spheric

AllM said:

spheric said:

AllM said:

spheric said:

foregoneconclusion said:

 Zero damage has been done to EU consumers. 

Software simply not being available AT ALL because developers cannot or will not with Apple's terms of service, or cannot or will not accommodate for Apple's sales commission, constitutes "damage to consumers", because the consumers have fewer options available to them than they would otherwise. 

Consumers not even knowing that they might be deprived of options is "damaging" them. 

It doesn't matter to the law whether you personally agree. 

Crapware / hidden malware can do much more damage. 

If we the people don’t matter to a law, then doesn’t that law suck, and shouldn’t it be resisted until repealed, not justified by sophistry? Especially if it’s foreign. 

a) it's not "foreign" where I'm sitting. The internet is a global thing. So is Apple, by the way. 

b) there has been, and still is, plenty of data-sucking borderline malware and crapware on the iOS App Store. Apple even had to add a "this app is requesting to paste data" warning in iOS 17, because apps were reading the contents of the clipboard and sending them off to their motherships. 

The reason the damage is limited is because downloaded software has no hooks into the system, and cannot do anything outside its default sandbox without explicitly asking for access from the user. 

This will not change with support for multiple app stores. 

I DO share your concern, and I actually agree with you that this may be an overall net negative for the platform, when Pops taps on something interesting, which prompts him to install a shady store app to get the app, which actually does something completely different than advertised. 

I worry about this, too. 

Good points. What I'm worried about isn't some occasional rogue download, though. Android has a switch to restrict app installs to Play Market, and it works as intended. Rather, what bothers me is that some developers may intentionally pull out of Apple's app store, thus forcing their customers to use theirs. 

AllM said:

spheric said:

foregoneconclusion said:

 Zero damage has been done to EU consumers. 

Software simply not being available AT ALL because developers cannot or will not with Apple's terms of service, or cannot or will not accommodate for Apple's sales commission, constitutes "damage to consumers", because the consumers have fewer options available to them than they would otherwise. 

Consumers not even knowing that they might be deprived of options is "damaging" them. 

It doesn't matter to the law whether you personally agree. 

Crapware / hidden malware can do much more damage. 

If we the people don’t matter to a law, then doesn’t that law suck, and shouldn’t it be resisted until repealed, not justified by sophistry? Especially if it’s foreign. 

AllM said:

bulk001 said:

glennh said:

As an Apple shareholder, I would demand that any third party App Store, pay upfront their fair share to Apple for all R&D, marketing, IP, transportation, security and other associated yearly expenses and costs that Apple bears in making and maintaining its various devices and associated software products. 

The walled garden is going away. The iPhone and iPad will move more and more to the Mac model. You are going to have to start learning to deal with it and decide how you want to move forward with your investment. Apple is going to have to start learning to deal with it too. Then have become too dependent on the iPhone and a watch, self driving car, weather app, and VR are not going to move the company forward like the iPhone did. Cook has done a great job generating iterative changes to make money but under his leadership Apple has missed on search, cloud, AI etc. In comparison MS moved into other areas after they lost the phone wars and somehow managed to closed on Friday as the world’s most valuable company, doing it without a phone type device or a map app. 

Today, it’s Apple. Tomorrow, it’s America. The fewer Nordic socialist types on American soil, the better. 

P.S. MS don’t produce jack in consumer electronics. If you ain’t no boring corporate type, you’ll hardly ever buy anything from them. 

AllM said:

I don’t get it. Why won’t Vestager mention any kind of obligation for developers to also publish on Apple’s App Store? Otherwise, this would be a massive intrusion into my private life as a customer. Suppose Adobe or whatnot decided they’d distribute their software through their own ‘store’ only. That would effectively force their customers to use that ‘store’ with possibly zero quality control assured. 

daven said:

Masimo is a $6 billion company. Quit trying to play the ‘poor me, I’m being picked on’ card.