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Microsoft entered negotiations to sell Bing to Apple in 2020
I still think defaults still important for Google, considering what they pay to Apple. If not, they would pay nothing to Apple and expect most customers to change to Google Search on their devices.davidw said:>Bing had been the default search engine on Apple products from 2013 to 2017, but Google took over from there. The revenue share deal with Apple eliminated Bing's ability to compete, even when Microsoft made drastic offers.<I don't know where they got that idea from. According to this ....Bing wasn't able to compete with Google even when they were the default search for Apple from 2013 to 2017.The way I look at it, the importance of the "default" position is now way over blown when it comes to market share. If the "default" was that as much of a factor with regards to gaining market share as some are saying, then MS Edge and Bing should have much more than low single digit market share because they are the defaults on about 70% of the World desktop computers.The fact that users can now easily change their "defaults", being the original installed default is no longer as meaningful as it was when MS IE was the default browser on Windows computers (in the mid 90's and early 2000's) and changing the default wasn't always that easy (thanks to MS).
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Apple won't make a Google search rival, says Cue
The difference is that Google Maps, Google Search and the iPhone change the market, and were far better than the competition. That didn't happen with Apple Maps, AirTags, Apple TV+, HomePod, Apple Arcade and Apple Music, so I can see them as "me-too".AppleZulu said:danvm said:
This doesn't changes the fact that Apple Maps is a me-too copy of Google Maps, which still miles ahead. And I know because I use both in a weekly basis.AppleZulu said:
I’d disagree that these are just “Me Too”danvm said:
Apple has some "me-too copies" too, and some of them still behind the competiion. For example,darelrex said:I think Apple wants to enter a market when it can make a markedly better product that what's already out there. For example, compare the original 2007 iPhone to the other smartphones that existed at that time; the difference is huge. On the other hand, after Eero debuted (a big improvement in WiFi routers), Apple looked at its own router lineup and said, why are we even in this market? Then Apple left that market.Cue is being honest: Apple doesn't want to make a me-too copy of Google search. Me-too copies are the historical province of Microsoft, and more recently of Google (e.g. Pixel). Apple doesn't see any value in that.
Apple Maps / Google Maps
HomePod / Sonos Era
AirTag / Tile
Apple TV+ / Netflix
Apple Arcade / MS GamePass
Apple Music / Spotify
I don't see issues in Apple developing a search engine, even if it is a "me-too copy".
Apple Maps / Google Maps
- Apple isn’t using maps to mine and sell user data, which is kind of important. Also, they created it when they realized just how much ”location services” would become a core OS function. Maps is just the user-facing part of a much deeper program.
HomePod sounds very good compared to other smart speakers. But again, we could say this is a me-too product, since the Sonos have been doing the same years before Apple. The only advantage I see in the HomePod is the integration with other Apple products and services. But I suppose we cannot blame Sonos for the lack of integration with the Apple ecosystem.HomePod / Sonos Era
Haven’t heard the Sonos device so can’t compare, but HomePod is brilliant audio. Also, like maps, HomePod is the tip of a bigger functional iceberg. It’s needed for HomeKit functionality. See above for context on HomeKit’s approach to user privacy.
AirTag could be a better Tile, but that doesn't change the fact that Apple copied another product.AirTag / Tile
AirTag has a vastly larger back end to support it, and thus superior functionality. See above for more on location services as a core function, as well as approaches to user privacy. That brings us to AirTag’s innovations in breaking the tracker’s utility for stalking. Tile skipped that part until Apple brought it up, then tried to copy it, then undermined those protections with a disingenuous “honor system” that allows tile users to stalk anyway.
Apple TV+ / Netflix
Not the same thing. AppleTV+ isn’t a back catalog archive like Netflix. New content is brilliant. Try watching Ted Lasso.
Apple Music / Spotify
Apple Music has always been subscription-based and ad-free. They pay musicians more. They changed the paradigm with lossless and spatial audio by offering them not as an expensive premium, but as an included feature for all subscribers, and it works on the hardware millions already have. Before that, multi-channel audio was a niche thing that -all the way back to quad records in the early 1970s- could never achieve critical mass to become mainstream. Now, thanks to Apple, lots of new music and back-catalog remixes are coming out in Dolby Atmos every week. That’s not a me-too thing. That’s 100% because of Apple.
Netflix have a lot of new content, and isn't just a back catalog, as you said. And while Apple Music have better sound quality, Spotify has a better app / interface, among other things. And I speak as an Apple Music subscriber. I went with Apple just for the sound quality. A part from that, Spotify is better. At the end, both can be considered me-too services.But then, isn’t Google maps just a me-too of Mapquest, and heck, isn’t Google search just a me-too of Yahoo search?By this standard, the iPhone is a “me too” product. It wasn’t the first cell phone or even the first ‘smart’ phone. But then, by this standard, you’ve entirely missed what it is that Apple actually does.
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Apple won't make a Google search rival, says Cue
This doesn't changes the fact that Apple Maps is a me-too copy of Google Maps, which still miles ahead. And I know because I use both in a weekly basis.AppleZulu said:
I’d disagree that these are just “Me Too”danvm said:
Apple has some "me-too copies" too, and some of them still behind the competiion. For example,darelrex said:I think Apple wants to enter a market when it can make a markedly better product that what's already out there. For example, compare the original 2007 iPhone to the other smartphones that existed at that time; the difference is huge. On the other hand, after Eero debuted (a big improvement in WiFi routers), Apple looked at its own router lineup and said, why are we even in this market? Then Apple left that market.Cue is being honest: Apple doesn't want to make a me-too copy of Google search. Me-too copies are the historical province of Microsoft, and more recently of Google (e.g. Pixel). Apple doesn't see any value in that.
Apple Maps / Google Maps
HomePod / Sonos Era
AirTag / Tile
Apple TV+ / Netflix
Apple Arcade / MS GamePass
Apple Music / Spotify
I don't see issues in Apple developing a search engine, even if it is a "me-too copy".
Apple Maps / Google Maps
- Apple isn’t using maps to mine and sell user data, which is kind of important. Also, they created it when they realized just how much ”location services” would become a core OS function. Maps is just the user-facing part of a much deeper program.
HomePod sounds very good compared to other smart speakers. But again, we could say this is a me-too product, since the Sonos have been doing the same years before Apple. The only advantage I see in the HomePod is the integration with other Apple products and services. But I suppose we cannot blame Sonos for the lack of integration with the Apple ecosystem.HomePod / Sonos Era
Haven’t heard the Sonos device so can’t compare, but HomePod is brilliant audio. Also, like maps, HomePod is the tip of a bigger functional iceberg. It’s needed for HomeKit functionality. See above for context on HomeKit’s approach to user privacy.
AirTag could be a better Tile, but that doesn't change the fact that Apple copied another product.AirTag / Tile
AirTag has a vastly larger back end to support it, and thus superior functionality. See above for more on location services as a core function, as well as approaches to user privacy. That brings us to AirTag’s innovations in breaking the tracker’s utility for stalking. Tile skipped that part until Apple brought it up, then tried to copy it, then undermined those protections with a disingenuous “honor system” that allows tile users to stalk anyway.
Apple TV+ / Netflix
Not the same thing. AppleTV+ isn’t a back catalog archive like Netflix. New content is brilliant. Try watching Ted Lasso.
Apple Music / Spotify
Apple Music has always been subscription-based and ad-free. They pay musicians more. They changed the paradigm with lossless and spatial audio by offering them not as an expensive premium, but as an included feature for all subscribers, and it works on the hardware millions already have. Before that, multi-channel audio was a niche thing that -all the way back to quad records in the early 1970s- could never achieve critical mass to become mainstream. Now, thanks to Apple, lots of new music and back-catalog remixes are coming out in Dolby Atmos every week. That’s not a me-too thing. That’s 100% because of Apple.
Netflix have a lot of new content, and isn't just a back catalog, as you said. And while Apple Music have better sound quality, Spotify has a better app / interface, among other things. And I speak as an Apple Music subscriber. I went with Apple just for the sound quality. A part from that, Spotify is better. At the end, both can be considered me-too services.
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Apple won't make a Google search rival, says Cue
Apple has some "me-too copies" too, and some of them still behind the competiion. For example,darelrex said:I think Apple wants to enter a market when it can make a markedly better product that what's already out there. For example, compare the original 2007 iPhone to the other smartphones that existed at that time; the difference is huge. On the other hand, after Eero debuted (a big improvement in WiFi routers), Apple looked at its own router lineup and said, why are we even in this market? Then Apple left that market.Cue is being honest: Apple doesn't want to make a me-too copy of Google search. Me-too copies are the historical province of Microsoft, and more recently of Google (e.g. Pixel). Apple doesn't see any value in that.
Apple Maps / Google Maps
HomePod / Sonos Era
AirTag / Tile
Apple TV+ / Netflix
Apple Arcade / MS GamePass
Apple Music / Spotify
I don't see issues in Apple developing a search engine, even if it is a "me-too copy".
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New study finds Mac most secure & cost competitive in enterprise workplaces
IMO, MS Office was the piece of the puzzle that made MS what it is today in business and enterprises. Without it, Windows would not have succeeded by itself. MS Exchange also played a huge role in this.tht said:Yup, I lived through the 90s OS war and Mac purge at my company too.Probably a few converging things:
1. MS Office won the office app war by the early 90s. Windows 3.x won the GUI on top of DOS war before that.2. They plied that into winning the OS war. OS/2 could only support Win16/Win32c APIs whatever it was. Modern Office? Slow emulation I think. Luckily Macs had Office. Nothing else had Office.
3. IT departments literally required MS Office, IT departments standardized on PCs because they were “cheap”. Thus the purge began.One of the big reasons Apple survived was they got MS to commit to delivering Office for Mac. If not for that, I don’t think iPods would have rescued them.
