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M68000 said:

Interesting comment about Silicon Valley being young persons game.  What about experience being valuable to have in any field, not just Silicon Valley?   Anyway,  didn’t he just sell a massive amount of stock?  Thought I saw that.  Could that mean he is planning to get out,  soon?

avon b7 said:

Xed said:

caladanian said:

Makes sense. Professionals don’t like experiments and like to wait for a well established matured technology before they shift horses. 

You think Apple designing and using their chips is an “experiment”? We’ll that’s one fucking  long abd established experiment.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_silicon

I don't think you should be reading 'experiment' in a literal sense in this case.

His other comments qualify what he means very clearly.

He is saying that professionals prefer to sit back and wait for hardware/software to mature before moving to a new platform. In fact, you could also read 'experiment' as referring to pro users themselves. 

I'm sure many do wait and get by on very old yet stable setups.

Being able to purchase a modern intel based system will surely appeal to many professionals for the reasons he indicated. 

It is yet to be seen if an M series pro line will even be a commercial success for professional users. In an unprecedented move Apple had to apologise for what happened with the cyclinder line and pre-announce that a new design was in the works. 

Apple hasn't been exactly up front with its pro plans - ever. It has pulled rugs out from under feet, backtracked and left products to die or stagnate at almost every turn. Radically altered pricing, file formats etc. 

'Commitment' has always been an issue for Apple. It's quite easy to drop or vastly alter product direction in the consumer electronics market and Apple is constantly pushing consumers to upgrade. Even resulting in 'stealth' upgrades for major systems updates. Unless you read the system update dialog carefully, choosing to 'not update now' could result in the system being 'automatically' updated in the middle of the night. You only have to look at the way that dialog is presented to the user, to see the intent behind it. Also, there is no simple click option to permanently put off an upgrade. It has never been clear about what product features are dropped either.

That's a lot of reasons for pro users to wait for platform stability and maturity before switching. 

Xed said:

crowley said:

Xed said:

crowley said:

Xed said:

caladanian said:

Makes sense. Professionals don’t like experiments and like to wait for a well established matured technology before they shift horses. 

You think Apple designing and using their chips is an “experiment”? We’ll that’s one fucking  long abd established experiment.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_silicon

Professionals tend to view their workstations a bit more sensitively than your average consumer electronics.

Because someone wants Intel in their workstation it means that Apple designing their own chips for well over a decade is just an immature experiment. Got it!

Apple hasn't shipped a single workstation with their own silicon.  They've only been shipping Macs with their own CPUs for 6 months.  I'm sure it'll probably be fine, but it'll definitely be an experiment.  The trash can Mac Pro was also an experiment, because that form factor hadn't been done before, so I imagine there's a few people still feeling a little sore from that.

By that measure than any change becomes an experiement. Are you saying that professionals never buy new Macs? Are you saying that no one who uses their Mac for work bought a trashcan Mac Pro? How about professionals who focus on video and photos? Did no one buy the Pro Display XDR because it was an "experiment," as you put it, despite being superior in its abilities?

The simple fact is that Apple is transitioning from Intel to ARM, and when they have all the parts ready and in place to make the transition for a Mac type they're going to fucking do it despite your foolish, anti-Apple, "professionals want real processors", derp derp argument.

StrangeDays said:

sdw2001 said:

About time, just as with the need for M1X MBP’s.  It’s been over a year since the M1 shipped and we still don’t have a 16” MBP.  

They said right you front it was a multi-year project switch the entire line over. It’s been a year. 

AppleZulu said:

tedz98 said:

What Apple has been avoiding for years but is the absolute solution is a MacBook Pro with a touch screen on an articulated hinge which would allow it to be used as a tablet. There is a convergence occurring between the Mac book and the iPad, especially with the M1 chip. So maybe a large iPad with a keyboard is the solution but you can’t run Mac apps on an iPad. Seems like the best solution is a touch screen Mac book pro.

And yet, Apple has said repeatedly and recently they’re not going to do that.

MacOS is not designed for a touchscreen interface, and Mac Pro users would probably be peeved if MacOS was dumbed down to run tablet computers (which are iPads and already have an operating system).