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jdw said:

Perhaps I am misunderstanding something, but the video said that to avoid motion sickness, the latency must be LESS THAN 10ms.  However, isn't the Vision Pro Latency 12ms?

I imagine the slight increase of 2-3 ms for Apple (which I assume is just for all the additional processing the Vision Pro is doing) isn't enough to introduce noticeable motion sickness.

Xed said:

h4y3s said:

Remember folks, this is just an early prototype of the eventual "Apple iGlasses". This one built for programmers and developers to get their hands on something that works before they roll out the final product, which will look more like a pair of Ray-Ban's and you will wear all day!  Maybe in five or six years. 

1) They've moved away from i-naming scheme.
2) We are not 5 or 6 years away from getting an M-series chip (or any of the other HW) into something the size and weight of a pay of Ray-Bans.

I think it's more likely to have two different devices. The Vision Pro (fully immersive, VR-capable) with all the computing done on the device. The second device will be Glasses that contain the necessary sensors (cameras, LiDAR, etc) that can transfer the data wirelessly to whatever is processing it (like iPhone) once wireless transfer technology gets to the point where this becomes feasible. It won't be fully immersive; much more AR than VR. But handles a different use case than the full goggles.

omasou said:

Wish the cord used a USB-C interface to connect to the battery. Then third-party batteries or multiple Apple batteries could be use.

Or perhaps that's the point, maybe the battery has to meet certain specs?

Either way seems strange to have a fixed cord length...yeah it may reach my pocket but can I put it on the desk? Actually, the more I think about it this would be a good use case for the magsafe charging connector on the battery side.

MagSafe was my first thought, too. But the more I think about it (both connecting to the band and the battery pack), I think MagSafe is too easily separated with the amount of movement and stress that the headset connection, and especially having a battery in your pocket, would put on it.

sconosciuto said:

Not only do us plebes truly have no idea what Apple is hoping to accomplish with Project Titan... it increasingly sounds as if Apple itself doesn't know, either.

The glass-half-full perspective might be that Apple will eventually figure it out. It took Apple YEARS to figure out how to enter the TV/film biz. That effort is finally starting to take off and it could be really huge now that ATV+ is starting to make an impact while Netflix is flailing. The move into live sports will cement Apple as a player; as recently as a year ago, observers were writing off ATV+ as a popcorn fart.

I would like to think the same dynamic is going on here... there's a huge opportunity and Apple is trying to figure out its place. Also as a shareholder, I would be pissed if they threw in the towel on PT. They can't and they won't. The fact their biggest competitor is working hard on this, is reason enough for Apple to continue its efforts.

I agree. Some of Apple's most impressive and successful products (iPod, iPhone) are a result of taking efforts of their R&D department and features of other failed products and waiting for that right moment when the technology can be applied in a unique and compelling way.

The Newton was prime example of some amazing technology that just wasn't ready for the market. Fast forward 10 years and they're able to take those efforts with better display, sensor, and processor technology to create iPhone.

I think that's the main reason Apple can't seem to find the direction for Project Titan. They either don't feel like the technology is quite there to support what is the actual long term vision for it, or they can't seem to align features together in a product that is actually compelling enough to making it a no-brainer to release. Patience always seems to be where Apple manages to excel above most other companies, so I'm still excited to see what they end up doing in the automotive space.

mattinoz said:

What is the need for a stream only stick when most smartTV have had AppleTV streaming built in for a few years now. 

I assume Apple does need to drop the lower model as the SOC in it uses GPUs that the license is expiring on when they moved to their own GPU 

For me, personally, I prefer the entire AppleTV interface over almost any Smart TV I've had. The AppleTV app on my Samsung is only for watching AppleTV+.