danvm

DAalseth said:

The elephant in the room though is Copilot. I haven’t used it myself but I know several people who have as part of Office365. They hate it, like truly despise it. Copilot is pushy and they find it getting in the way more than ever helping. Clippy on steroids. So the hardware is only part of the story. The real test will come with Apple’s AI efforts this fall. Let’s hope they aren’t as obnoxious as Microsoft’s apparently are. 

chasm said:

mikethemartian said:

Forget OpenAI, Google, Nvidia, etc. Apple will have full emoji AI supremacy.

More importantly, most of Apple's efforts in "AI" seem to be focused on enhancing functions and apps users already rely on, and make them perform better.

tht said:

danvm said:

tht said:

danvm said:

tht said:

It's frustrating when the question is when the Mac will get a touchscreen, or when the iPad can run macOS. I'd prefer to ask when iPadOS will get better multitasking, a better audio subsystem, a Terminal app, a VM app, a better filesystem app, a better virtual keyboard, a virtual trackpad, better text selection, etc. So, a touch first OS with more functionality.

The enhancements you mentioned would require Apple to integrate many features from macOS into iPadOS. However, I'm not certain they will do so, given their intention to maintain distinct environments. If this remains true, then iPadOS may always have more limitations compared to macOS.

Those features are not unique macOS. They are just your average set of operating system features since the 1990s. All the stuff is actually inside the kernel and userland since the beginning. It's just been limited by design policy. Everything below the API level is just about 99% the same code, with the aforementioned design policies. IOW, macOS, iOS, iPadOS, tvOS, watchOS, visionOS, all have the same operating system underpinnings: DarwinOS or Xnu, a Mach microkernel with BSD userland, capable of unlimited multitasking.

Is it as simple as just changing the value or values to implement the design policies? Probably not, but it isn't going to be something super complicated either. Unlimited background tasking is the easiest as that is just a timer right now I think. A VM app is a matter of putting the hypervisor framework back in and making it shippable. It was in betas I think a while back. The hardest part is probably making amfile, audio and video subsystem that can securely move through the sandboxes.

I agree with you.  My point is that, even though iPadOS and macOS are similar (maybe the same) under the hood, Apple want to keep iPadOS and macOS for different devices.  The problem Apple will have is how long they can keep iPadOS limited compared to macOS.  I think we are reaching peak iPadOS, and at some point, they just will have to add macOS elements, like full multitasking, multiples user profiles and even Finder to improve it. 

As today, the iPad Pro is the best tablet in the market but is a bad notebook, considering its limitations compared to macOS.  Apple just made the iPad Pro the device they criticized many years ago, the "toaster / fridge" device.  

Arguably, an iPad can be configured to be a fine notebook. My daughter used a 2020 iPP11 with MK and Pencil the last four years, and she loves it. She uses it for the entire gamut: handwritten notes (it's impressive), drawings, a video and messaging system (Slide Over all the time), and makes videos with it. Feels naked without it.

I would reframe the criticisms of iPadOS as a "what it means to be a good user experience" question. Apple's design choices for iPadOS are making for poor user experience on the high end of the product line. Things like app termination or memory evictions, the limited multitasking, and the lack of apps and app features make for poor user experiences. The freeze drying of apps isn't implemented well in all the apps, causing an app having to start in a brand new state instead of where the user left it is not a good user experience. Not having full background tasking is also a poor user experience as you can't leave an app running to do whatever it needs to do.

Not having equivalently featured apps make it a more unpleasant experience. MS Office on iPads has to be featured enough that you can intermix files between Windows, macOS and iPadOS. Not really there yet. At least you can blame MS there. Even Apple doesn't put a macOS feature equivalent Safari on iPadOS (this might be a Safari on iPP10.5 issue?). Sometimes there is a weird incompatibility from websites on iPadOS Safari. iWork apps also have differences in features between macOS and iPadOS. There's always a frustrating missing feature.

Apple can improve iPadOS if they wanted to. visionOS is based off iPadOS, and it's an unlimited tasking system. It does need Terminal.app just like iPadOS needs it. I digress. Apple can use visionOS' realtime frameworks on iOS to guarantee UI responsiveness. This can enable unlimited background tasking. They can limit background apps to only using the e-cores. They can control what apps are allowed to use the p-cores while in the background. They can improve iPadOS's windowing UI.

They really have to endeavor to do it all. Set up the system so that novice and proficient users can use it well.

davidw said:

paisleydisco said:

macxpress said:

People still use Spotify? 

Yes. All the Spotify BS aside, their algorithm is superior to Apple Music. It just is. The recommendations, the playlists are just way better than anything Apple is doing with Music. 

It's "superior" because Spotify collects way more data about their users than Apple. The ads in Spotify free ad-supported tier are targeted to the listeners, based on the data Spotify mined from their listeners. That data is also used when recommending songs for listeners. But because Apple do not sell targeted ads to its Apple Music subscribers, they have no need to mine as much data from them. Thus less data points from which to use when coming up with recommended music for their listeners.

https://www.wired.com/story/spotify-tracking-how-to-stop-it/

>It's this behavioral data that helps Spotify go big on personalization. Its privacy policy says it can use your data for personalization, troubleshooting, developing new features and technology, marketing and advertising, research, and for other legal reasons. Many of these personalization features are likely to involve systems that recommend new music and playlists to you.<

danox said:

jdw said:

All this TALK about AI, but so little to show for it. Yeah, I know about the coming announcement, but I'm honestly not holding my breath.

All said, I want SIRI to stop being an idiot.  Only moments ago, I invoked Siri on my 16" M1 Max MBP and asked it to open TouchID so I could add a new fingerprint, and foolish Siri responded back with "I can't do that."  What a complete idiot.  Siri is utterly worthless. If this AI talk makes Siri do even the most basic tasks FINALLY, then maybe it will be worth it.  But to this very day, all that tech Apple has poured into Siri hasn't resulted in something usable for me.

All the talk of AI by most of the present computer companies is just that talk Microsoft, Google, Meta, Samsung, Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, and Nvidia have been talking the loudest and most can't execute any useful AI product because they don't control both the OS and the SOC/CPU design in house. Guess who does?

And just because Apple has those elements in house doesn't mean a new AI solution will be a instantaneous one, and that is why the useless hype over AI will die down in time (end of the year) and many of those companies, Wall Street, and the general public will move on while the real research moves forward at a steady slow pace.