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Vaping apps getting removed from App Store amid health concerns
So stupid. What are they going to remove next? Food Network app because they feature recipes for high calorie foods? Car apps because cars are bad for the environment and can cause accidents/deaths? Stupid.
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Apple's new 16-inch MacBook Pro reveals its future direction
I guess I was specifically referring to the MBP with butterfly keyboard. People claim the issue with that laptop was Apple’s obsession with thinness. But wasn’t that laptop basically the same thickness as other laptops? I don’t remember it being radically thinner than other laptops on the market. I don’t think it can be proven that the issue with the butterfly keyboard (or its purpose) was in pursuit of radical thinness.MplsP said:
There wasn't a ton of difference between them. I think what really started it all was the original MacBook Air. That was a game changer in terms of size and design and subsequent updates only improved on it in terms of power, battery life, etc. Now the MBA wasn't a 'pro' machine- it had a lighter weight processor, lower resolution monitor, etc, but it was perfect for a large number of people. Beyond that, they managed to fit an excellent scissor keyboard in it.rogifan_new said:I don’t get this whole thinness at all costs argument. Wasn’t the previous MBP roughly the same thickness as other laptops?
The 16" MBP looks like a good machine. As I've posted on other threads, I think Apple's being rather pig-headed with the USB C ports, but unfortunately I'm stuck living with that or getting a PC, and for me I'd rather live with it, even if I don't like it.
The keyboard on my 2017 MBP has never truly failed, so it wouldn't be included in any statistics, but on a regular basis debris gets under the keys making them close to unusable. I've taken to sliding a piece of thick paper under the edge to dislodge whatever's stuck and so far have been lucky with that but it definitely compromises what is otherwise a good machine. We need to wait and see on the keyboard - hopefully it is more reliable and has a better feel. Even separating the keyboard so you can replace it without doing a complete overhaul would be nice.
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Apple's Phil Schiller discusses 16-inch MacBook Pro keyboard design versus Butterfly
Meh it’s not the first time Apple admitted they got something wrong. I think a lot of the Twitter/tech journalism chatter on this is wrong. They don’t have the backstory on the butterfly development process so they just revert to cliches like form over function (even though this laptop looks nearly identical to the one it’s replacing) or Apple’s obsession with thinness. This morning John Gruber tweeted that the buck stops with Jony Ive re: the butterfly keyboard. I’m not sure what he’s basing that on. Yes I’m sure the design team was involved with the laptop & keyboard design but so was hardware engineering and operations. And Phil Schiller was on stage announcing these things. I have a hard time believing Ive held a gun to everyone’s head and forced these keyboards out the door. Also one would assume it’s the product marketing department responsible for determining feature sets and gathering customer feedback. If the butterfly keyboard was that bad how come no one in product marketing told the design and engineering teams that it would never fly with pro customers?MplsP said:
That sure seems like corporate-speak for “the reliability sucked and people hated the keyboard!”AppleInsider said:"[The Butterfly keyboard] had some things it did really well," Schiller told CNET, "like creating a much more stable key platform. It felt more flat and firm under your finger - some people really like that, but other people weren't really happy with that."
"We got sort of a mixed reaction," he continued. "We had some quality issues we had to work on. “
It’s actually a pretty surprising statement/admission. It’s rare you even get that much from any company, let alone Apple. Good to know they got the message, though.
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Apple's new 16-inch MacBook Pro is built to blaze through pro workflows
It boggles the mind that people like Gruber think one person designs something and has total say over whether said design ships. These butterfly keyboards weren’t shipping if the entire company wasn’t bought in to the design and engineering. Phil Schiller is not going to get up on stage and announce a laptop he doesn’t believe in or knows to be faulty. Also note there seem to be far fewer issues with the 4th gen butterfly keyboard. At this point the complaints aren’t about reliability but personal preference.melgross said:
As everyone here should know, at least those who actually pay attention, Ivy will be designing for apple for years to come, as his new firm has a long term contract.Soli said:
Probably not. Besides these designs and builds taking a long time, Gruber also notes that "Ive is still listed on Apple’s leadership page as Chief Design Officer."javacowboy said:Is this the first major design output from Jony Ive Successor Jeff Williams?
the other thing is the ignorance about design some people here show. It’s as though they have no conception how it works, and the hundreds of people Apple has who design these products, other than Ivy’s design team. They’re called engineers, and they do most of the technical design work, not Ivy.
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Apple's new 16-inch MacBook Pro is built to blaze through pro workflows
You think this laptop was only designed in the last 6 months or so? Doesn’t Apple typically have products in the pipeline for several years before they’re released?javacowboy said:Is this the first major design output from Jony Ive Successor Jeff Williams?
