danvm

Let me know when MS figures mobile out.

Surface Pro, MS Office Mobile including Outook app, Activesync, InTune / System Center as MDM are some examples on how MS knows mobile. 

As far as I'm concerned, Surface has been a lackluster mobile product, and appears targeted towards existing laptop users willing to part with more cash.

The Surface Pro has a great construction, and very good keyboard and stylus, excellent display (some reviews put it ahead of the iPP screen), can be used as a notebook, tablet or desktop (with the docking station) and it's capable of running desktop applications.  And that's a lackluster mobile product?  I know is not perfect (battery life comes to my mind), but it's a very capable mobile device. 

While I'm still waiting for my Pencil, I find that he iPad Pro is redefining large tablets, whereas Surface drives towards a hybrid alternative to laptops, necessarily by its lack of mobile apps.

I agree with you, the iPad Pro is just a large tablet with an optional stylus.  The Surface Pro is much more than that, and while it lacks mobile apps, there is no problem with the long list of available applications.  And that's an advantage over OS X and Macbooks (which are mobile devices too) and in some cases, even over iOS. 

foggyhill said:

danvm said:

 IMO, Surface Pro has easily standout over other similar products, and that may even include the iPad Pro.

Does the term "ripoff" applies to Apple devices, like the iPod, iPhone, Apple Watch, Apple Music, iCloud and iPad / iPad Pro since there were similar devices before Apple offerings?

Actual comments of users have not been as kind as reviewers; Windows 10 is a buggy mess, which is one part of the issue.

I'm an actual user, and Windows 10 was awful in the first release.  But after the latest updates, it has been very stable, even though I'm running in a 6 year HP Elitebook.  BTW, do you have any comments in the quality control of the latest releases of iOS and OS X.  Because what I have read is not too good (even though I had no issues with my MBA). 

I totally disagree that it even competes with the Ipad Pro, as a tablet it's not close

 It's a decent laptop with a OK tablet. It doesn't really hit a come run on the laptop side which one of its major issues.

The Ipad Pro never claims to be a laptop, but a certain set of users it can replace laptop.

If you read, many people are making the comparison, even though MS neither Apple put them as competition.  And Apple positioned the iPad Pro as a possible laptop replacement, and the SP4 does a better job on that, since it runs desktop applications, has a docking station and is compatible with pointing devices.

There are actually tons of competition coming up at CES for the Surface Pros and even Apple's ultrathin laptops (which seems to have been copied despite being derided by some initially).  Apple has some protection from its ecosystem and reputation, but not Microsoft

Remember that most of those laptops and 2 in 1 run Windows, so MS always win, be it because it sells a Surface or because the device has Windows in it.