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9secondkox2 said:

danox said:

9Secondkox2 said:

‘Note that a legal immigrant such a Jobs or Musk is completely different than illegal alien and / or foreign country.”

Steve Jobs like Barack Obama was born in the United States to a woman that was an American citizen, both had dads who were born overseas one Syrian one Kenyan, who were here in the United States, both going to college at the time. Steve Jobs birth mom decided to give her baby up however, she later on decided to keep Steve’s sister fathered by the same Syrian student Steve’s biological father she like Steve was an (American at birth), Barack‘s mom however, decided to keep her baby who was also an American at birth…. Steve Jobs and Barack have nothing in common with Elon at birth. Both were American citizens from day one neither were immigrants.

So.. then Nubus was even more wrong than I thought. Great post. Thanks.

harperium said:

Apple should build its products in the USA. This is no easy feat, as it requires an entire manufacturing ecosystem of makers and suppliers. But still. Apple has the money to make this happen and the patience to stick with it for the 2 decades it would require. Now that would be a legacy Tim Apple could be proud of.

Intel really screwed up. They missed mobile and then missed AI. Not sure how they get back to being pre-eminent.

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DAalseth said:

I wonder if Trump knows it won’t change. He made all sorts of really stupid promises to his supporters. These Executive Orders let him say he followed through, but like his promise in 2016 to ‘bring back coal’ none of them stand a chance in hell of happening. He knows that but he’s just going through the motions. It’s also good misdirection so people talk about this, while he and his crew are doing real damage behind the scenes. 

As a non-US citizen, how do Executive Orders work?  Are they not binding?  For example, the issue of birthright citizenship is a hot button topic which from my understanding is protected by the 14th Amendment.  Can an executive order just overturn that even though it's in the Constitution?

Nope. Many of Trump's executive orders were actually illegal. An executive order is kind of like a promissory note that conveys the intentions of the administration. They are binding for federal employees and offices, but can't go beyond that and can't violate the constitution. The orders can later be considered by Congress and the Supreme Court if they need further legislation to make them more official, or if they need to be blocked.

For example, his orders about birthright citizenship aren't allowed, period. He can't actually provide amnesty to ByteDance from a law that was passed. And he can't withdraw from the WHO like that. He's being sued already and there are a lot of people on both sides of the isle that are unhappy with the many of the executive orders and what they do. Congress will likely overturn several. We'll see.

You need to do some more research and look into what 'US jurisdiction' means. Might want to look up supreme court precedent while you're at it. You are welcome.

Also, that's a shame about the WHO, looks like Tedros is going to have to go back to embezzling funds from the Ethiopian government again. Poor guy.

I don't think Wes is the one that needs to look up US jurisdiction. 

I would encourage you to look deeper into that issue. If someone sneaks into your house, does that mean you're obligated to make them part of your family and give them your resources? The 14th amendment was created to grant citizenship to former slaves during the Reconstruction. 

The text of the 14th Amendment is quite unambiguous,

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

It doesn't say anything about applying only to former slaves. There aren't any restrictions at all such as that their parents are citizens, or even in the country legally. It clearly and simply says, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States." There's no wiggle room there. The idea that The Constitution can be amended by executive order is a pill too bitter for even the corrupt right wing of SCOTUS to swallow. But, you know, maybe they'll go along, and then the next President (or, who knows, maybe even this one) can simply repeal the 2nd Amendment by executive order.

Trump's Eos can't get around the 14th Amendment. HOWEVER Trump and his cronies can work to get SCOTUS to repeal Amendments (and add new ones). Trump and his cronies can also do what they've already done, which is bully people who fear for their life, livelihood, and/or stock value into making decisions that are not good for the nation, as well and look the other way when states do something that's Federally illegal in a Red state (or when a Blue state needs assistance). Right now he's trying to get a bishop to apologize for asking everyone to be accepting of minorities... ya know, Jesusy shit.

SCOTUS can't repeal amendments or otherwise amend The Constitution because, you know, the process for that is laid out in The Constitution and doesn't involve SCOTUS. But, if the corrupt ring wing of SCOTUS wants to rule that an executive order that effectively amends the The Constitution is lawful, go right ahead, because target number 1 for the next Democratic president will be to issue an executive order that effectively repeals the 2nd Amendment and they'll have cleared the way.

Translation: End birthright citizenship via this avenue and we're coming for your guns, all of them.

You are correct. I did misspeak on how Amendment are added and removed. Thank you for the correction.