danvm

christopher126 said:

Huh? I thought so.

"Best in class" MacBook, Apple enjoys ~98% of Market Share of laptops over $1,000.

"Best in class" MacBook Pro

"Best in class" Apple Watch...within 8 months of it's debut, it was second to only Rolex as far a income generation.

"Best in class" desktops.

"Best in class" OS.

"Best in class" iOS. Just ask MS, RIM, Nokia, etc., etc.

"Best in class" mobile phone....ask Samsung!

"Best in class" Free software included w/ every device.

Most popular camera in the world.

Most popular video camera in the world (I think that's right?).

Best Music SW. iTunes.

Best TV interface. AppleTV.

Best Stores: Apple Store generate more sales $'s per sq/ft than Tiffany's.

Highest Customer Sat., in the ~90%+

Best.

1)  The $1000.00 marketshare was around 2006-2007.  I didn't find any recent article that suggest still valid today. 
2)  You should read the list of issues, that includes problems with the display image and battery life.  Even Consumers Reports remove the MBP from the recommended list.
3)  I don't think Apple Watch and Rolex should be in the same line. 
4)  Not true at all.  HP, Lenovo and Dell have high quality models, far more capable than what Apple offers today. 
5)  macOS have many advantages over Windows, and vice versa.  There is no absolute best OS.
6)  iOS is a great, OS, same as Android.  Again, there is no absolute best OS.
7)   I have to agree.  What is interesting was how highly rated was the Galaxy Note before the battery issues, so next year competition will be stronger. 
8)  Is this serious thing?
9)  Mobile camera, yes.
10)  Mobile video camera, yes.
11)  Do you really think iTunes is the best music software?
12)  Apple TV UI is good, same as Roku.
13)  Still true today. 
14)  Still true today, not sure for next year based in the recent issues. 

sog35 said:

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sog35 said:

robin huber said:

Here we go again with the tepid improvements. Apple got its cred by under promising and over delivering; by dropping unbelievably cool products on us. Now all we get in the Mac line are excuses and justifications. I'm not buying the "mature" product argument anymore. The automobile was about as mature as you could get, and then came Tesla. Come on, Apple, Tesla us. Be Apple again. Hoist up the pirate flags and deliver an insanely great, totally unexpected paradigm shifting Mac again. 

sorry friend, but Apple makes profit unlike Tesla.

bottom line is PC's are not only a mature product but they have been SURPASSED by mobile devices and wearables.

This is like expecting Tesla to 'wow us' with a horse and buggy design.

PC is dead. Don't expect big innovation from the PC space anymore.

Surface Studio is evidence that you can innovate in the desktop market.  Apple is the one that ignores it because of the "fridge/toaster" thing.  And looks like MS proved them wrong. 

The only reason Microsoft is focusing so much on PC is because it feeds its cash cows (windows/office) and because they absolutely FAILED at mobile

Same for Apple, that focus so much in mobile, because it feeds their cash cows (iOS devices).

Sorry holmes. Microsoft has sold so few Surface Studios that they won't even mention how many units they sold. Surface Studio is a niche product or a niche product. 

My reply was to your post,

"The only reason Microsoft is focusing so much on PC is because it feeds its cash cows (windows/office) "

Windows / Office aren't niche products.  The Surface Studio is a niche device, focused in designers and artists. But it's interesting how the "niche" device showed how slow Apple have become in innovation.  They proved that desktop touchscreen are usable, while Apple went with the toaster / fridge "logic".   

WRONG.

Microsoft still has not proven a touch desktop is usable. They have sold so few Surface Studio units, it has proven NOTHING. 

When Microsoft is selling tens of millions of touch desktops then we can talk.

If sales numbers is what define what is usable, then macOS is completely useless compared to Windows, same as Android, which is ahead of iOS.

sales numbers isn't everything.

But when a device only sales a couple thousand units, that is not enough proof that the device is successful.

Over the last 5 years, Apple has sold well over 70 million Mac's. There is not question the Mac platform is here to stay. Can't say the same thing about the Surface Studio

You say sales aren't everything, but then point to the 70M Mac's that were sold.  Lenovo, HP and Dell sold far more devices than that.  Does that mean Mac's are useless? 

I remember a lot of people here saying that the Surface line will be dead by now, because touch screen in a notebook was useless, and they were wrong.  It is very expensive, and may never sell to the iMac levels (which isn't that big either, compared to sales of HP, Dell and Lenovo).  What it's clear is that MS made a big impact with the Surface Studio.

Google for Surface Studio reviews, and you'll see that most of them are very positive.  So it looks like based in the experience of those users, it has been a success.  And that's the V1 of the product. 

Surface Studio has made ZERO impact with the public. 
It only impacted desperate tech writers who need to write something.

Just stop. Surface Studio is not selling at all. That's why we don't get ANY unit sales.  Same with the entire Surface line. We get ZERO unit numbers.

Why bring again that the Surface Studio is not selling?  Do you remember your line "sales numbers isn't everything"?  Read the reviews, go to a MS Store o purchase one, try it and then you'll have an idea of the experience.  But don't make assumptions based in sales numbers. 

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danvm said:

sog35 said:

goldenclaw said:

I posted this in another thread but since that one was late and will get buried...

I hate that type of rubbish that Cook is spouting.

How difficult is it to simply come out with a model update regularly that has a faster processor, new graphics card, and maybe new ports (Thunderbolt 3, USB-C, etc).? Apple itself is probably making it harder to do this by inherently making designs non-upgradable.

The main problem is Apple thinks they need to reinvent the wheel every time they come out with a desktop. The cylinder Mac Pro is a perfect example...it's more about visual aesthetic then anything else. They probably spent years refining the cylinder. The Mac mini is the Cube concept refined to it's maximum (minus any thought for upgradability or expandability).

Then to see their laptop line adopt a gimmick like the Touch Bar...and remove all ports except USB-C...it really makes me wonder what they are thinking. I like Apple products, and they will sell millions of units regardless of what I think, but it's still frustrating.

Apple has been making pretty regular updates on the iMac and Macbook.

The MacPro is a niche product, so you can't expect them to update that every year.

HP, Lenovo and Dell have updated their workstations with the latest CPUs and GPU's for the last three years, while Apple haven't done anything to the Mac Pro.  They still sell it at the same price of 3yrs ago.  It's true that you don't need to update every year, but three years (and counting) is just wrong. 

The market for the MacPro is too small to make yearly updates

I don't think Workstations from HP, Lenovo and Dell are big sellers.  But they still serve a line of high end customers, just as the MacPro did many years ago.  It's a shame for Apple to ignore the MacPro, while these three company keep their offerings up to date.  And old specs is not the only thing, keep the same price is non sense too. 

sog35 said:

goldenclaw said:

I posted this in another thread but since that one was late and will get buried...

I hate that type of rubbish that Cook is spouting.

How difficult is it to simply come out with a model update regularly that has a faster processor, new graphics card, and maybe new ports (Thunderbolt 3, USB-C, etc).? Apple itself is probably making it harder to do this by inherently making designs non-upgradable.

The main problem is Apple thinks they need to reinvent the wheel every time they come out with a desktop. The cylinder Mac Pro is a perfect example...it's more about visual aesthetic then anything else. They probably spent years refining the cylinder. The Mac mini is the Cube concept refined to it's maximum (minus any thought for upgradability or expandability).

Then to see their laptop line adopt a gimmick like the Touch Bar...and remove all ports except USB-C...it really makes me wonder what they are thinking. I like Apple products, and they will sell millions of units regardless of what I think, but it's still frustrating.

Apple has been making pretty regular updates on the iMac and Macbook.

The MacPro is a niche product, so you can't expect them to update that every year.

HP, Lenovo and Dell have updated their workstations with the latest CPUs and GPU's for the last three years, while Apple haven't done anything to the Mac Pro.  They still sell it at the same price of 3yrs ago.  It's true that you don't need to update every year, but three years (and counting) is just wrong. 

rogifan_new said:

red oak said:

It is widely estimated that Microsoft sells about 1 million Surface devices per quarter.   That is a far cry from the 10-15 million iPads + 4-5 million Macs sold per quarter. 

AI - Do some basic research or come up with an estimate based on the revenue number and ASP 

Complete click-bait article 

iPad comparison is dumb. Surface is a laptop period. You never see anyone using it without the keyboard attached or in portrait mode. Microsoft fanboys call it a tablet when they think it's a favorable comparison to iPad and a laptop when they think it's a favorable comparison to MacBook Air. Fact is it's not the best of either.

Maybe the SP4 is not the best tablet or notebook.  But still a better desktop replacement than an iPad Pro, that is what Apple is trying to push.  And as a Tablet, I suppose is not as bad as you mention, specially when the customer satisfaction is as good as iPads. 

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-surface-apples-ipad-in-customer-satisfaction-dead-heat/