danvm

danox said:

track_trk said:

danox said:

Mr_mime3000 said:

Xed said:

jacob_rad said:

Though I praise the ethical stand point that Apple has taken, doing so will ensure their loss. The data that these companies will provide will be infinitely smaller than the huge mountains of data that companies such as OpenAI and Google have.

Also, having to rely on third parties will only slow them down. There are claims that regulations will be passed which may hinder companies such as Google which is scraping the internet for data, I assure you nothing like that will happen in the states. Currently, the world is in a race and no country can afford to be behind, no government (barring EU, duh) is foolish enough to hinder this fledgling field.

Also, Apple is a hardware company unlike Google which is a true software company, they have more areas to integrate and monetise AI.

Google has more money than Apple?

Apple isn't a "true" software company is what respect? Because they also design HW?

Both of them don't have a big difference in revenue generated, I don't think money is a problem to either of them.

Isn't Apple more akin to Samsung which sells hardware, and makes software to go along with that? Whereas, Google focuses on software and also has divisions such as Google Deepmind which is the leader of AI research, also possessing the world's fastest quantum computer.

Apple executes on a far different level than Google, Apple in the last 25 years has been far more effective building profitable new ecosystems, however the huge loads of money spent by the Googles (me too) follies is far beyond Apple. Most of it was spent on bribes, kickbacks and short-term tech flops. 

Well, Apple is twice as old as Google as a starting point. Also, don't forget the bad phase Apple had to go through when it was almost going bankrupt.

I understand the love for Apple on an Apple site, but the creator of YouTube, Google maps, Google search, Gmail, Chrome, Google photos is more than the creator of a me too product.

Also, dare I say Google has played such a significant part in the creation/implementation of most modern web protocols to the point they are the reason the web exists in its current form. Their work in AI is also highly appreciated by the industry, most of which they have open-sourced.

I would personally not insult Apple because I respect them, but they aren't exactly the shining bastion of morality, as we have been finding out in recent times.

Aside from search everything Google does is me too and unusually they do it badly with short term focus.....The same applies to Microsoft and Samsung since 2007.

StrangeDays said:

avon b7 said:

I think it's fair to say that Apple is behind in this area. 

Objectively, this year has been about ChatGPT style usage and Apple hasn't brought anything to market while others have. 

It is also recruiting for specific roles in AI. So far, most of the talk has been only that, talk. 

Talking about ML as they made a point of doing, is stating the obvious here. Who isn't using ML? 

In this case of LLMs on resource strapped devices, again, some manufacturers are already using them. 

A Pangu LLM underpins Huawei's Celia voice assistant on its latest phones. 

I believe Xiaomi is also using LLMs on some of its phones too (although I don't know in which areas). 

The notion of trying to do more with less is an industry constant. Research never stops in that area and in particular routers have been a persistent research target, being ridiculously low on spare memory and CPU power. I remember, many years ago, doing some external work for the Early Bird project and the entire goal was how to do efficient, real time detection of worm signatures on data streams without impacting the performance of the router. 

Now, AI is key to real-time detection of threats in network traffic and storage (ransomware in the case of storage, which is another resource strapped area). 

LLMs have to be run according to needs. In some cases there will be zero issues with carrying out tasks in the Cloud or at the Edge. In other cases/scenarios you might want them running more locally. Maybe even in your Earbuds (for voice recognition or Bone Voice ID purposes etc). 

Or in your TV or even better across multiple devices at the same time. Resource pooling. 

As usual, a terrible take. All we’ve seen are gimmicky chat bots just come out, which despite the hoorah are entirely pointless to me as a consumer. MS has limited search queries in its web product beta or whatever. I wouldn’t expect that to be immediately rolled out into production iOS in the last 6 mos. Get real. 

danox said:

palomine said:

What is Apple doing with AI these days?

Not wasting money on a empty Buzzword.

entropys said:

dewme said:

The black option is ok, but aren’t 90% of all Windows laptops and notebooks already black? Have been for decades. How are normal folk supposed to know that you’re using a Mac?

Easy answer. They’ll see that you’re using a laptop computer without being plugged into a wall power socket. Problem solved. 

Personally I still prefer silver with black keyboard. Maybe it’s due to PTSD from too many years of lugging ugly Dell Latitudes around while scouting for available wall sockets in airports to plug in a power supply the size of a brick. 

You mean like my Lenovo P series workstation that costs as much as an MBP? It is cheap plastic shit that is only in my possession for software reasons. But it is grey and black.

Xed said:

danvm said:

danox said:

igorsky said:

But, please, tell me more about everyone else’s insurmountable lead. 

No one has a insurmountable lead but in today’s climate you want to be a vertical computer company, software and hardware under one roof…

Being a vertical company haven't made Pages / Number / Keynote better than MS Office or Google Workspace.  Neither made iCloud a better service than Google or MS services, neither made Siri a better assistant, even though Apple was ahead of the competition.  Apple has done an excellent work with hardware, but software is a different story.  They have their hits with macOS and iOS, but at the same time have iCloud, Pages / Numbers / Keynote and Siri, that are behind the competition.  We'll to wait and see what they do with AI.

1) Are "iWork" apps suppose to be as advanced/convoluted as MS Office? I don't think that's Apple's goal. While I have Office for Mac installed and have to use Office at work, at home I use Pages and Numbers because they do the job I need them to do as a consumer. I use Numbers daily and Pages frequently. If I needed the complex option of Excel I'd use that, and likely on a WinPC because I don't think the Mac version has all the Windows features—but I don't, and most people don't. Apple's apps are a much better experience. Google's offerings gets the job done like "iWork" apps but it's clunky even after all these years.

2) iCloud is a great service for syncing "iDevices" and Macs. There are many features that OneDrive, Google Drive, and Dropbox don't begin to offer as comparable features. I use OneDrive/SharePoint daily at work and can't stand it but we're all MS services so I make it work. Google Drive is OK, but again not a great solution for Apple users. Dropbox is still my favorite for 3rd-party file sharing. If I have one complaint about iCloud it's that damn 5 GB free tier which is excessively paltry.

3) Apple hasn't done excellent work with software? You don't think their OSes are any good? You know that OSes are SW, right? Or their (practicely) seamless integration of services and features for Messages?

4) Object permanence involves understanding that items and people still exist even when you can't see or hear them. That also means that just because you aren't seeing Tim Cook go on the Today Show to talk about and demo their AI development doesn't mean they aren't nor haven't been working on it. Hardly anyone knew about ChatGPT until they launched a user-facing demo earlier this year, but that doesn't mean that ChatGPT didn't exist or that their efforts weren't worthwhile the day before you knew about it. And since Apple has a long history of not falling for "me too" and "me first" knee-jerk reactions by not even announcing a product or service, you should not assume that you're lack of knowledge on the interworking of a company means that they have nothing worthwhile.

1. "iWork" apps are very simple, and that could be good for a line of customers. But "simple" could mean "limited" for others.  At least you can use MS Office for simple task and for advanced tasks.  It also integrates to the MS 365 ecosystem, with is miles ahead of what Apple offers.  
2. I use OneDrive to sync my files with Windows and Macs, and at the moment works very nice, although. is not perfect.  iCloud could be a nice option for some customers.  But from what I have seen, people still prefer Google and MS storage services over what Apple offers.
3. Yes, I know operating systems are software.  That's the reason I said in my comment "They have their hits with macOS and iOS..."
4. I agree with you.  For that reason, I said in my comment "We'll have to wait and see what they do with AI."