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Mike Wuerthele said:

elijahg said:

These do look very nice, especially good that they seem to be putting some effort into having a decent GPU now. Shame it's not Nvidia, but still we can't expect Apple to get over their spat with Nvidia for at least 7 years. The keyboard change is really an admission that the butterfly mechanism was a bad design. If the third iteration was reliable, Apple wouldn't have changed back. I do think there is some psychology in that decision, but still.

It does seem that as soon as the world starts to catch up to the connectors on Apple's current computers, they switch to something else. HDMI is becoming fairly ubiquitous, but now we need an adapter. HDMI is thin enough to fit on the Macbook, there is no reason to not include it. It's incredibly useful to be able to connect to devices without an adapter. No worries if you forget it, or don't know you're going to need it before you leave. I've replaced the presenting PC with my 13" 2015 MacBook several times when people have had issues, which wouldn't be possible without its built-in HDMI.

Mike Wuerthele said:

freethinking said:

sudden outbreak of common sense, maybe finally a decent keyboard again to replace the pieces of shit they put in over past years and a proper "esc" key is the right call ... excellent! its progress in the right direction but it looks like it still needs $100+ dollars of adapters to do anything useful.

how hard is it to make a "pro" machine that does not need an adapter to plug into HDMI (essentially what is required by any presentation in business or education) .

but non butterfly keyboard and a decent 'esc' key is already a good first step to get back to the formerly brilliant mac book pros.

No adapter required. $18.

https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-USB-C-Supporting-Black/dp/B073H9RG9T/

That's still an adapter, it adapts from one format to another, just all in one cable.

It is no more an adapter than a HDMI to HDMI cable is, or a HDMI to mini-HDMI. USB-C literally contains the HDMI spec.

hmurchison said:

Nope. 

Based on past history of just abandoning anything that takes a modicum of effort 
it would be unwise for those who are not of the Apple Sheep cloth to put much faith 
in Apple being consistent with any product at this level.    You only need look at 

1.  The demise of the Xserve server and RAID 
2.  Apple acquiring and doing nothing with PowerSchool. 
3.  The neglect of iBook Author despite the small but fanatical fan base  
4.  Aperture’s slow decaying death 
5.  OS X Server turning into a toy 

Apple’s spent their money on AI companies and other ancillary technologies but they haven’t spent much effort 
into growing their Pro apps beyond routine small features and maintenance updates. 

I’d trust Apple if I had a few workstations to purchase but I’d be wary with committing to anything more than that. 

hmurchison said:

Nope. 

Based on past history of just abandoning anything that takes a modicum of effort 
it would be unwise for those who are not of the Apple Sheep cloth to put much faith 
in Apple being consistent with any product at this level.    You only need look at 

5.  OS X Server turning into a toy 

Apple’s spent their money on AI companies and other ancillary technologies but they haven’t spent much effort 
into growing their Pro apps beyond routine small features and maintenance updates. 

I’d trust Apple if I had a few workstations to purchase but I’d be wary with committing to anything more than that. 

macdoofus said:

When do we expect these will be available to order? "Apple is planning to launch products in the coming months, or even sooner." whoa, I looked before posting. Hmm, Sooner? I shall delay my iMac order as an updated laptop would suit me....if affordable (lol)