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UK group wants $4 billion payout for iCloud users
No, as per the fucking article, the argument boils down to that, and I quote, "specifically, Apple is accused of making it difficult to use alternative suppliers."loopless said:So… apple provides a service for free, albeit with some limitations on storage, but charges to get more storage, this is somehow ripping off UK customers? The argument boils down to 5GB is not enough?
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UK group wants $4 billion payout for iCloud users
Antitrust violations do not require, and have never required, the offending corporation(s) to be monopolies. They merely need to be large enough to unfairly disadvantage competitors.tundraboy said:I don't know. I would think when you build your antitrust lawsuit on the assertion that "iOS is a monopoly", you deserve to be laughed out of court.That’s it.Stop pretending otherwise: that’s a red herring.
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UK group wants $4 billion payout for iCloud users
Which alternative services are they using that replace basic iCloud functionality?beowulfschmidt said:spheric said:
As above, I have not experienced this particular instance of "railroading" (not that there aren't plenty of other examples), nor have I ever had my other family members, for whom I am tech support, ever complain of it.Sure I can turn off iCloud. But if I want to use any alternative service that offers similar functionality, that's not just an initial set-up and configuration (which is to be expected), but rather, a constant fight, because Apple keeps railroading you into their own service.
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UK group wants $4 billion payout for iCloud users
The point that keeps getting missed in discussions like these is that it's not about "what if I don't want to use these features?" — it's "what if I want to use an alternative service?"omasou said:
YOU are focusing on the "disingenuous" statement.spheric said:
The person literally wrote "To say you don’t *have* to use iCloud is disingenuous. The truth is that you have to work to avoid using iCloud. And even when you set it up to avoid it, OSes revert to the default saving to iCloud after each major upgrade."omasou said:
They complained Apple charges too much for iCloud. Well then use a free tier on another platform or compare prices.spheric said:
You didn’t read his comment.omasou said:decoderring said:I agree with the UK group. Apple’s pricing versus its offer for storage is obscene and clearly a way to gouge customers month after month.
To say you don’t *have* to use iCloud is disingenuous. The truth is that you have to work to avoid using iCloud. And even when you set it up to avoid it, OSes revert to the default saving to iCloud after each major upgrade.
It’s one of the reasons why I dislike the current Apple.
100% BS. Dropbox, MS OneDrive, Google Drive, etc. still exist. Learn how to use them or as the other poster said, switch platforms if iOS is too onerous and costly for you.
The iPhone worked before iCloud and it still works w/o iCloud.
EOD, Apple provide 5GB free and for a nominal fee 50GB. 5GB is more than enough to save preferences. 50GB more than enough to save important documents, etc.
But if you want to save all of your high resolution photos and back up stupid iMessages loaded with mimes, twitch videos, etc. then learn to take lower resolution photos and clean up iMessage or shut up and pay up.
It's not up to Apple to provide endless free storage to back up all the useless cr*p people refuse to curate.
Which part of that is BS?
You responded to their post with a point you wanted to make, but you completely ignored what they actually wrote. You weren't responding to what they wrote.
They weren't bitching about free tiers or anything — they did complain about the pricing (which is pretty high, no BS), but the main point was that it is NOT easy to avoid using iCloud, because it keeps defaulting back and requires more work to NOT use it.
Which, incidentally, is what this lawsuit is actually about. On point, as it were.
All anyone has to do is NOT sign into iCloud. The iPhone will continue to work the same as it did before iCloud. Oh, but if you want to sync your devices, b/c you own more than one Apple device, then iCloud is the best solution and well worth the price. That said the free 5GB plan works fine and no one is forcing anyone to purchase additional iCloud storage.
"I" was focusing on the Apple’s pricing versus its offer for storage is obscene and clearly a way to gouge customers month after month. statement, which is complete BS. This person seems to never have purchased (cost) and managed (time = cost) a NAS or had to manually backup (time = cost) a device let alone multiple devices or they would very quickly learn the value of iCloud and the bargain it is.
Now if you want to fight against how Apple designed their ecosystem, then you deserver the difficulties you inherit and perhaps should consider an alternative platforms..
Sure I can turn off iCloud. But if I want to use any alternative service that offers similar functionality, that's not just an initial set-up and configuration (which is to be expected), but rather, a constant fight, because Apple keeps railroading you into their own service.
Why would I want to do that? Maybe there are family licenses for services, maybe it's a better deal (see above regarding "cost of storage"), maybe it's a corporate contract, maybe I'm REQUIRED BY LAW to use authorised storage solutions and still want/need device sync — it doesn't matter WHY."Move to Android" is, of course, a solution, but again: that's not what antitrust is about. -
UK group wants $4 billion payout for iCloud users
The person literally wrote "To say you don’t *have* to use iCloud is disingenuous. The truth is that you have to work to avoid using iCloud. And even when you set it up to avoid it, OSes revert to the default saving to iCloud after each major upgrade."omasou said:
They complained Apple charges too much for iCloud. Well then use a free tier on another platform or compare prices.spheric said:
You didn’t read his comment.omasou said:decoderring said:I agree with the UK group. Apple’s pricing versus its offer for storage is obscene and clearly a way to gouge customers month after month.
To say you don’t *have* to use iCloud is disingenuous. The truth is that you have to work to avoid using iCloud. And even when you set it up to avoid it, OSes revert to the default saving to iCloud after each major upgrade.
It’s one of the reasons why I dislike the current Apple.
100% BS. Dropbox, MS OneDrive, Google Drive, etc. still exist. Learn how to use them or as the other poster said, switch platforms if iOS is too onerous and costly for you.
The iPhone worked before iCloud and it still works w/o iCloud.
EOD, Apple provide 5GB free and for a nominal fee 50GB. 5GB is more than enough to save preferences. 50GB more than enough to save important documents, etc.
But if you want to save all of your high resolution photos and back up stupid iMessages loaded with mimes, twitch videos, etc. then learn to take lower resolution photos and clean up iMessage or shut up and pay up.
It's not up to Apple to provide endless free storage to back up all the useless cr*p people refuse to curate.
Which part of that is BS?
You responded to their post with a point you wanted to make, but you completely ignored what they actually wrote. You weren't responding to what they wrote.
They weren't bitching about free tiers or anything — they did complain about the pricing (which is pretty high, no BS), but the main point was that it is NOT easy to avoid using iCloud, because it keeps defaulting back and requires more work to NOT use it.
Which, incidentally, is what this lawsuit is actually about. On point, as it were.
