canukstorm

DAalseth said:

muthuk_vanalingam said:

Wesley Hilliard said:

jdw said:

Wow.  Just wow.

When otherwise staunchly left-leaning Tim Cook isn't quite left enough for the left, they pounce. 

Great job, folks.  Great job.

This has nothing to do with politics and it's an insane leap to try and make it so. Stop.

Agreed. And I usually enjoy reading @jdw's posts. Definitely, not this one. Not after, it was deleted for violating the forum rules.

My personal take on the topic at hand - Ok, Apple lied about an important feature - so what? Everything is fair in love, war and marketing. Apple's marketing is usually not as deceptive as competition and they are still far better than competition even after this situation. Of course. competition is not the gold standard for Apple to follow, rather Apple has to set the high bar for others to follow. But occasional missteps happen and that is inevitable. Is this misstep large enough for CEO to step down - I don't think so, considering the track record of the CEO in question for the last 10+ years.

So what? It’s called fraud and people have been prosecuted for it. At the very least I expect a massive lawsuit over this which I expect Apple will lose costing them millions. The damage to their reputation will be even worse. 

KalMadda said:

gatorguy said:

KalMadda said:

I think people are being way too hard on Apple over this.  For all we know, it sounds like they actually did have these features most of the way completed, but ran into issues later in the process, and so now have to spend time repairing and reworking elements.  And the ads they ran were very clear that those features weren’t available yet.  Sometimes things come up and happen, I’d rather they spend the time to fix whatever issues they ran into with it then them rushing it out for release…

"If these features exist in any sort of working state at all, no one outside Apple has vouched for their existence, let alone for their quality....
 Why did Apple show these personalized Siri features at WWDC last year, and promise their arrival during the first year of Apple Intelligence? Why, for that matter, do they now claim to “anticipate rolling them out in the coming year” if they still currently do not exist in demonstratable form? And now they look so out of their depth, so in over their heads, that not only are they years behind the state-of-the-art in AI, but they don’t even know what they can ship or when.

Their headline features from nine months ago not only haven’t shipped but still haven’t even been demonstrated, which I, for one, now presume means they can’t be demonstrated because they don’t work."

Mark Gurman reported info about them from his sources, first saying they would be ready by 18.4, then saying they had been delayed to 18.5 due to issues that arose with the features.  So there is no reason to believe they don’t exist at all.  Creating AI features like this with privacy and security is a difficult task, and likely they discovered an issue with it recently after the features were most of the way completed that will require some reworking to fix.  That’s the way complex software like this ends up working out sometimes.  There is absolutely zero reason to believe the features don’t exist.

Furthermore, Apple basically never demonstrates unreleased software features before they’re in beta to journalists or any outside sources, so expecting that is incredibly unreasonable.  Just because Apple hasn’t shown these features to journalists doesn’t mean they don’t exist.  That’s a preposterous leap that doesn’t even make any semblance of logical sense…

maltz said:

I really hope this article is vastly overstating what is planned, because this sort of thing is usually a terrible idea.  Beyond some basic things like having similar settings in similar places (which they've already standardized) there's no reason for it - they're different things.  Everyone should have learned this lesson with Windows 8 - Microsoft did.

I don't have any trouble using both a car and a lawnmower.  I can figure out how to use two things.

(Trying to recapture pandemic sales is even more stupid.  That was a one-off even that made some industries boom temporarily, often to their short-term detriment down the road.  Someone pushing up their laptop upgrade because they suddenly work from home doesn't buy a new laptop 1-2 years later when they normally would have.  If that's really what's behind this, I worry for Apple's basic business sense.)

"Apple Inc. is preparing one of the most dramatic software overhauls in the company’s history, aiming to transform the interface of the iPhone, iPad and Mac for a new generation of users.

The revamp — due later this year — will fundamentally change the look of the operating systems and make Apple’s various software platforms more consistent, according to people familiar with the effort. That includes updating the style of icons, menus, apps, windows and system buttons.

As part of the push, the company is working to simplify the way users navigate and control their devices, said the people, who asked not to be identified because the project hasn’t been announced. The design is loosely based on the Vision Pro’s software, they said.

Apple is betting that a breakthrough new interface can help spur demand after a sluggish stretch. Its revenue slowed following a pandemic-era surge in technology spending, and growth is only returning gradually. Apple’s iPhone — its biggest moneymaker — suffered a surprise dip in sales during the most recent holiday season.

The changes are coming as part of iOS 19 and iPadOS 19 — code-named “Luck” — and macOS 16, which is dubbed “Cheer.” They go well beyond a new design language and aesthetic tweaks. The software will mark the most significant upgrade to the Mac since the Big Sur operating system in 2020. For the iPhone, it will be the biggest revamp since iOS 7 in 2013.

The updates are poised to be a highlight at Apple’s Worldwide Developers Conference in June — and could help distract from the company’s tumultuous push into artificial intelligence. Last week, Apple indefinitely delayed its AI upgrades for the Siri digital assistant, confirming a Bloomberg News report that the enhancements were in jeopardy.

A key goal of the overhaul is to make Apple’s different operating systems look similar and more consistent. Right now, the applications, icons and window styles vary across macOS, iOS and visionOS. That can make it jarring to hop from one device to another.

Still, Apple is stopping short of merging its operating systems — a step other tech giants have taken. The company believes it can make better Macs and iPads by keeping their operating systems separate. Another benefit for Apple is it encourages consumers to buy both devices, rather than getting by with one.

Apple’s visionOS, meanwhile, was developed for its mixed-reality headset — a device that melds virtual and augmented reality. That product hasn’t sold well since its debut last year, but the software has innovative touches that will ultimately spread to other devices.

VisionOS differs from iOS and macOS in the use of circular app icons, a simplified approach to windows, translucent panels for navigation, and a more prominent use of 3D depth and shadows. But the Vision Pro’s more immersive experience — and use of a hand-gesture interface — means that some elements won’t apply to the 2D world of iOS and macOS.

The upgrade has become a major focus for Apple’s software engineering organization, as well as the user interface team within the company’s larger design group."

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Johar said:

I have this terrible feeling that MacOS will be dumbed down in order to make it "easier to navigate" for iPhone users. Like when a much used website suddenly is remade with a "mobile first" design approach. Everything becomes huge and space wasting for users with a big screen.

tht said:

canukstorm said:

tht said:

If it had no camera bump, I'd be seriously tempted. Seriously tempted to save money.

However, I want 16 GB of RAM. The M5 generation could support 32 GB, and if Apple wants to, they can offer 64 GB, but that would mean a unique SoC and logic board arrangement for it, imo. Compromises. Holding the line at 16 GB RAM. Wish it could be more.

The M4 can already support up to 32GB RAM.  No need for Apple to wait till M5.

Yes the M4 can do that. The issue is that the current M4 iPad Pro only offers 16 GB max. Don't think Apple is going to do a mid-cycle 32 GB RAM option for the M4 iPad Pro and we must wait for the M5 model to appear.