6502

I bought Apple stock after seeing that presentation. Still have it and it hasn't done too shabby.

FileMakerFeller said:

6502 said:

Ha ha Apple. You reap what you sow. Maybe you'll learn your lesson, but I doubt it.

So you're saying the company shouldn't hire the people it thinks are best for the job? That technical skills, which can be objectively measured*, should be discounted in favour of suspicion due to someone's place of residence and/or cultural upbringing?

There are always cultural differences to deal with. Imagine moving to a country where the left hand is considered to be for, uh, personal sanitary activities only - if you're staying for one or two years, would your behaviour change? Would it become a subconscious change? Would it become a permanent change? What about a country where it's illegal to spit out chewing gum in a public place? Or illegal to consume alcohol? Or illegal to, as a woman, dress as you please?


* Not necessarily an accurate representation of someone's ability, but the measurement can be made in a standardised manner that minimises subjectivity.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. It is not simply a minor cultural difference, China is out to overtake and destroy us, our economy, our military and our way of life by any means, including lying, cheating and stealing. Brushing this off as a "cultural" difference is ridiculous. All chinese nationals are working for china and the chinese gov't, any advantage American companies may receive by hiring these people is coincidental to their main goal of benefiting china. How many times does this have to happen before it raises an alarm? I rarely hear of Indians stealing technology and going back to India with it. Only chinese.

Your argument is like saying if a nazi is really good at what they do, we should be able to hire them and just accept the fact that it is their culture to want to kill Jews. Sometimes you just have to stand up for what is right and not worry about being sensitive and politically correct.

Above_The_Gods said:

America has essentially exported its tech industry to Indian and Chinese nationals. This is an inevitable consequence. I would say about ~5% of the Chinese tech employees in the Bay Area are spies.

Agree, but it is way more than 5%.

rotateleftbyte said:

docbburk said:

They birdied the lead.  This group is owned by SoftBank.  SoftBank is the company that pledged to invest 10 billion in US tech development.  They have their hands buried in tech and this screams ANTITRUST VIOLATION.  Let’s buy up all the patents we can to sue as many tech firms as possible, to get money from each item they produce.  I have a feeling SoftBank knows exactly what is going on.  This needs investigated thoroughly.  

Don't forget that Softbank also owns ARM. I dread to think what would happen to APPL stock if Softbank revoked Apple's ARM Licenses.

Since they use ARM chips in a majority of their devices, I'm sure Apple has an iron clad license agreement and is not at risk at losing it (Apple has plenty of highly paid lawyers). They would have to disclose that in their 10Q filings as a significant risk to their business. 

wood1208 said:

This must stop otherwise companies can not continue innovating, developing good products for rest of humanity.  It is not black and white but the patent laws should be if either you or company is innovator so entitled to protect your intellectual property. But, if you are a investor or a group who buy and sell patents than they are considered product/item(not IP) owner so can not sue others for infringement. What about cross licensing and a company wants to buy patent/s from someone or a company. It is complicated but somehow such patent brokers must be stopped suing genuine product developing companies.

Well, it is called intellectual property and it is property that can be bought and sold and has an inherent value. Sometimes you can invent something but don't have the means to commercialize it so you sell your invention to a company that can. The second company still has the right to enforce the IP. While I am against frivolous lawsuits, if people own intellectual property (regardless on how they got it, inventor or bought it) they have the right to defend it. In fact, in some cases, if you don't defend it, you lose your exclusivity rights to it.