend technology to support ubiquitous use of XR. 

If it trademarked the 'Vision Pro' name for ten years, it's reasonable to assume that a product might appear during that timeframe. 

As for the copycat claims, did you know that Apple is rumoured to licence almost 800 patents from Huawei, and over the last six years Huawei has pioneered a lot of features that have ended up in Apple products. 

Well, Apple licensing from Huawei is not a valid defense that Huawei did not copycat Apple products. Visit its product page, you can see that Huawei is trying to fool consumers. MateBook? MatePad? FreeBuds? 

Names? 

The Mate branding has been around since 2013. As computers and tablets were introduced, the naming spilled over into those categories as they were built with interconnection in mind. Hence the MateBook and MatePad. The naming makes a lot of sense. 

There is also a MatePad Paper with no Apple product equivalent. 

The Freebuds Pro were actually more advanced than Apple Airpods at launch. I see nothing similar in the name. 

At this year's WWDC did you notice that soon Apple will let you choose more devices for camera input/output (I can't remember which off the top of my head). Where have I heard that before? HarmonyOS!

And they also claimed faster syncing/lower Bluetooth latency. Where have I heard that before? HarmonyOS!

Air gestures? This is a few years old now:



Smart Eyewear:

https://consumer.huawei.com/en/wearables/huawei-eyewear/

That's now on Gen 3. 

Vision Glasses:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Huawei-Vision-Glass-smart-glasses-debut-in-China-with-Micro-OLED-displays.673972.0.html

I really don't think they will have any problems defending their use of Vision Pro if it comes to the crunch but I don't think Apple will even try because it's no secret where Huawei is heading with all these technologies. 

As for a valid defence against the copycat claims, patents and products are perfect for that, along with massive R&D outlay. 

Anyone who only copies, doesn’t  invest 20 billion dollars in R&D every year and constantly make the top rankings for patents. It doesn't pioneer technology in several key industries. 

Well, even Huawei founder Ren admitted Huawei was a follower of Apple. Apple choose TSMC as chip fabrication partner, use Sony image sensor, and Huawei copied. Apple is the center of high tech innovation. 

"Apple is the center of high tech innovation"

I think you may have lost touch with reality. 

Remind me where Apple's 5G modem is? 

Apple is a CE company. It is vitally important that you keep that front and foremost in your trains of thought. 

Huawei has far more breadth (and responsability) in industry than Apple. 

Here is just the latest announcement, in this case in for fintech:

https://e.huawei.com/en/news/2023/industries/finance/data-infrastructure-architecture-f2f2x

That is an architectural proposition that Apple would never touch. It has nowhere near the resources or knowhow to get anywhere near that kind of mission critical technology. 


TSMC had Huawei as one its major customers and often began mass production of Huawei chips before starting Apple runs. That's why, up until government sanctions at least, Huawei and Apple were releasing phones on the latest nodes at the same time. 

It's ironic that you would note that that Apple "has nowhere near the resources or knowhow to get anywhere near that kind of mission critical technology" as Huawei, which is in fact the ongoing argument for removing Huawei from critical telecom infrastructure in the West. That Huawei had its hands in Xinjiang, spying on minorities, is well known, and sufficient in itself for blocking Huawei from Western technology.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/14/huawei-surveillance-china/

and;

https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/14/22834860/huawei-leaked-documents-xinjiang-region-uyghur-facial-recognition-prisons-surveillance

The Washington Post says it obtained the PowerPoints from a public Huawei site before they were taken down. According to the report, the slides included details on Huawei’s involvement with other companies in creating several systems and had metadata dating them anywhere from 2014 to 2020 (with copyright dates being listed from 2016 to 2018).

Facial recognition is for national security. But in western nations Chinese security is unimportant. It bugged my mind why TikTok is national security concern to US especially the state of Montana. 

I dunno, could it be that only Wyoming, North Dakota, and Montana have ICBM silos as part of the U.S. Nuclear Triad?

No! Montana state government tried to ban TikTok. 

Bipartisan efforts for a nationwide TikTok ban have accelerated in recent months, after an initial proposal to ban the app by former President Donald Trump in 2020 was revoked by the Biden Administration the following year. A majority of U.S. states banned TikTok from government devices after reports—in Forbes and elsewhere—indicated the app could track user keystrokes and that ByteDance, TikTok’s parent company, was tracking American citizens. A similar ban was issued by Congress in December. Several schools and universities have also issued bans that block access to TikTok via campus Wi-Fi. Federal regulators have threatened to ban the app in the U.S. if TikTok’s China-based owners did not sell their stake in the company. The Chinese government and TikTok subsequently opposed this.

I don't have any use for TikTok and frankly, it's probably no worse than any other social networking, but it is true that Douyin is China's TikTok and it certainly is compliant with the Chinese Government when it comes to censorship. I'd bet that TikTok is quite the tool for Chinese propaganda in most countries.

https://theconversation.com/china-could-be-harvesting-tiktok-data-but-much-of-the-user-information-is-already-out-in-the-open-201897#:~:text=For%20a%20long%20time%2C%20TikTok,in%20China%20could%20access%20data.

Security concerns were supported by a report in 2022 from cyber security firm Internet 2.0. Their investigations appeared to show that TikTok was capturing data with the potential to be useful, should someone wish to build a profile of the user. 

This would have remained a purely theoretical threat if the data were not being passed back to China. For a long time, TikTok insisted any data collected by their servers could not be accessed by anyone in China.

In November 2022, the company changed its privacy policy. It now said staff in China could access data. In fact, it went further, stating that European users’ data was accessible to TikTok staff in Brazil, Canada, Israel, the US and Singapore. This did little to help quell security concerns.

ByteDance has responded to recent bans by saying it has not provided user data to the Chinese government. It also claims that its data collection practices align with those of other social media companies.

Who's to know, outside of the Chinese Government and Byte Dance, if Byte Dance actually provides data to the Chinese Government? 

Yeah, I don't trust Byte Dance.