Soli

gatorguy said:

Soli said:

zoetmb said:

Of course they spent twice as much on the iPhone as on AppleTV+. The iPhone took in $142 billion this past fiscal.   At $60 per year, it would take 2.3 billion TV+ subscriptions to equal that revenue.   That's basically the number of households on the planet.   AppleTV+  revenue will NEVER equal iPhone revenue.   One could argue that they've already spent too much promoting AppleTV+ based on the potential revenue stream.  

If you remove all the free year subscriptions of TV+ for having bought a new Apple device that number drops, and since those are the most likely candidates for trying out a new streaming service from Apple they primary revenue falls off right at the front. However, since these are also people who are most likely to try the service there's no need to advertise to these people except to add a badge to let them know it's available.

Nielsen says there's about 120 million TV homes in the U.S.   If Apple got 20% of them, which would be huge, that's 24 million homes = $1.4 billion once everyone starts paying the full $60 per year.  AppleTV+ is not there to make a lot of money.   It's to keep people in the Apple eco-system.   IMO, the only thing it has going for it is that it's only $5 a month which might get over the usual objection of "I don't want another subscription bill every month". 

Maybe, but I have a feeling this will be available on non-Apple devices like other streaming services.

It is.

gatorguy said:

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bigtds said:

I'll stick with cash and credit cards.

ApplePay is more secure than a credit card and a hell of a lot more convenient.

I use Apple Pay wherever I can but I’ve never had an issue wit my credit card. 

In the 45+ years I've used credit cards I don't ever recall losing even a penny to fraud on one.

Now has my card provider? Most likely. My AMEX has been replaced at least three times I can recall due to some online compromised transaction (not ever from a brick and mortar at least yet) but even if the provider never saw a loss do you think their rates charged to you would be any less? Extremely doubtful. They might get a bit richer, maybe or maybe not even give bigger executive bonuses, but the savings won't be passed on to you.

 These "secure payment" systems aren't primarily designed to benefit the consumer AFAICT. Anything in that regard is simply a byproduct.

That's not accurate You can even look at buying and trading stocks to see that modern technology has benefited the consumer. First we had low cost trades that didn't require a physical broker to make, and now free trades are commonplace You can use any number of technologies as examples, but if using an *Pay system means that theft is reduced considerably, then companies will leverage that savings to help increase consumer interest to then increase company revenue and profits.

So have the CC providers lowered any of your rates because you use Apple Pay? You're saving them money so they should.

Companies will nearly always attempt to maximize profits, and only when nudged or prodded by competitors "pass some of the savings on to you". 

Yes! The Apple Card directly rewards users with additional cash back for using Apple Pay.

Then there will be benefits you’re not seeing like newer card offerings being more competitive with interest rates or offering additional services because loss from theft is decreasing, but chances are we’re not at a threshold to where that’s moving the needle enough to make a difference with all their transactions.

Every card I carry rewards me. For example Amazon Visa rewards me for using their card to shop on Amazon. It's not because the transaction is more secure if I use it.  Apple's card is not unique in that regard. 

And why do you think they do that? Your answer should be that they offer incentives to customers to use their cards which in turn benefits their bottom line, but that's oddly not what you believe since you stated, "They might get a bit richer, maybe or maybe not even give bigger executive bonuses, but the savings won't be passed on to you."

As shown, savings are passed onto consumers in a free market. If technology creates a larger amount to savings there is a void that will get filled by companies exploiting that reduced cost. Apple Card is simply the first to take advantage of it, but others will follow.

It's like when people complain about how much a MBP costs, yet even without accounting for inflation the cost was much higher in decades past for something much worse in every regard. I really can't believe that your defense is that technology doesn't benefit consumers when everything points to the contrary.

LOL... We're not discussing technology Soli, much as you might prefer to.

AppleExposed said:

Soli said:

AppleExposed said:

Does anything in airports run Windows? If so that's a huge security risk.

You name it and it probably runs Windows if it has a display attached for users or connects to a Windows product or service at some point.






Even a new and modern airport in Dubai will rely on MS...

• https://news.microsoft.com/en-xm/2018/10/15/dubai-airports-takes-to-the-microsoft-azure-cloud-as-its-digital-transformation-journey-continues/

Oh yeah..... let's hope there's a Mac roll out.

AppleExposed said:

Does anything in airports run Windows? If so that's a huge security risk.

• https://news.microsoft.com/en-xm/2018/10/15/dubai-airports-takes-to-the-microsoft-azure-cloud-as-its-digital-transformation-journey-continues/

MacPro said:

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MplsP said:

Still, the slowing in growth at the upper end is a concern. If the majority of people don’t need the power of the new chips for their uses, it’s going to be hard to push the development. Smartphones are experiencing a plateauing the same way desktops did. We’ll see how all this shakes out.

I'm one of those people. Not only did I typically buy the highest end iPhone with the largest capacity, I also bought one every year. Then I got a 128 GB iPhone 7 Plus and held onto it until last month.

I replaced it with a 64 GB iPhone 11; the cheapest new iPhone in the lowest capacity. While I like the device and Face ID is ridiculously face and seamless, I'm not overwhelmed by it like I was with other iPhones. My usage is still very MacBook Proheavy and I when I'm very mobile the Apple Watch is my go to device.

Interesting to read.  I was exactly like you, always getting the latest model every year then I stuck with the 7 Plus and still have it.  In fact, I lost my first one recently and bought a used 7 Plus (it's just like new) with far more storage after reading every review and feeling no need for a 10 or 11.  I'm just not convinced I need a new iPhone yet.  I don't use the iPhone for photography so that is probably one reason I am content I suppose.