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jurassic said:

Microsoft's products are only "innovative" on the surface (pun intended). They are products that try to be different, but without any consideration to whether that difference is warranted or even useful. Microsoft's computer products look "interesting" at first glance, but they pale in productivity and usefulness compared to personal computers from Apple and other manufacturers (especially when you compare products in the same price range or lower). 

Toss in the added disadvantages of Microsoft's piss-poor product reliability and support, and it explains why sales of Microsoft's Surface computers have been so anemic.

christopher126 said:

Google is evil! If we didn’t have a bought and paid for Congress, the Google and Facebook ilk would have to pay for customer’s data! What a con job

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ElCapitan said:

>However, Apple hasn't been actively pushing Macs at Windows users lately. Actually Apple hasn't been actively pushing Macs at a rather large group of existing Mac users either.
Mini, Mac Pro and to some extent MacBook Pro users have been neglected, pushed out in the cold for years. Add to them macOS Server users, and with the deprecation of OpenGL, an entire class of high end graphics and scientific users from whom the ability of running iOS apps is virtually irrelevant.

Yes.
The installed base of Mac users is ~150M. 
The installed base of iOS users is ~1,150M

The media narrative that Apple isn't updating Macs reflects the fact that both Mac Pro and Mac mini were shelved for rethinking. The systems that actually sell in quantity are updated as regularly as new Intel chips basically allow. Thing is, Intel chips aren't getting faster very fast. Apple introduced an entirely new iMac Pro, and MBPs are getting annual updates in tandem with new Intel microarchitectures.

The Mac Pro and the Mini haven't been shelved.  They still being sold, and I think that's the issue.  Intel have been offering processors that have been working in small PC's (even smaller than the Mac Mini) and workstations from HP, Dell and Lenovo for years.  Apple is the only one who haven't update their devices. 

The doting on MB keyboards is statistically inaccurate. Anyone who has managed fleets of PCs knows that even premium priced laptops fall apart under use and have parts failures. MBPs are pretty solid in comparison. Nobody cares enough about Lenovo or HP etc to turn minor part failures (or class actions of small groups of litigants) into a news story.

Lenovo and HP sell 2x - 3x more PCs/notebooks per quarter than Apple.  That's a lot of individuals and enterprises that care.  And while you said it's true about failures, what happen with Apple keyboards is different.  If something as simple as dust can make the keyboard to stop working, that's bad design from Apple. 

Compare that to Lenovo and Dell.  As part of their MIL-SPEC standards, they test their notebooks under different environments, including dust for 6-hours cycles, among other tests.

https://cloud.kapostcontent.net/pub/73652f37-9833-481d-a8f6-ff87f2c8ecdc/asset-thinkpad-mil-spec-flyer.pdf?kui=u-JVy1apR1lr6KEYmNyVHw

https://www3.lenovo.com/hk/en/thisisthinkpad/innovation/thinkpad-mil-spec-tested-to-the-extreme/

http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/latit/en/Dell_Notebook_Durability_Test.pdf

Don't you think Apple could do better?

Development of the mini and Pro has clearly been "shelved for rethinking." But both of those models, in particular the mini, are not hot sellers at all. most Macs Apple sells are MB/MBP and iMac. Everything else is just holding out.

Lenovo and HP don't make any money, but they also have customers Apple can't just "win over" with cheaper or refreshed Mac hardware. Xserve is a clear and obvious example of that. Most Windows PC users are either looking for cheap hardware, support contracts, or rolling cheap hardware where every model has a different set of components every month and you have to have an IT department to keep them supported. Apple is not going to rush into a dying market to try to sell Macs to Windows users, which is the obvious truth in the article, not matter how much you want to imagine that Xserve/Mac mini is the way for Apple to expand. That's thinking 10 years behind.

They make money, and while it's not as much as a Apple, it's enough to make their notebooks good enough to pass Mil-SPEC 810G certification.  Maybe Apple should do better than what they are doing today, and I'm not talking about money/revenue. 

Second, I'm not talking about cheap hardware.  As an example, the NVidia GP100 GPU for the Z8 workstation cost is $7500 (That's more expensive than an iMac Pro), while a top spec Z8 can go up to $100K. Same as Thinkpads and Elitebooks, than can go as expensive or higher than MBP's. 

As for dust, keyboard etc, there's a strong element of bullshit, an overblown notion of what the scope of the issue is, and a total disregard for the fact that Apple can and does ship dust and liquid intrusion resistant hardware: Apple Watch and iPhone 7 onward. If there were a market willing to pay for the engineering of sealed Macs, Apple would be working on that. 

As it is, the Mac bloggaratti are bitchign about USB-C and "why don't we have SD Cards and USB-A holes" so trying to dignify your dust storm about a nonexistent keyboard crisis is really just excruciating.

As it is, the Mac bloggaratti are bitchign about USB-C and "why don't we have SD Cards and USB-A holes" so trying to dignify your dust storm about a nonexistent keyboard crisis is really just excruciating.

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ElCapitan said:

>However, Apple hasn't been actively pushing Macs at Windows users lately. Actually Apple hasn't been actively pushing Macs at a rather large group of existing Mac users either.
Mini, Mac Pro and to some extent MacBook Pro users have been neglected, pushed out in the cold for years. Add to them macOS Server users, and with the deprecation of OpenGL, an entire class of high end graphics and scientific users from whom the ability of running iOS apps is virtually irrelevant.

Yes.
The installed base of Mac users is ~150M. 
The installed base of iOS users is ~1,150M

The media narrative that Apple isn't updating Macs reflects the fact that both Mac Pro and Mac mini were shelved for rethinking. The systems that actually sell in quantity are updated as regularly as new Intel chips basically allow. Thing is, Intel chips aren't getting faster very fast. Apple introduced an entirely new iMac Pro, and MBPs are getting annual updates in tandem with new Intel microarchitectures.

The doting on MB keyboards is statistically inaccurate. Anyone who has managed fleets of PCs knows that even premium priced laptops fall apart under use and have parts failures. MBPs are pretty solid in comparison. Nobody cares enough about Lenovo or HP etc to turn minor part failures (or class actions of small groups of litigants) into a news story.

Lenovo and HP sell 2x - 3x more PCs/notebooks per quarter than Apple.  That's a lot of individuals and enterprises that care.  And while you said it's true about failures, what happen with Apple keyboards is different.  If something as simple as dust can make the keyboard to stop working, that's bad design from Apple. 

Compare that to Lenovo and Dell.  As part of their MIL-SPEC standards, they test their notebooks under different environments, including dust for 6-hours cycles, among other tests.

https://cloud.kapostcontent.net/pub/73652f37-9833-481d-a8f6-ff87f2c8ecdc/asset-thinkpad-mil-spec-flyer.pdf?kui=u-JVy1apR1lr6KEYmNyVHw

https://www3.lenovo.com/hk/en/thisisthinkpad/innovation/thinkpad-mil-spec-tested-to-the-extreme/

http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/latit/en/Dell_Notebook_Durability_Test.pdf

Don't you think Apple could do better?

rob53 said:

"Incredibly, across the next 18 years Microsoft has done nothing but dumb down Windows into its current form as the artless, budget-written Windows 10, which is as fun to use as a suppository." Best line in the article that states my feeling about Windows to the tee!

As for Apple not coming out with a new looking model car computer every year, so what. People complain about everything but when you look at what options Apple has with hardware, why grab at minute changes by Intel that don't really change much. I'm tired of people who think they absolutely require every single hardware upgrade. Yes, it's been awhile since the mini and Mac Pro have been updated or upgraded but is it really hurting you?

The current 8th gen Intel processors start with 4-core up to 6-cores, and are more energy efficient.  Don't you think that customers investing in current iMac's and MacBook and MacBook Pro should have the latest in the market, specially considering the cost of Apple devices?   BTW, do you consider "minute changes" what the Mac Mini and MacPro have compared to what Intel offers today?