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  • Apple's flavor of RCS won't support Google's end-to-end encryption extension

    sphericspheric
    jimh2 said:
    maasj said:
    Just use Signal. 
    Why would anyone deviate from iMessage?
    Because outside of the US and Britain, nobody uses iMessage. 
    williamlondonmuthuk_vanalingam

  • Apple's flavor of RCS won't support Google's end-to-end encryption extension

    sphericspheric
    Thanks for setting the record straight on Google’s APIs. Serves me right for assuming that someone knew what he was talking about. 
    gatorguymuthuk_vanalingam

  • Apple's flavor of RCS won't support Google's end-to-end encryption extension

    sphericspheric
    gatorguy said:
    Apple basically said “fuck you” to Google.

    I’ve repeatedly said Apple should counter Google’s shame campaign by announcing they’ll support RCS when Google opens up their RCS APIs for everyone. Including competitors like WhatsApp or Telegram.

    Google has their own RCS APIs in Android but Samsung is the only one allowed to use them. Developers have asked and Google has done nothing to allow other Apps to implement RCS via their system and use E2EE.

    So Apple did one better and said they’ll work with standards bodies to improve RCS.

    Now Google’s hopes of a messaging duopoly are finished.


    Apple has no incentive to see E2EE come to RCS. For the sake of marketing, they need to be able to claim iMessage is more secure than any others. Once all of them are interoperably encrypted Apple loses a talking point. 
    Nor does Google — if they did, they'd let other app vendors use their RCS API. 

    Since they don't, we can assume that interoperability is not a priority — it's getting people to use Google's own messaging app. 
    williamlondonAlex1Nericthehalfbee

  • Google now tries getting EU to force open iMessage

    sphericspheric
    gatorguy said:
    spheric said:
    gatorguy said:
    spheric said:
    kmarei said:
    Google has BBE
    blue bubble envy :)
    Not sure why they'd lobby the EU to change it, though — literally nobody gives a shit about the blue bubbles in the EU. 
    It never had anything to do with the color of bubbles beyond it being a visual indicator of a difference.

    If you send a message from your iPhone to an Android user they don't see a blue bubble, will have no visual clue the message came from an iPhone, and might well have no idea what all the blue bubble ruckus is because they've never seen it unless they have some iPhone owning friend who shows them. 

    Pinning it all on a blue bubble is just an effort at being dismissive, "it's all just a juvenile vanity thing", instead of negatively effecting messaging services' continuity, security, and privacy.
    No, that's the European perspective. In America, where iOS has by far the majority usage share, it's a different matter. 

    I just find it curious that they're apparently playing that angle in a jurisdiction where it's completely irrelevant. 
    Try seeing it from a different perspective...

    When Android users converse with each other in Google Messages, their texts and shared media can be both private and highly secure due to E2EE RCS. That all changes when an iPhone enters the room.

    Once your iPhone's Apple Messages, AKA iMessage, joins the conversation, the discussion is compromised: No longer secure, no longer protected from eavesdropping, no longer encrypted as it travels between the devices used in the conversation. Because of an iPhone user the security, privacy, and continuity is thrown out the window. 

    It's for that reason that E2EE interoperability between messaging services is essential if we are to discuss things in private, no governments or cell carriers listening in. 
    The EU is doing a good thing IMHO, and MLS Protocol RFC 9420 will enable it. 
    I understand that, but the exact opposite is true, as well, and both are fairly irrelevant, since the dominant messenger BY FAR is WhatsApp. 

    Google is just trying to leverage the EU to gain more control over a protocol that they themselves only partially support (so far as it's to their advantage). 

    But my point was the Blue Bubble Envy, which is a real phenomenon in the United States, but simply Not A Thing here in Europe. 
    watto_cobra

  • Google now tries getting EU to force open iMessage

    sphericspheric
    gatorguy said:
    spheric said:
    kmarei said:
    Google has BBE
    blue bubble envy :)
    Not sure why they'd lobby the EU to change it, though — literally nobody gives a shit about the blue bubbles in the EU. 
    It never had anything to do with the color of bubbles beyond it being a visual indicator of a difference.

    If you send a message from your iPhone to an Android user they don't see a blue bubble, will have no visual clue the message came from an iPhone, and might well have no idea what all the blue bubble ruckus is because they've never seen it unless they have some iPhone owning friend who shows them. 

    Pinning it all on a blue bubble is just an effort at being dismissive, "it's all just a juvenile vanity thing", instead of negatively effecting messaging services' continuity, security, and privacy.
    No, that's the European perspective. In America, where iOS has by far the majority usage share, it's a different matter. 

    I just find it curious that they're apparently playing that angle in a jurisdiction where it's completely irrelevant. 
    watto_cobra