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Microsoft Xcloud game streaming service coming to iPhone, iPad via Safari very soon
What you said maybe true with 3rd party games. MS / Xbox first party games and some 3rd party games (Outriders is an example) will be available from day one.foregoneconclusion said:It's mostly older releases from series like Doom, Fallout, Fable, Halo, Gears of War, Elder Scrolls, Yakuza etc. Don't expect much that's new for $14.99 a month. New = pay $60-$70 for a console game.
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Judge in Epic v. Apple trial presses Tim Cook on App Store model, competition
I suppose Apple have knockoffs too,Beats said:baconstang said:
Microsoft ashamed?applesauce007 said:I think Epic will eventually lose.
They cannot call Apple a monopoly nor anti-competitive in this case.
All they can do is build a better or cheaper product to compete against Apple. Good Luck with that.
Microsoft should be ashamed of itself for testifying against Apple in this case.
You're talking about the people that delivered Vista having shame?The company who makes knockoff everything Apple.
Surface Pro / iPad Pro
Tile / AirTag
Spotify / Apple Music
Netflix / Apple TV+
Sonos / HomePod
GamePass / Apple Arcade
Looks like nobody is perfect, including Apple.
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Apple's 'M2' processor enters mass production for MacBook Pro
I agree the most Apple customer are in the U.S. and make sense for them to have their stores here. Still, my point is that there are cases were a device that's easy to service, as ThinkPad can be positive for consumers (even though ThinkPad is not a consumer brand). For example the MBP 2017 have the keyboard glued to the keyboard.crowley said:
The majority of Apple's customers will be fairly local to an Apple Store though. I'm not saying they don't care at all about customers in other places, but let's just say there's an element of proportionality at play.danvm said:
I know that there are Apple stores around the world, but that doesn't means everyone has easy access to them. For example, Brazil only have two stores, Mexico only one, same as South Korea. My point is that a device that's easy to service benefits business, but also consumers. For example, if by accident I spill liquid in my MBP keyboard and live in country without an Apple Store, it will be an issue, since they are difficult to service. Compare that to a ThinkPad, and you can see the difference. Lenovo even has the service manual in the website so the user / technician can service the device. Personally I don't see how this can be bad or negative for consumers.crowley said:
Apple Stores are not so uncommon outside of the USA, the main cities of the majority of developed counties have them, and most major cities in Australia, Canada and Western Europe. If you're unlucky enough to be a way from one of them then you'll have to rely on third party or mail in repair I guess, which will vary by location. Authorised third party repair shops should have access to most of the same parts as Apple, though will probably need to order in so may take longer.danvm said:
The X1 Nano battery size is similar to the one in the MBA. So any battery benefit the MBA has is because of the M1 chip. BTW, what does battery life has to do with this?tmay said:
Lenovo created a thin and light device by compromising battery life. The marketing value of ease of serviceability to the consumer is minimal if their device has a high level of reliability to begin with. It may be an advantage for Lenovo, but Apple has retail stores that do a modest level of service and are within a short drive by the bulk of the U.S. population.danvm said:
Do you have proof that the X1 Nano is a less reliable device? Most ThinkPads, including the X1 Nano, pass many durability tests. And based on what I have seen from my customer ThinkPad, they have many advantages over my MBP, from a design and construction POV.tmay said:
I am of the belief that consumers want the most reliable devices, vs ease of service, so consumers have a purchase choice, same as it ever was. For the record, the X1 Nano traded battery life for lightweight and serviceability, and given that Apple has better battery life, plus better performance based on its M1 silicon, I'm not in agreement with your argument.danvm said:
Did you read my post? It wasn't about upgradeability at all. I pointed out the the X1 Nano showed that you don't need to glue or sold everything for a think / light device. Second, I think that consumers could benefit from a device that's easy to service. For example, if the logic board needs to be replaced, the user won't lose data since the SSD can be swapped to the new logic board. Or after 3-4 years, the battery can be replaced extending the life of the notebook. Is that really bad for consumers?canukstorm said:
Like I said in my previous post, if that's a design that works for you then more power to you. The vast majority of average consumers using their device for home use is not goint to go through the trouble of opening up their laptop, upgrade the SSD & reinstall the OS. They want to buy it and forget it.danvm said:
Maybe you don't need to copy Apple to make devices thinner and lighter. For example, the ThinkPad X1 Nano is a 2 pound notebook, smaller and lighter than any current Apple notebook, and it has a replaceable SSD and battery, among other parts.canukstorm said:
"For them, in a laptop, soldered & glued together that was non-upgradeable offers no benefit"GeorgeBMac said:
Perhaps the question is: Who benefited? i don't think it was the customer. For them, in a laptop, soldered & glued together that was non-upgradeable offers no benefit. Can it be made a half millimeter thinner by eliminating a socket? Perhaps. But, even if true, that is a pretty marginal benefit.sdw2001 said:
...Wgkrueger said:
If it needed to be upgraded immediately then it can be returned to Apple. If his needs exceeded the capabilities of a maxed out machine then he couldn’t upgrade it anyway (thinking memory here) and he could return it to Apple. If he used it for a period of time and his use cases changed so they exceeded the machines capabilities, which I think was part of your original point, then it’s a case of longevity.GeorgeBMac said:seanj said:
Only a tiny percentage of people tinker with the computers, it’s a niche market that’s similar to those that add nitrous oxide to their cars...GeorgeBMac said:For all those defending the "Everything Glued together & soldered together" assembly of the MacBooks by saying "Nobody ever upgraded a computer", Andrew just called bull!His biggest (only?) complaint about his M1 MacBook Air is that it can't meet his needs because it is frozen in time with what it came with when he bought it -- versus his MacPro which grew and developed with enhancements as his needs, wants and requirements grew.Likewise, my 9 year old i7 Thinkpad runs perfectly well and meets all of my needs -- because it's been upgraded to a 500Gb SSD, 16Gb Ram and an internal harddrive used for ongoing, real time backups. Without those cheap and very simple to install (5 minutes or less) upgrades the machine would have been scrap
Most people just want a computer they can do things with, rather than do things to, in other words a consumer product. With Apple they get that, which is why customer satisfaction is so high.
If you have a 9 year old Thinkpad then you’re probably either running XP (good luck browsing the Internet securely) or you’re running Linux. If it’s the latter then if you happy with a limited number of professional applications then that’s fine.I forgot to mention that its running WIndows 10. So, its security is a good as good as any Windows machine. Admittedly that's a low bar.But the point of the post was NOT about lengetivity but to reiterate what Andew said: His MacPro remained functional because it could be upgraded with additional RAM & Storage -- while his MacBook AIr could not meet his needs because it was all glued and soldered together and locked into its initial configuration when he bought it.
The point? Apple clearly looked at what its customers were actually doing, and found the benefits of hardwiring and gluing everything outweighed the negatives. While I can see the other side, I agree. I've had Macs since the Pismo PowerBook G3 (2000). The number of issues I had with those machines (getting a new one every 3-4 years) was far, far higher than now. The products are not as serviceable or upgradable. But they also don't need to be.
It offers a laptop that is lighter due it being thinner. That may not be a benefit to you but it is benefit to many consumers. So much so that Windows makers have started copying the MBA design in spades. It isn't a surprise that ultrabooks like the MBA are the hottest selling segment of the laptop market. And now with the M1 MBA, you get a laptop that's light, fast and runs cool & quiet.
The average consumer does not care about the same things that you or other IT folk care about. What they care about are devices that are convenient, easy to use, fast, quiet, cool and have access to web and their favorite apps. Sure, there are some consumers who care about upgradeability but they're far from the majority. This is the mass market. And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against computers that are upgradeable but if that's what YOU are after then you should buy a device that allows you to do that.
X1 Nano Gen 1 Hardware Maintenance Manual (lenovo.com)
And this not only benefits someone who later needs a larger SSD drive, but also makes possible to service the device onsite without special tools. That could be a better design compared to Apple notebooks, where you have to send it via mail or take it to an Apple Store for service.
One would think that the market will actually decide this, not any of our arguments, but here we are, arguing to little effect, one way or another.
Lenovo ThinkPad | Military-tested Rugged Laptops | Lenovo US
Second, I agree that the M1 is a better compared to the Intel processor the X1 Nano have. But that wasn't my point. What I'm saying is that Lenovo showed that it's possible to create a thin and light device, while keeping the device easy to service.
Which service paradigm is more valuable to the consumer?
That's the question.
Also, from your post I could understand that consumers benefit outside the U.S. would be better with a non Apple device, since they have no easy access to an Apple Store for service, is that right? So we could say that there is value for consumers outside of the U.S. for a device that's easy to service, right?
https://www.thebalancesmb.com/apple-retail-stores-global-locations-2892925
And try not to spill liquid on your keyboard. Even if you have a Lenovo you very much will not enjoy the experience.
Apple Engineers Its Own Downfall With the Macbook Pro Keyboard - iFixit
Do you really think it's a good idea? Clearly not, specially with the issues we saw in the past years with keyboards and how expensive it's to replace. Compare that to what the X1 Nano service manual show, where you can replace the keyboard and battery separately.
And maybe you don't know, but ThinkPads have spill resistant keyboards, including the X1 Nano.
Even if the keyboard or trackpad fails because of the spill, you can easily replace them. -
Apple's 'M2' processor enters mass production for MacBook Pro
PC Mag tests had the X1 Nano at 18:37,tmay said:
LOL!GeorgeBMac said:tmay said:
Lenovo created a thin and light device by compromising battery life. The marketing value of ease of serviceability to the consumer is minimal if their device has a high level of reliability to begin with. It may be an advantage for Lenovo, but Apple has retail stores that do a modest level of service and are within a short drive by the bulk of the U.S. population.danvm said:
Do you have proof that the X1 Nano is a less reliable device? Most ThinkPads, including the X1 Nano, pass many durability tests. And based on what I have seen from my customer ThinkPad, they have many advantages over my MBP, from a design and construction POV.tmay said:
I am of the belief that consumers want the most reliable devices, vs ease of service, so consumers have a purchase choice, same as it ever was. For the record, the X1 Nano traded battery life for lightweight and serviceability, and given that Apple has better battery life, plus better performance based on its M1 silicon, I'm not in agreement with your argument.danvm said:
Did you read my post? It wasn't about upgradeability at all. I pointed out the the X1 Nano showed that you don't need to glue or sold everything for a think / light device. Second, I think that consumers could benefit from a device that's easy to service. For example, if the logic board needs to be replaced, the user won't lose data since the SSD can be swapped to the new logic board. Or after 3-4 years, the battery can be replaced extending the life of the notebook. Is that really bad for consumers?canukstorm said:
Like I said in my previous post, if that's a design that works for you then more power to you. The vast majority of average consumers using their device for home use is not goint to go through the trouble of opening up their laptop, upgrade the SSD & reinstall the OS. They want to buy it and forget it.danvm said:
Maybe you don't need to copy Apple to make devices thinner and lighter. For example, the ThinkPad X1 Nano is a 2 pound notebook, smaller and lighter than any current Apple notebook, and it has a replaceable SSD and battery, among other parts.canukstorm said:
"For them, in a laptop, soldered & glued together that was non-upgradeable offers no benefit"GeorgeBMac said:
Perhaps the question is: Who benefited? i don't think it was the customer. For them, in a laptop, soldered & glued together that was non-upgradeable offers no benefit. Can it be made a half millimeter thinner by eliminating a socket? Perhaps. But, even if true, that is a pretty marginal benefit.sdw2001 said:
...Wgkrueger said:
If it needed to be upgraded immediately then it can be returned to Apple. If his needs exceeded the capabilities of a maxed out machine then he couldn’t upgrade it anyway (thinking memory here) and he could return it to Apple. If he used it for a period of time and his use cases changed so they exceeded the machines capabilities, which I think was part of your original point, then it’s a case of longevity.GeorgeBMac said:seanj said:
Only a tiny percentage of people tinker with the computers, it’s a niche market that’s similar to those that add nitrous oxide to their cars...GeorgeBMac said:For all those defending the "Everything Glued together & soldered together" assembly of the MacBooks by saying "Nobody ever upgraded a computer", Andrew just called bull!His biggest (only?) complaint about his M1 MacBook Air is that it can't meet his needs because it is frozen in time with what it came with when he bought it -- versus his MacPro which grew and developed with enhancements as his needs, wants and requirements grew.Likewise, my 9 year old i7 Thinkpad runs perfectly well and meets all of my needs -- because it's been upgraded to a 500Gb SSD, 16Gb Ram and an internal harddrive used for ongoing, real time backups. Without those cheap and very simple to install (5 minutes or less) upgrades the machine would have been scrap
Most people just want a computer they can do things with, rather than do things to, in other words a consumer product. With Apple they get that, which is why customer satisfaction is so high.
If you have a 9 year old Thinkpad then you’re probably either running XP (good luck browsing the Internet securely) or you’re running Linux. If it’s the latter then if you happy with a limited number of professional applications then that’s fine.I forgot to mention that its running WIndows 10. So, its security is a good as good as any Windows machine. Admittedly that's a low bar.But the point of the post was NOT about lengetivity but to reiterate what Andew said: His MacPro remained functional because it could be upgraded with additional RAM & Storage -- while his MacBook AIr could not meet his needs because it was all glued and soldered together and locked into its initial configuration when he bought it.
The point? Apple clearly looked at what its customers were actually doing, and found the benefits of hardwiring and gluing everything outweighed the negatives. While I can see the other side, I agree. I've had Macs since the Pismo PowerBook G3 (2000). The number of issues I had with those machines (getting a new one every 3-4 years) was far, far higher than now. The products are not as serviceable or upgradable. But they also don't need to be.
It offers a laptop that is lighter due it being thinner. That may not be a benefit to you but it is benefit to many consumers. So much so that Windows makers have started copying the MBA design in spades. It isn't a surprise that ultrabooks like the MBA are the hottest selling segment of the laptop market. And now with the M1 MBA, you get a laptop that's light, fast and runs cool & quiet.
The average consumer does not care about the same things that you or other IT folk care about. What they care about are devices that are convenient, easy to use, fast, quiet, cool and have access to web and their favorite apps. Sure, there are some consumers who care about upgradeability but they're far from the majority. This is the mass market. And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against computers that are upgradeable but if that's what YOU are after then you should buy a device that allows you to do that.
X1 Nano Gen 1 Hardware Maintenance Manual (lenovo.com)
And this not only benefits someone who later needs a larger SSD drive, but also makes possible to service the device onsite without special tools. That could be a better design compared to Apple notebooks, where you have to send it via mail or take it to an Apple Store for service.
One would think that the market will actually decide this, not any of our arguments, but here we are, arguing to little effect, one way or another.
Lenovo ThinkPad | Military-tested Rugged Laptops | Lenovo US
Second, I agree that the M1 is a better compared to the Intel processor the X1 Nano have. But that wasn't my point. What I'm saying is that Lenovo showed that it's possible to create a thin and light device, while keeping the device easy to service.
Which service paradigm is more valuable to the consumer?
That's the question.That's bullshit.1) The Thinkpad Nano runs 13 -18 hours. Any other false claims?2) Go take your MacBook to an Apple store and ask them to upgrade the SSD or Ram -- they'll tell you to buy a new one.
Show me the link where a reviewer got 13-18 hours in a real test. Most get 7 to 8 hours.
https://www.theverge.com/22335874/lenovo-thinkpad-x1-nano-laptop-windows-business-intel-review-price-specsGOOD STUFF
- Weighs less than two pounds
- 16:10 display
- Capable processor
- Windows Hello webcam with physical shutter
- Exceptional build quality
BAD STUFF
- Not many ports
- Unintuitive keyboard layout
- Touchpad is a bit small
- Battery life isn’t the best
- On the pricey side
Mac Book Air
https://www.tomsguide.com/reviews/macbook-air-2020-m1OUR VERDICT
The MacBook Air now has the speed and battery life to beat the best PCs.
FOR
- Remarkably fast performance
- Strong legacy app support
- Amazingly long battery life
- Comfy Magic Keyboard
- Improved webcam
AGAINST
- Still has thick bezels
- Light on ports
"The MacBook Air's performance — powered by the M1 processor and 16GB of RAM — is phenomenal. When I split its screen between 20 Chrome (Intel, not Universal) tabs and a 1080p YouTube video — plus Apple's Mail and Photos app, Pixelmator (again, an Intel app) and 1Password (Intel, again) in the background, I never saw anything close to a hiccup. Oh, and in the background, 20GB of 4K video was being AirDrop transferred, while everything stayed smooth and stable."
Upgradeability isn't of value to people looking for performance, long battery life, and very quiet operation.You need to move your thought processes into the 21st Century...
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Nano Review | PCMag
PC World had it at 14 hours,
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Nano review: Lenovo drops the mic with its light, fast, and long-lasting ThinkPad | PCWorld
LaptopMag and Ubergizmo had it at close to 12 hours,
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Nano Review | Ubergizmo
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Nano review | Laptop Mag
Gizmondo had 16 hours,
Lenovo ThinkPad X1 Nano Review: The Lightest Laptop Winner (gizmodo.com)
And I know that the MBA has better battery life / performance. But design wise, weight and construction, the X1 Nano is a better device. Maybe the perfect device would be a X1 Nano with an M1 chip. Too bad this will never exist.
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Apple's 'M2' processor enters mass production for MacBook Pro
The X1 Nano battery size is similar to the one in the MBA. So any battery benefit the MBA has is because of the M1 chip. BTW, what does battery life has to do with this?tmay said:
Lenovo created a thin and light device by compromising battery life. The marketing value of ease of serviceability to the consumer is minimal if their device has a high level of reliability to begin with. It may be an advantage for Lenovo, but Apple has retail stores that do a modest level of service and are within a short drive by the bulk of the U.S. population.danvm said:
Do you have proof that the X1 Nano is a less reliable device? Most ThinkPads, including the X1 Nano, pass many durability tests. And based on what I have seen from my customer ThinkPad, they have many advantages over my MBP, from a design and construction POV.tmay said:
I am of the belief that consumers want the most reliable devices, vs ease of service, so consumers have a purchase choice, same as it ever was. For the record, the X1 Nano traded battery life for lightweight and serviceability, and given that Apple has better battery life, plus better performance based on its M1 silicon, I'm not in agreement with your argument.danvm said:
Did you read my post? It wasn't about upgradeability at all. I pointed out the the X1 Nano showed that you don't need to glue or sold everything for a think / light device. Second, I think that consumers could benefit from a device that's easy to service. For example, if the logic board needs to be replaced, the user won't lose data since the SSD can be swapped to the new logic board. Or after 3-4 years, the battery can be replaced extending the life of the notebook. Is that really bad for consumers?canukstorm said:
Like I said in my previous post, if that's a design that works for you then more power to you. The vast majority of average consumers using their device for home use is not goint to go through the trouble of opening up their laptop, upgrade the SSD & reinstall the OS. They want to buy it and forget it.danvm said:
Maybe you don't need to copy Apple to make devices thinner and lighter. For example, the ThinkPad X1 Nano is a 2 pound notebook, smaller and lighter than any current Apple notebook, and it has a replaceable SSD and battery, among other parts.canukstorm said:
"For them, in a laptop, soldered & glued together that was non-upgradeable offers no benefit"GeorgeBMac said:
Perhaps the question is: Who benefited? i don't think it was the customer. For them, in a laptop, soldered & glued together that was non-upgradeable offers no benefit. Can it be made a half millimeter thinner by eliminating a socket? Perhaps. But, even if true, that is a pretty marginal benefit.sdw2001 said:
...Wgkrueger said:
If it needed to be upgraded immediately then it can be returned to Apple. If his needs exceeded the capabilities of a maxed out machine then he couldn’t upgrade it anyway (thinking memory here) and he could return it to Apple. If he used it for a period of time and his use cases changed so they exceeded the machines capabilities, which I think was part of your original point, then it’s a case of longevity.GeorgeBMac said:seanj said:
Only a tiny percentage of people tinker with the computers, it’s a niche market that’s similar to those that add nitrous oxide to their cars...GeorgeBMac said:For all those defending the "Everything Glued together & soldered together" assembly of the MacBooks by saying "Nobody ever upgraded a computer", Andrew just called bull!His biggest (only?) complaint about his M1 MacBook Air is that it can't meet his needs because it is frozen in time with what it came with when he bought it -- versus his MacPro which grew and developed with enhancements as his needs, wants and requirements grew.Likewise, my 9 year old i7 Thinkpad runs perfectly well and meets all of my needs -- because it's been upgraded to a 500Gb SSD, 16Gb Ram and an internal harddrive used for ongoing, real time backups. Without those cheap and very simple to install (5 minutes or less) upgrades the machine would have been scrap
Most people just want a computer they can do things with, rather than do things to, in other words a consumer product. With Apple they get that, which is why customer satisfaction is so high.
If you have a 9 year old Thinkpad then you’re probably either running XP (good luck browsing the Internet securely) or you’re running Linux. If it’s the latter then if you happy with a limited number of professional applications then that’s fine.I forgot to mention that its running WIndows 10. So, its security is a good as good as any Windows machine. Admittedly that's a low bar.But the point of the post was NOT about lengetivity but to reiterate what Andew said: His MacPro remained functional because it could be upgraded with additional RAM & Storage -- while his MacBook AIr could not meet his needs because it was all glued and soldered together and locked into its initial configuration when he bought it.
The point? Apple clearly looked at what its customers were actually doing, and found the benefits of hardwiring and gluing everything outweighed the negatives. While I can see the other side, I agree. I've had Macs since the Pismo PowerBook G3 (2000). The number of issues I had with those machines (getting a new one every 3-4 years) was far, far higher than now. The products are not as serviceable or upgradable. But they also don't need to be.
It offers a laptop that is lighter due it being thinner. That may not be a benefit to you but it is benefit to many consumers. So much so that Windows makers have started copying the MBA design in spades. It isn't a surprise that ultrabooks like the MBA are the hottest selling segment of the laptop market. And now with the M1 MBA, you get a laptop that's light, fast and runs cool & quiet.
The average consumer does not care about the same things that you or other IT folk care about. What they care about are devices that are convenient, easy to use, fast, quiet, cool and have access to web and their favorite apps. Sure, there are some consumers who care about upgradeability but they're far from the majority. This is the mass market. And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against computers that are upgradeable but if that's what YOU are after then you should buy a device that allows you to do that.
X1 Nano Gen 1 Hardware Maintenance Manual (lenovo.com)
And this not only benefits someone who later needs a larger SSD drive, but also makes possible to service the device onsite without special tools. That could be a better design compared to Apple notebooks, where you have to send it via mail or take it to an Apple Store for service.
One would think that the market will actually decide this, not any of our arguments, but here we are, arguing to little effect, one way or another.
Lenovo ThinkPad | Military-tested Rugged Laptops | Lenovo US
Second, I agree that the M1 is a better compared to the Intel processor the X1 Nano have. But that wasn't my point. What I'm saying is that Lenovo showed that it's possible to create a thin and light device, while keeping the device easy to service.
Which service paradigm is more valuable to the consumer?
That's the question.
Also, from your post I could understand that consumers benefit outside the U.S. would be better with a non Apple device, since they have no easy access to an Apple Store for service, is that right? So we could say that there is value for consumers outside of the U.S. for a device that's easy to service, right?
