danvm

tezgno said:

danvm said:

So there are two devices left from you post, Macbook and Surface Pro.  Any details on those two?

Apple doesn't break down the products from I can find (and it's not in the investor earning reports that I get). However, here is what I can say from the investor reports:

Apple did about $24 Billion in Mac sales (revenue) for 2015 (Apple breaks down their charts into iPad, iPhone, Mac, Services, and Other Products). Now, this next number isn't 100% accurate because the next investor report for MS isn't due until January 28th, but based on the current numbers thus far, Surface looks to be about $4 Billion in sales (revenue). Note that revenue doesn't equate to profit. Now, I know that these numbers aren't actual units sold, but the if you compare the dollar amounts, one can easily see that Apple products are in fact outselling the Surface line. Now, over generalizing here, if one considers that the iPad is approximately half the cost of a surface (on average, in general) it would probably be safe to say that a good 6 or 7 to 1 Apple is fair.

latifbp said:

danvm said:

Surface Pro, MS Office Mobile including Outook app, Activesync, InTune / System Center as MDM are some examples on how MS knows mobile. 

The Surface Pro has a great construction, and very good keyboard and stylus, excellent display (some reviews put it ahead of the iPP screen), can be used as a notebook, tablet or desktop (with the docking station) and it's capable of running desktop applications.  And that's a lackluster mobile product?  I know is not perfect (battery life comes to my mind), but it's a very capable mobile device. 

I agree with you, the iPad Pro is just a large tablet with an optional stylus.  The Surface Pro is much more than that, and while it lacks mobile apps, there is no problem with the long list of available applications.  And that's an advantage over OS X and Macbooks (which are mobile devices too) and in some cases, even over iOS. 

Active sync is the absolute WORST implantation of technology I have ever experienced. Who is this clown?

My main desktop is Windows 10 and it had a lot of severe issues in the upgrades made it a bloody mess.

I'm a computer engineer from training and have used Windows since 3.0; I've had to endure quite a bit of MS... "QA" at work.
Just one example, resetting all settings in the big november upgrades, which also made by Wifi completely flaky for 1.5 months until un update last week.
I couldn't get WIFI to work for more than 1h at a time without having to manually reconnect (automatic didn't work); it's a know bug... Like that helps.
Forced upgrades (you can sort of prevent it by claiming you'rer on a metered line, but that's one hell of a kludge). BTW, some upgrades are impossible to do, even manually, if you're on metered, which really weird (speach pack upgrades). I think they know people are using metering as a way to avoid updates.
Privacy leaks... All over the place.
BTW, the upgrade that fixed the WIFI, reset my defaults again and broke some third party apps.

The number of security patches done by Microsoft is extreme for years on end; no wonder they don't want anyone to look at the release notes anymore.

MS releases security fixes in a regular schedule.  Is that a bad thing?

In truth, if Apple release the crap Microsoft did over the year, there would be a riot.

"and while it lacks mobile apps" and, as you acknowledge, it has poor battery life, especially in tablet mode.

Pretty much definition of mobile is touch apps. Most of the applications available to Surface that you refer to are desktop applications.

As a standalone tablet, I'll take an iPad Pro over Surface any day, and the Pencil over any stylus that MS comes up with. Again, let the sales numbers demonstrate any success or failure.

Until developers convert desktop applications to touch or create Universal apps, I stick by my statement that MS hasn't figured mobile out.

As a standalone tablet, I'll take an iPad Pro over Surface any day, and the Pencil over any stylus that MS comes up with. Again, let the sales numbers demonstrate any success or failure.

And I know a lot of people will be as happy as you, same as many people how are happy with their Surface Pro devices.  If your criteria of quality is sales numbers, then Lenovo, Dell and HP are far better than Apple computers, since they sell more PC's (and in some cases, they have better devices than Apple), and iWorks is awful, since MS Office sells much more (in this case, I agree with sales numbers). 

"IMO, Surface Pro has easily standout over other similar products, and that may even include the iPad Pro. "

If CES 2016 is anything to go by, then I disagree. All three major PC makers (Lenovo, Dell, HP), actually have excellent products coming out this year to the point that the SP4 doesn't really stand out anymore. The only one that stands out is the SB.